Why does Donald Trump hold such power over the Republican Party?

[Sargonski]

Yes, you've certainly listed a bunch of lies that are demonstrably false.

I have no problem you accusing me of lying and crying out "Demonstrably False" ... so long as you state what this supposed lie is .. than prove it is false.

Nope. We've been over this.

Many vaccines in the past prevented transmission ... and it was prevention of transmission on which forced vaccination was justified. .. What are you saying Nope about ... pretending we have been over something on a subject where you are clearly confused ... running around making naked claims with no support.

 

[Revoltingest]

Yes, you've certainly listed a bunch of lies that are demonstrably false.

I observe that they use a different definition of "forced".
It's not that government arrives at your door with a
syringe & a court order. Instead it includes how I
run my business, eg, requiring that workers be vaccinated.
There are many other better jobs out there. No one is
forced to work for me. But apparently they want to deny
me the right to protect the health of my workers & customers.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I have no problem you accusing me of lying and crying out "Demonstrably False" ... so long as you state what this supposed lie is .. than prove it is false.

I've done so ad nauseum in the other thread about COVID. Perhaps you remember.

Many vaccines in the past prevented transmission ... and it was prevention of transmission on which forced vaccination was justified. .. What are you saying Nope about ... pretending we have been over something on a subject where you are clearly confused ... running around making naked claims with no support.

Some did, some didn't. Depends on the illness.
We've been over this umpteen times in that same thread. Remember when you took great umbrage when I pointed out that you don't seem to understand how vaccines work? I do.

The inactivated polio vaccine that Jonas Salk originally created didn't prevent transmission. What it did was minimize the onset of the most debilitating symptoms and triggered an antibody response.

"MMR vaccine is very effective at protecting people against measles, mumps, and rubella, and preventing the complications caused by these diseases. People who receive MMR vaccination according to the U.S. vaccination schedule are usually considered protected for life against measles and rubella. While MMR provides effective protection against mumps for most people, immunity against mumps may decrease over time and some people may no longer be protected against mumps later in life. An additional dose may be needed if you are at risk because of a mumps outbreak ...

...One dose of MMR vaccine is 93% effective against measles, 78% effective against mumps, and 97% effective against rubella.
Two doses of MMR vaccine are 97% effective against measles and 88% effective against mumps.

Measles, Mumps, and Rubella (MMR) Vaccination | CDC

What Everyone should know about the MMR vaccine. What is the MMRV vaccines? Who should and should not get these vaccines? How well do these vaccines work, and what are the possible side effects?

www.cdc.gov

"Diphtheria Control and Outbreak Response​

Although vaccination does not prevent colonization, we estimate it reduces transmission by 60% (95% CrI, 51%–68%), likely through reduced symptomatic shedding."

Clinical and Epidemiological Aspects of Diphtheria: A Systematic Review and Pooled Analysis - PMC

Diphtheria, once a major cause of childhood morbidity and mortality, all but disappeared following introduction of diphtheria vaccine. Recent outbreaks highlight the risk diphtheria poses when civil unrest interrupts vaccination and healthcare ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

"An increasing number of industrialized, polio-free countries are using IPV as the vaccine of choice. This is because the risk of paralytic polio associated with continued routine use of OPV is deemed greater than the risk of imported wild virus.

However, as IPV does not stop transmission of the virus, OPV is used wherever a polio outbreak needs to be contained, even in countries which rely exclusively on IPV for their routine immunization programme.
Once polio has been eradicated, use of all OPV will need to be stopped to prevent re-establishment of transmission due to VDPVs."

GPEI-IPV

polioeradication.org

 

[fantome profane]

everyone around us including myself has gotten covid .. some of the double vaxed super spreaders getting it twice .. she never got it .

You can debunk yourself

is about as ridiculously uninformed anecdotal commentary as it gets.

 

[Sargonski]

I've done so ad nauseum in the other thread about COVID. Perhaps you remember.

Some did, some didn't. Depends on the illness.
We've been over this umpteen times in that same thread. Remember when you took great umbrage when I pointed out that you don't seem to understand how vaccines work? I do.

The inactivated polio vaccine that Jonas Salk originally created didn't prevent transmission. What it did was minimize the onset of the most debilitating symptoms and triggered an antibody response.

