Why does god need to test us?

[Trailblazer]

Seems like you took a step forward. Very Good!!

When you can see and understand those petty things I mentioned for what they really are, It will all change.

If you ever realized that they are not petty and why they are not petty that would be a great step forward for you.
Unfortunately for you, I do not think that will ever happen because you are too mired in your beliefs.

 

[Bird123]

And you assume I don't do any work? Wake up and smell the coffee, work is all that I do.

I suggest you get busy then, but you will be busy for a long time, because you will never know the 'actions' of God.

Who decides what is petty, you or God? I do not value any petty things and neither does my religion. Judging and punishing when it is called for is in accordance with Justice, and Justice is not petty.

Who made you an expert about God? I am in no quicksand, God loves us regardless if what we do, but love does not mean letting the little kiddies get away with murder and expecting no consequences for their actions.
You live in a complete fantasy world of your own making. You imagine that there needs to be no Divine Justice but that is ludicrous, because everything in this life is based upon Justice, and there are rewards and punishments for everything do.

It has always been about god vs. evil.

That's what I see. It's very clear!![/Q




I am reading from you hurt feelings and a bruised Ego when I wanted from you was intelligence, wide thinking and math. When you lead with feelings, the thinking half goes into hiding. Ego gets in the way of so much learning.

I make no demands on you. If what I say bruises your Ego, perhaps a good course would be to figure out why?

I have placed real truth in your lap. What you do with that truth is entirely up to you. You can wander around valuing payback, revenge, thinking badly of people because you can't control them, blame others and the world for all the troubles you see, but where is it all going to get you? Wanting God to hurt others that have hurt one prevents one from moving forward as well.

Where is the plus in all these petty things? Where is the fix?? Where is the Higher Level? How can you ever expect a Heavenly state incorporating these hateful things?

WE are all children of God even those you Blame because the world doesn't conform to what you want it to be. I know there is so much you do not have a clue about, however the results of God's Masterpiece of this world, just as it is, will be far greater than any concept you insist on.

Patience for there is no time limit on learning.


That's what I see. It's very clear!!

 

[Bird123]

If you ever realized that they are not petty and why they are not petty that would be a great step forward for you.
Unfortunately for you, I do not think that will ever happen because you are too mired in your beliefs.

What has all those petty things gotten you? Where are the better results? Is it really important to teach and hurt others in this way? Does it make up for the hurt in your life? If this is really the road to Heaven, why is it all a mess to you. Up is not where you are looking.

There always exists a million questions. Why have you stopped questioning?

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

 

[Trailblazer]

What has all those petty things gotten you? Where are the better results? Is it really important to teach and hurt others in this way? Does it make up for the hurt in your life? If this is really the road to Heaven, why is it all a mess to you. Up is not where you are looking.

What petty things?
I wish you would stop misrepresenting what I believe, but you are probably not going to...
You sound like a record that is broken, or a tape that is on rewind.
Why do you speak for me as if you know my thoughts?

66: O EMIGRANTS! The tongue I have designed for the mention of Me, defile it not with detraction. If the fire of self overcome you, remember your own faults and not the faults of My creatures, inasmuch as every one of you knoweth his own self better than he knoweth others.
The Hidden Words of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 45

There always exists a million questions. Why have you stopped questioning?

Never.

 

[MonkeyFire]

The test comes from the devil.

 

[Trailblazer]

I am reading from you hurt feelings and a bruised Ego when I wanted from you was intelligence, wide thinking and math. When you lead with feelings, the thinking half goes into hiding. Ego gets in the way of so much learning.

Funny thing, I am reading from you is an Ego bigger than the great outdoors.

I have placed real truth in your lap. What you do with that truth is entirely up to you.

You placed the real truth in my lap, Ego much?

You can wander around valuing payback, revenge, thinking badly of people because you can't control them, blame others and the world for all the troubles you see, but where is it all going to get you? Wanting God to hurt others that have hurt one prevents one from moving forward as well.

Where is the plus in all these petty things? Where is the fix?? Where is the Higher Level? How can you ever expect a Heavenly state incorporating these hateful things?

Please stop speaking for me and misrepresenting what I believe and what I do, like a broken record.
Why do you have a need to misrepresent me? That is what you should be asking yourself.

