logician
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The only evidence I am is that of a temporal consciousness.
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why does God exist?
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The only evidence I am is that of a temporal consciousness.
No. If consciousness were temporal, there would be no "I AM".
logician
Well-Known Member
How so?
idea
Question Everything
Why does matter exist? Why does energy exist? Why does any of it exist?
Thermo states conservation of mass / energy - you don't get something from nothing. Something has always existed - no beginning no end. The nature of what that "something" is - what is the nature of what has always existed... I think life has always existed - not just God, but but the spirits of all of us. There is no free will unless you are eternally existent, and I see others as having free will... robots and puppets are created - beings with free will are not created....
Why does any of it exist? I do not know - but we are very lucky that it does
Thermo states conservation of mass / energy - you don't get something from nothing. Something has always existed - no beginning no end. The nature of what that "something" is - what is the nature of what has always existed... I think life has always existed - not just God, but but the spirits of all of us. There is no free will unless you are eternally existent, and I see others as having free will... robots and puppets are created - beings with free will are not created....
Why does any of it exist? I do not know - but we are very lucky that it does
doppelganger
Through the Looking Glass
By the same process as outlined in #15.
logician
Well-Known Member
Why does matter exist? Why does energy exist? Why does any of it exist?
Thermo states conservation of mass / energy - you don't get something from nothing. Something has always existed - no beginning no end. The nature of what that "something" is - what is the nature of what has always existed... I think life has always existed - not just God, but but the spirits of all of us. There is no free will unless you are eternally existent, and I see others as having free will... robots and puppets are created - beings with free will are not created....
Why does any of it exist? I do not know - but we are very lucky that it does
Interesting, you think life existed before the big bang, i.e. before existence?
BucephalusBB
ABACABB
The only reason I can think of is purelly a start. We don't know the start, so we seem to need a guy with a pistol firing in the air screaming "Go!". For the rest this world seems to be here/made without the need for support.
These questions are getting a little tiresome. the question was made towards people who believe in God. You can expect that you can answer the question using your own God..
We cannot even show evidence of our consciousness.
logician
Well-Known Member
"I am" is always enough evidence for yourself.
If to be conscious is "I am", then yes. Some define it as more, inclusive of thought-free habits and things "there" but not in active awareness. Some even define it as the picture --that is to say, the things "I am aware of," rather than "me, aware." That is, again, to say they differentiate between awareness and consciousness.
We did a thread about it not too long ago.
idea
Question Everything
matter existed before the big bang, energy existed before the big bang - why not life too?
Intelligence, information, these are eternally existent. I see no problem with life being eternally existent. It seems a simpler solution than trying to get life from a rock…
If entropy is increasing – go back in time, and you increase in order… life is rather ordered is it not? Easier to get order from order than order from disorder… Perhaps before the big bang was a very ordered state, a state filled with life.
What is time anyways?
sandandfoam
Veteran Member
Big bang or not, nothing existed for me before my mind did. I see no problem with eternal existence either.
doppelganger
Through the Looking Glass
Though "eternal existence" like all information, requires a conceptual framework, too.
The inner phenomenology and psychology of both "God" and the "Big Bang" is (usually unwittingly) reversed when the symbols are projected into the realm of the perceived ontological/metaphysical.
logician
Well-Known Member
Actually, the latest multiverse theories say that matter and energy have always existed, which means life could have existed or exists in other universes. Of course, the implication here is that no creator god, or any god is needed in an infinite multiverse. Maybe some people WANT one.
Don Penguinoini
Modi.
God exists because we need him/her.
BucephalusBB
ABACABB
For what?
I imagine there are as many answers to that as people who need God. I also imagine you knew that.
Rolling_Stone
Well-Known Member
Why does existence exist?
idea
Question Everything
Depends on how you define God. I do not think God created us, but I think there is a variety of life forms, and see some as being more advanced than others... I think He will form and organize us into something better than we now are if we allow Him to - He will not go against our free agency and turn us into a machine though... To take away our free agency would be to take away our very life. Machines are not alive.
I think life is the ultimate glory of the universe - your work is a dead end project if it is centered on something that does not grow and change... Love, humility, selflessness - allows us to look beyond ourself to see the glory of life. I think that is the goal of God - to teach us the glorious nature of life - a hard thing to do without taking away our free agency.
19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and thieves break through and steal;
20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal.
21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
life is the treasure in heaven...
Halcyon
Lord of the Badgers
Just for you then, I'll make it my signature.
I think its a pertinent question, so I'll keep asking it - that is, until thread starters stop assuming that Abrahamic God = only concept of God and frame their questions to either a particular group or specify generality.