"MMR vaccine is very effective at protecting people against measles, mumps, and rubella, and preventing the complications caused by these diseases. People who receive MMR vaccination according to the U.S. vaccination schedule are usually considered protected for life against measles and rubella. While MMR provides effective protection against mumps for most people, immunity against mumps may decrease over time and some people may no longer be protected against mumps later in life. An additional dose may be needed if you are at risk because of a mumps outbreak ...

...One dose of MMR vaccine is 93% effective against measles, 78% effective against mumps, and 97% effective against rubella.
Two doses of MMR vaccine are 97% effective against measles and 88% effective against mumps.

Measles, Mumps, and Rubella (MMR) Vaccination | CDC

What Everyone should know about the MMR vaccine. What is the MMRV vaccines? Who should and should not get these vaccines? How well do these vaccines work, and what are the possible side effects?

www.cdc.gov

"Diphtheria Control and Outbreak Response​

Although vaccination does not prevent colonization, we estimate it reduces transmission by 60% (95% CrI, 51%–68%), likely through reduced symptomatic shedding."

Clinical and Epidemiological Aspects of Diphtheria: A Systematic Review and Pooled Analysis - PMC

Diphtheria, once a major cause of childhood morbidity and mortality, all but disappeared following introduction of diphtheria vaccine. Recent outbreaks highlight the risk diphtheria poses when civil unrest interrupts vaccination and healthcare ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

"An increasing number of industrialized, polio-free countries are using IPV as the vaccine of choice. This is because the risk of paralytic polio associated with continued routine use of OPV is deemed greater than the risk of imported wild virus.

However, as IPV does not stop transmission of the virus, OPV is used wherever a polio outbreak needs to be contained, even in countries which rely exclusively on IPV for their routine immunization programme.
Once polio has been eradicated, use of all OPV will need to be stopped to prevent re-establishment of transmission due to VDPVs."

GPEI-IPV

polioeradication.org

What is this ridiculous posting of studies .. irrelevent to the discussin in general .. I have never stated that all vaccines prevent transmission .. but that some are better than others. .. so what were you claiming was wrong ? Running around waving a flag pretendint to be right about the overall discussion.. which is that the Biden-Fauci - Justina woke liberal clown show .... sold this vax to the public as one that prevents transmission .. this justification used to implement mandates which violated Essential Liberty.

Glad you agree that the transmission justifiction was a Lie -- as per your posted studies but, none of which establish you as having any kind of expertice in the subject matter as you proudly profess .. but have been found Scientifically wanting in the past.

The Vax does not prevent / significantly slow transmission .. as shown by the Massachusetts study given you previously

CDC: 74% Of People Infected in Massachusetts COVID-19 Outbreak Were Vaccinated​

What kind of efficiency is that Friend -- ridiculously bad.

Then there is the problem and the other lie ... the Sin of Omission .. that the risk of harm from mRNA vax is really high ..

​

 

[SkepticThinker]

What is this ridiculous posting of studies .. irrelevent to the discussin in general .. I have never stated that all vaccines prevent transmission .. but that some are better than others. .. so what were you claiming was wrong ? Running around waving a flag pretendint to be right about the overall discussion.. which is that the Biden-Fauci - Justina woke liberal clown show .... sold this vax to the public as one that prevents transmission .. this justification used to implement mandates which violated Essential Liberty.

Glad you agree that the transmission justifiction was a Lie -- as per your posted studies but, none of which establish you as having any kind of expertice in the subject matter as you proudly profess .. but have been found Scientifically wanting in the past.

The Vax does not prevent / significantly slow transmission .. as shown by the Massachusetts study given you previously

CDC: 74% Of People Infected in Massachusetts COVID-19 Outbreak Were Vaccinated​

What kind of efficiency is that Friend -- ridiculously bad.

Then there is the problem and the other lie ... the Sin of Omission .. that the risk of harm from mRNA vax is really high ..

​

You just continue to repeat yourself over and over again.
Have at it, Hoss. I'm not contributing any more of my time to repeat myself again and respond to the exact same wording I've already responded to more times than I can even count. The risk of harm from mRNA vaccine is not "really high" and nobody has ever demonstrated that. But you'll just keep on saying it over and over and over ....

You need a new shtick. Or you need to pull yourself up out of the YouTube rabbit hole you've fallen into. Keep deliberately misgendering people too, that really reveals a lot about you.