WE are all children of God even those you Blame because the world doesn't conform to what you want it to be. I know there is so much you do not have a clue about, however the results of God's Masterpiece of this world, just as it is, will be far greater than any concept you insist on.

I do not insist on anything, that is what you keep doing. That is called projection.
Nobody else knows anything but you know everything, Ego much?

That is what I see, it's very clear!

 

[Trailblazer]

The test comes from the devil.

I don't believe in the devil, I believe that the test comes from God.

 

[Bird123]

What petty things?
I wish you would stop misrepresenting what I believe, but you are probably not going to...
You sound like a record that is broken, or a tape that is on rewind.
Why do you speak for me as if you know my thoughts?

66: O EMIGRANTS! The tongue I have designed for the mention of Me, defile it not with detraction. If the fire of self overcome you, remember your own faults and not the faults of My creatures, inasmuch as every one of you knoweth his own self better than he knoweth others.
The Hidden Words of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 45

Never.

You do not Understand.

Do you know why this world exists? It exists because merely telling someone does not get the lessons learned. One must Live their Lessons.

You might not see what I point at, however you will see it again in your future.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

 

[Bird123]

Funny thing, I am reading from you is an Ego bigger than the great outdoors.

You placed the real truth in my lap, Ego much?

Please stop speaking for me and misrepresenting what I believe and what I do, like a broken record.
Why do you have a need to misrepresent me? That is what you should be asking yourself.

I do not insist on anything, that is what you keep doing. That is called projection.
Nobody else knows anything but you know everything, Ego much?

That is what I see, it's very clear!

It's not Ego it's Math. I am not telling you what you believe. I'm telling what is.

You value Blame. You said it's people who are messing up your world. You insist on punishment and payback. You said so yourself all in the name of your justice. You value we against they. You deem some people better than others, yet no person is better than another. You label people as Evil. Can there be another way to Hate?

I know I'm stepping on your Ego and it hurts. On the other hand, you can't have it both ways. You either value those petty things or you don't.

God is Big on what Is. I am as well. I do not care what you Believe. I point to what is through your actions and words.

People often get angry when something is said they do not like. These people will label the other as rude, Ego or arrogant. On the other hand, what are these people really saying?? OUCH!

Religion has corrupted your view. It has never ever been about Believing. It's about what actually IS.

Feel all you want, however feeling or believing you have the right answers is not the same as Discover what actually IS.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

 

[Trailblazer]

You do not Understand.

Do you know why this world exists? It exists because merely telling someone does not get the lessons learned. One must Live their Lessons.

I fully understand that and I told you that years ago.

https://www.amazon.com/Purpose-Physical-Reality-John-Hatcher/dp/1931847231

Why do spiritual beings--human souls--begin their lives in the physical world? According to well-known Baha'i author, scholar, and educator John Hatcher, the world is a classroom designed by God to instigate and nurture mental and spiritual growth. The Purpose of Physical Reality examines the components of this classroom to show how everyday experience leads to spiritual insight. Viewing life in this way, we can learn to appreciate the overall justice of God's plan and the subtle interplay between human free will and divine assistance in unleashing human potential. The idea of physical reality as a divine teaching device not only prepares us for further progress in the life beyond, it also provides practical advice about how to attain spiritual and intellectual understanding while we are living on earth.

 

[Trailblazer]

It's not Ego it's Math. I am not telling you what you believe. I'm telling what is.

Who are you to tell me what is? Where did you get your information, from God?

You value Blame. You said it's people who are messing up your world. You insist on punishment and payback. You said so yourself all in the name of your justice. You value we against they. You deem some people better than others, yet no person is better than another. You label people as Evil. Can there be another way to Hate?

More straw men. I do not do any of that, I only believe in Justice.

I know I'm stepping on your Ego and it hurts.

MY ego?

On the other hand, you can't have it both ways. You either value those petty things or you don't.

What petty things, the things revealed by God in the Bible and the Qur'an and in the Writings of Baha'u'llah?
I would hardly call those petty, but you call them petty because you don't like them, like a little boy whose mom gave him the wrong flavor of ice cream.

God is Big on what Is. I am as well. I do not care what you Believe. I point to what is through your actions and words.

You are not a Messenger of God or a Prophet so all you are pointing to are your own personal beliefs and acting as if they are facts.

People often get angry when something is said they do not like. These people will label the other as rude, Ego or arrogant. On the other hand, what are these people really saying?? OUCH!

I am not angry because I do not take anything you say seriously, since it is just your personal belief system.
I am not angry, i never was. If anything I am amused.

Religion has corrupted your view. It has never ever been about Believing. It's about what actually IS.

Religion has enlightened my view. Clearly, you do not like religion because it runs contrary to your personal belief system.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

 

[Bird123]

I fully understand that and I told you that years ago.

https://www.amazon.com/Purpose-Physical-Reality-John-Hatcher/dp/1931847231

Why do spiritual beings--human souls--begin their lives in the physical world? According to well-known Baha'i author, scholar, and educator John Hatcher, the world is a classroom designed by God to instigate and nurture mental and spiritual growth. The Purpose of Physical Reality examines the components of this classroom to show how everyday experience leads to spiritual insight. Viewing life in this way, we can learn to appreciate the overall justice of God's plan and the subtle interplay between human free will and divine assistance in unleashing human potential. The idea of physical reality as a divine teaching device not only prepares us for further progress in the life beyond, it also provides practical advice about how to attain spiritual and intellectual understanding while we are living on earth.

If life is the education of God's children, how can you justify blaming them for the cause of messing your world up? They are you. All are learning lessons just like you.

In a multilevel classroom, you will see others learning lessons you have already learned. Is it right to label them evil when at some point you too were learning those lessons?

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

 

[Bird123]

Who are you to tell me what is? Where did you get your information, from God?

More straw men. I do not do any of that, I only believe in Justice.

MY ego?

What petty things, the things revealed by God in the Bible and the Qur'an and in the Writings of Baha'u'llah?
I would hardly call those petty, but you call them petty because you don't like them, like a little boy whose mom gave him the wrong flavor of ice cream.

You are not a Messenger of God or a Prophet so all you are pointing to are your own personal beliefs and acting as if they are facts.

I am not angry because I do not take anything you say seriously, since it is just your personal belief system.
I am not angry, i never was. If anything I am amused.

Religion has enlightened my view. Clearly, you do not like religion because it runs contrary to your personal belief system.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

My Belief system??? What belief system? I do not value beliefs Why do you insist I'm feeding you beliefs?

From your point of view, beliefs are all you have. Beliefs are all you know.

I have pointed you in a direction by which you can discover the facts for yourself. This does take work.

Clearly beliefs are more important to you. Great!! You clearly are not ready or do not desire to know what is. Beliefs might be good enough for you, however I could never be satisfied with them.

Life is the education of God's children. You will get there in time. You will see this all again. Carry on.

I have placed truth in your life. It's in your hands from here. Wander as much as you like. At some point, the real truth will become more important to you as it does with everyone. This probably will not happen in this physical lifetime. On the other hand, there is no time limit on learning.

Ego gets in the way of so much learning. On the other hand. the learning always overcomes the Ego in the end.

Remember, you determine your journey. Make it easy or hard as you like. Either way, I'm Happy!! I can only point. Your journey has never been up to me. It is something only you can do.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

 

[Trailblazer]

If life is the education of God's children, how can you justify blaming them for the cause of messing your world up? They are you. All are learning lessons just like you.

I do not blame people. I only ever said that humans are responsible for what happens to this world. God is not responsible because God put humans in charge of this world.

In a multilevel classroom, you will see others learning lessons you have already learned. Is it right to label them evil when at some point you too were learning those lessons?

I never labeled anyone evil but clearly there are evil people in this world. Is it a-okay with you for people to murder other people so they can learn their lessons in the multilevel classroom?

 

[Trailblazer]

My Belief system??? What belief system? I do not value beliefs Why do you insist I'm feeding you beliefs?

From your point of view, beliefs are all you have. Beliefs are all you know.

All you have. Beliefs are all you know. The only difference between me and you is that I have religious beliefs and you have personal beliefs.

I have pointed you in a direction by which you can discover the facts for yourself. This does take work.
Clearly beliefs are more important to you. Great!! You clearly are not ready or do not desire to know what is. Beliefs might be good enough for you, however I could never be satisfied with them.

But you are satisfied with beliefs, since that is all you have. You have no facts that I could not learn in any college.