 

[metis]

The most recent promise, the Dems will not keep, is the Reparations, carrot on the stick, started in California. This is dangled to keep the Blacks towing the line. The Democrats know this is not practical; costs, nor rational, but they feel they can always blame the Republicans for refusing, and get a pass, virtue signalling; pretend they cared. It was always a scam; telling voters what they wanted to hear. It did build enthusiasm, but when the chickens came home to roost, the trap door opened. It is sad the blacks still fall for such promises, like an abused but caring wife, with an alcoholic husband.

Election time is coming and I bet the Democrats leaders will pull out the same promise list they used in 2020, but did not keep. Many Blacks will fall for it again, but fewer than last time. The Left may even politicize some police versus blacks violence, to get riots going, to appeal to young black and white liberals. The same and new generation of boneheads will get all excited, once again, pretending to care, while they wreck the house. It just a more violent mimic of 1970's nostalgia, that seems to work with Lefty youth.

Whether you like Trump or not, for personal or fake news and propaganda reasons, he did keep his promise even while under fire by the Democrat and Swamp opposition and propaganda team. He built the wall and made us energy independent. He tried to drain the Swamp but you can see how they reacted with revenge. He reduced regulations which combined with the tax cut, led to a very strong economy, especially for minorities and women.

Biden did the opposite; Democrat mirror world policies, which have led to inflation and Democrat sanctuary cities whining and complaining; trouble in paradise. If the Democrats had been for the middle class, they would not have stabbed the middle class in the back. The poverty level has gone up and inflation of basic essential like food and gas, has eaten away at Trump era gains.

Biden is starting to reverse these stupid positions, since the Radical Democrats were wrong, and if this is not reversed, back to the common sense of Trump, it could cause them the election. So now Biden is building the wall and making the border less porous. Dumb people need to follow smarter people. The illegal immigration they endorsed, is here and is now eating away at the resources and jobs than once benefited the inner city Blacks. This will be pointed out in the upcoming election. The Blacks were forgotten, again, in the Democrat grand scheme of things.

The worse of all is the way the Democrat party is treating Trump, via the dual injustice system revenge tour. It is similar to way the KKK and injustice wing of the Democrat Party used to treat successful Black businessmen. Trump is building empathy among the Blacks and Hispanics, since both are getting flash backs. The same Party is at it again. Everyone can also see the dual justice that Biden is getting in spite of influence peddling.

Now I read that Biden's house in Delaware, where he retreats, was bought with cash, about the time Hunter was in a prosperous business arrangement, lacking skills to do the job. Hunter had an ace in the hole. The Lefty news is not reporting this since they are a propaganda machine and not real news. But you all knew that.

Another dung dump.

 

[England my lionheart]

Good for you but, not for Blue who lose their marbles when it comes to the flue .. conducting a huge power grab .. violating "my body my choice" .. engaging in Nazi like tactics -- Forced medical Treatment concurrent with state sponsored propaganda effort .. lies and deception .. canceling history and the Truth .. because in totalitarianism everything becomes a lie.

Good on you for not drinking the Blue Kool-aid .. should Biden and Fauci and others, be doing time for their crime ? .. that is the question.

I’m not a fan of Biden,I don’t think he can be forgiven for the withdrawal from afghanistan,if he or the others you mention are guilty of a crime the evidence should be presented but so far none has.

The crime of Forced Medical Treatment on the basis of lies .. how much evidence did you need .. and how is it you are not aware of any of it? The Jab did not prevent transmission .. and likely came from the lab.. covid was not that dangerous to normal semi-healthy people ... the risk of harm from the Jab is extremely high ..as far as Jabs go .. way higher than risk of harm from Covid for normal person.

That is alot of lies .. and alot of others..

The jab versus Trump “can we do something with disinfectant “ meh I’ll take jab.

 

[Revoltingest]

I’m not a fan of Biden,I don’t think he can be forgiven for the withdrawal from afghanistan....

USA was accomplishing nothing in Afghanistan but
propping up a weak government that had little
support from the populace. The real crime was
continuing to bleed money & lives in failed pursuit
of nation building. Biden did the right thing by
ending it. Note also that no one predicted the
government would collapse immediately.

 

[Sargonski]

You just continue to repeat yourself over and over again.
Have at it, Hoss. I'm not contributing any more of my time to repeat myself again and respond to the exact same wording I've already responded to more times than I can even count. The risk of harm from mRNA vaccine is not "really high" and nobody has ever demonstrated that. But you'll just keep on saying it over and over and over ....