I have placed truth in your life. It's in your hands from here.

What truth? You cannot place truth that you do not have.

Wander as much as you like. At some point, the real truth will become more important to you as it does with everyone.

The real truth is already important to me and that is why I believe in Baha'u'llah, who was the Spirit of truth who guided me into all truth.

John 16:12-14 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

 

[Bird123]

I do not blame people. I only ever said that humans are responsible for what happens to this world. God is not responsible because God put humans in charge of this world.

I never labeled anyone evil but clearly there are evil people in this world. Is it a-okay with you for people to murder other people so they can learn their lessons in the multilevel classroom?

This world was created for God's children. God has placed no one in charge of anything. Ruling and controlling are some of those petty things again.

First you say you never labeled anyone Evil, then in your next breath say they are Evil. You can't have it both ways.

Living, learning, and growing is about free choice. Those that murder are making bad choices. What should one do? Label as Evil,Hate, Judge,Condemn,Punish, Want Payback and Revenge or Rise to a Higher Level?

What is the Higher Level? Unconditional Love always does what is Best for the other. What is Best? FIX THE PROBLEM!! Until the problem is fixed, it never goes away. Has murder gone away?

Yes, it's important to protect people and society, but what is being done to fix the problem? Are there any studies going on to Discover all the underlying causes of murder? Are things being done to address those underlying causes?? There is much work to be done.

In God's multilevel system, the dynamics are amazing with the intertwining with multiple levels with multiple views. It is a lot so see. When one is blind to all of it, the surface of it all appears to be a mess. This is only due to a lack of knowledge and understanding.

Have you ever tried to help someone and no matter how you tried, you could not help them? God will not allow others to interfere with the lessons others are learning. Further, no one can be killed or murdered unless God allows it. There is so much you do not see or understand to be able to make judgement calls. One thing I do know. Goodness does come out of adversity. You might never see it, however it moves us all forward.

One can choose to value all those petty things which really helps no one or one can learn, grow and fix the problems. The choices and the lessons we choose for ourselves belong to each of us. We choose our lessons just like the murderers chose their lessons.

In a multilevel classroom, one sees others learning lessons one has already learned. Is this the time to Hate. No! It's the time to Help!! For those of us who must watch, it is just a reminder of what the true answers really are.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

 

[Bird123]

All you have. Beliefs are all you know. The only difference between me and you is that I have religious beliefs and you have personal beliefs.

But you are satisfied with beliefs, since that is all you have. You have no facts that I could not learn in any college.

What truth? You cannot place truth that you do not have.

The real truth is already important to me and that is why I believe in Baha'u'llah, who was the Spirit of truth who guided me into all truth.

John 16:12-14 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

Have you not learned to stand on your own two feet? Have you no ability to Discover anything on your own? Must all your knowledge come from others so you must decide to Believe or not? Must you have it all served up so you can accept or reject. Has religion taught you to be so dependent?

You want religion to tell you. You want colleges to tell you. Do you really think they have all knowledge along with all the facts??

I say forget all Beliefs. I do not want you to decide whether to believe me or not. I do not want anyone to be satisfied with any belief. Go. Discover the Real Truth for yourself. It takes work but everyone is capable. Only those who work at Discovery really care about truth and knowing the facts.

I pointed the way. WE each have the power to choose what we deem important. Your journey has always been in your hands. I suggest you look inward first to know yourself. I do not see you as really being true to yourself. Perhaps, that is the first step for you. Decide!! What do you really want?? Why?? Why do you ignore so much that stares you in the face?? It's all in your hands!!

You have all my Love and Kindness!!

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

 

[Trailblazer]

This world was created for God's children. God has placed no one in charge of anything. Ruling and controlling are some of those petty things again.

God didn't place anyone in charge of anything, but governments did.
I suppose you think that governments that rule and control are petty.
Why not have total anarchy instead?

First you say you never labeled anyone Evil, then in your next breath say they are Evil. You can't have it both ways.

I said that there are evil people in the world and everyone but you knows that. You live in a bubble.

Living, learning, and growing is about free choice. Those that murder are making bad choices. What should one do? Label as Evil,Hate, Judge,Condemn,Punish, Want Payback and Revenge or Rise to a Higher Level?

We should and so punish people that murder because that is in accord with Justice.
You can drop the rest of your straw men. Justice is not Hate or Payback and Revenge.

What is the Higher Level? Unconditional Love always does what is Best for the other. What is Best? FIX THE PROBLEM!! Until the problem is fixed, it never goes away. Has murder gone away?

Wake up and small the coffee. Society does not FIX THE PROBLEM by allowing criminals to go unpunished.
Unconditional Love is not what is best for criminals.

Yes, it's important to protect people and society, but what is being done to fix the problem? Are there any studies going on to Discover all the underlying causes of murder? Are things being done to address those underlying causes?? There is much work to be done.

Do you have a FIX for the problem of evil people who commit murders?
The only FIX is for them to believe in the Messenger of God and follow His Laws, and then there would be no murder at all.

“God hath in that Book, and by His behest, decreed as lawful whatsoever He hath pleased to decree, and hath, through the power of His sovereign might, forbidden whatsoever He elected to forbid. To this testifieth the text of that Book. Will ye not bear witness? Men, however, have wittingly broken His law. Is such a behavior to be attributed to God, or to their proper selves? Be fair in your judgment. Every good thing is of God, and every evil thing is from yourselves. Will ye not comprehend? This same truth hath been revealed in all the Scriptures, if ye be of them that understand.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 149-150

In God's multilevel system,

God's system is to send Messengers who reveal teachings and laws ti guide people to the straight path.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

 

[Trailblazer]

Have you not learned to stand on your own two feet? Have you no ability to Discover anything on your own? Must all your knowledge come from others so you must decide to Believe or not? Must you have it all served up so you can accept or reject. Has religion taught you to be so dependent?

More straw men. Nobody serves me up anything. I am not dependent upon religion.

You want religion to tell you. You want colleges to tell you. Do you really think they have all knowledge along with all the facts??

Why do you speak for me like you know me? Why not just speak for yourself?

I say forget all Beliefs.

Then I suggest you drop your beliefs.

I do not want you to decide whether to believe me or not. I do not want anyone to be satisfied with any belief.

Then why do you keep promulgating your beliefs?

 

[Bird123]

God didn't place anyone in charge of anything, but governments did.
I suppose you think that governments that rule and control are petty.
Why not have total anarchy instead?

I said that there are evil people in the world and everyone but you knows that. You live in a bubble.

We should and so punish people that murder because that is in accord with Justice.
You can drop the rest of your straw men. Justice is not Hate or Payback and Revenge.

Wake up and small the coffee. Society does not FIX THE PROBLEM by allowing criminals to go unpunished.
Unconditional Love is not what is best for criminals.

Do you have a FIX for the problem of evil people who commit murders?
The only FIX is for them to believe in the Messenger of God and follow His Laws, and then there would be no murder at all.

“God hath in that Book, and by His behest, decreed as lawful whatsoever He hath pleased to decree, and hath, through the power of His sovereign might, forbidden whatsoever He elected to forbid. To this testifieth the text of that Book. Will ye not bear witness? Men, however, have wittingly broken His law. Is such a behavior to be attributed to God, or to their proper selves? Be fair in your judgment. Every good thing is of God, and every evil thing is from yourselves. Will ye not comprehend? This same truth hath been revealed in all the Scriptures, if ye be of them that understand.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 149-150

God's system is to send Messengers who reveal teachings and laws ti guide people to the straight path.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

I never said one should not defend oneself. Everyone wants to rule the world is mankind's greatest problem. Did you know that the countries that allow the greatest freedoms have the highest standards of living?

God gave everyone a different view to guaranty mankind a larger view than any one person could have. The greater diversity of ideas leads to more possibilities and a Wider View!! Thus the economies can't help but be better. Let freedom reign.

How is your murder rate doing? Any chance it will disappear? Why aren't all your holy books doing any good? Why isn't your justice system doing any good? Clearly, your idea of punishment is doing no good. If you do the same thing, how can you expect different results? The murder rate will never fall drastically until you Solve the problems yet it seems very little is being done to do just that.

I can not define anyone as evil. To do so would be to Hate. The murderer along with everyone else are exactly the same. All are learning things they do not understand. All are children of God. All are equal.

Unconditional Love is the Best choice for everyone. If you do not think it is, you either do not really understand Unconditional Love or you are choosing to hate.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!