You need a new shtick. Or you need to pull yourself up out of the YouTube rabbit hole you've fallen into. Keep deliberately misgendering people too, that really reveals a lot about you.

Your claim that the high risk of harm has not been shown to you is falsehood. You were given the Pfizer Phase III Clinical Trial Data which showed a Risk of harm -- Risk of a Severe Adverse Reaction --- was 1 in 800 on average.

You want to claim this is not high .. go ahead .. but you have Zero support for this claim .. yet claim to be an expert. Explain why you claim this is a low risk of harm .. relative to the harm from Covid .. to a healthy 20 year old Male .. who's risk of harm is 1 in 300 SAR.

and explain how playing Russian Roulette with 1 in 300 chance of SAR -- .. everytime you pull the trigger so in 10 years 3 jabs a year the risk of an SAR is 1 in 10 .. is completely safe .. when there is nothing safe about gatting an SAR -- sometimes which results in Death.

 

[England my lionheart]

Forgiven?
It's the best thing he's done in office.
It's what Obama promised, & failed to do.
It's what Trump failed to do.

It sure was a fail.

 

[England my lionheart]

USA was accomplishing nothing in Afghanistan but
propping up a weak government that had little
support from the populace. The real crime was
continuing to bleed money & lives in failed pursuit
of nation building. Biden did the right thing by
ending it. Note also that no one predicted the
government would collapse immediately.

I think the withdrawal was right but not like that.

 

[Revoltingest]

It sure was a fail.

It was a success.
We're out of Afghanistan.

 

[Revoltingest]

I think the withdrawal was right but not like that.

Do you believe that if USA had stayed
longer, that the government could've
survived the Taliban? I don't.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Your claim that the high risk of harm has not been shown to you is falsehood. You were given the Pfizer Phase III Clinical Trial Data which showed a Risk of harm -- Risk of a Severe Adverse Reaction --- was 1 in 800 on average.

Addressed and refuted already.

You want to claim this is not high .. go ahead .. but you have Zero support for this claim .. yet claim to be an expert. Explain why you claim this is a low risk of harm .. relative to the harm from Covid .. to a healthy 20 year old Male .. who's risk of harm is 1 in 300 SAR.

No, you have zero support for your claim that it is high. I've never claimed to be an epidemiologist. I did, however show you that the risk of myocarditis is much higher in people who have COVID than in those who received the vaccine.

and explain how playing Russian Roulette with 1 in 300 chance of SAR -- .. everytime you pull the trigger so in 10 years 3 jabs a year the risk of an SAR is 1 in 10 .. is completely safe .. when there is nothing safe about gatting an SAR -- sometimes which results in Death.

Addressed and refuted already.

You've failed to make your case. Apparently, you think repeating yourself endlessly is going to make your case for you.
It isn't.

 

[England my lionheart]

Do you believe that if USA had stayed
longer, that the government could've
survived the Taliban? I don't.

No I don’t but to just say we’re out of here and leave those people who worked for the western allies and the equipment in a rush wasn’t good imo.

 

[Revoltingest]

No I don’t but to just say we’re out of here and leave those people who worked for the western allies and the equipment in a rush wasn’t good imo.

I checked news reports from prior to the exit.
There were no predictions that the government
would immediately fall.
But even so, money & lives were saved by a
quick exit, as opposed to staying there.

 

[Little Dragon]

Sorry LD .. Vaccines in the past were intended to -- and did prevent transmission.

You are mistaken. That is not how vaccines function. They are designed to help the immune system repel infection, and prevent serious illness and complications.

"Vaccines contain weakened or inactive parts of a particular organism (antigen) that triggers an immune response within the body. Newer vaccines contain the (mRNA) blueprint for producing antigens rather than the antigen itself"

How do vaccines work?

www.who.int

 

[Little Dragon]

"I have no idea" -- clearly if you did not realize that Jab or lose Job is not a free choice .. is force/coercion. Do you also believe that Jab or have sex with bos is a "Free Choice" ... and thus perfectly legal.

I don't know what you're talking about.

 

[Little Dragon]

My wife is unvaxed - everyone around us including myself has gotten covid .. some of the double vaxed super spreaders getting it twice .. she never got it .. which is the case for a whole lot of people .. just the way viruses work .. having ZERO to do with you being Jabbed ... which actually makes you more succeptible .. not less.

You are ranting nonsensically at me now. I find your attitude irritating.