Why does god rely so heavily on faith?

[AllanV]

but wouldn't you say that human mind power created this image of god via a defense mechanism to find strength and courage in the comfort of being loved unconditionally, even though it may be undeserved?

lets see what is more probable...

an uncaused cause which is indifferent to sentience
or
an uncaused cause who cares if you're believer in it

Yes I definitely agree, Human mind power will create its own image of God and probably as you describe. It will be come a fanciful image as it relates to own human nature.

But the Bible reads that the knowledge of God is incomprehensible to man. There fore how does one know God.
There is a way to enter this knowledge but it is rather unnerving. The way in is revealed the further one goes. The natural mind is let go, losing the mind, and the new mind is revealed.
I have done this and did return to my own self safely, I am sane. To do this again will take some dedication and I must not come back into my old self again.

 

[waitasec]

Yes I definitely agree, Human mind power will create its own image of God and probably as you describe. It will be come a fanciful image as it relates to own human nature.

But the Bible reads that the knowledge of God is incomprehensible to man. There fore how does one know God.
There is a way to enter this knowledge but it is rather unnerving. The way in is revealed the further one goes. The natural mind is let go, losing the mind, and the new mind is revealed.
I have done this and did return to my own self safely, I am sane. To do this again will take some dedication and I must not come back into my old self again.

if the knowledge of god is incomprehensible to man, how can you claim to enter this knowledge...?
are you not contradicting yourself?

 

[AllanV]

if the knowledge of god is incomprehensible to man, how can you claim to enter this knowledge...?
are you not contradicting yourself?

There is a mystery from the human perspective.

With some discipline and some time out, away from any distractions and any one not on the same quest, a continuous daily step by step approach is made. As time goes on the mind begins to see it.

At one point everything that is in the makeup, all the traits of personality are seen to have been lodged there, within own mind. They reveal a not too perfect person and can not be escaped from, because they are what bonds a person to other humans. They are the motivating influences behind all behavior in any situation. Generally they will lead to conflict but not necessarily. Just look at all human behavior, from families, to social groups to armies etc.

These need to be got passed before God can be revealed. This can only happen in a renewed mind and a different nature.

 

[waitasec]

There is a mystery from the human perspective.

With some discipline and some time out, away from any distractions and any one not on the same quest, a continuous daily step by step approach is made. As time goes on the mind begins to see it.

At one point everything that is in the makeup, all the traits of personality are seen to have been lodged there, within own mind. They reveal a not too perfect person and can not be escaped from, because they are what bonds a person to other humans. They are the motivating influences behind all behavior in any situation. Generally they will lead to conflict but not necessarily. Just look at all human behavior, from families, to social groups to armies etc.

These need to be got passed before God can be revealed. This can only happen in a renewed mind and a different nature.

well that's meditation...
i still do not see how god has anything to do with meditation. it has to do with how honest one is with oneself and if they are open minded enough to be able to change their minds about things...that is totally possible without any help from any bronze age man made deity....

at the end of the day, there is nothing that a believer can do that a non believer can't...

 

[Twilight Hue]

There is a mystery from the human perspective.

With some discipline and some time out, away from any distractions and any one not on the same quest, a continuous daily step by step approach is made. As time goes on the mind begins to see it.

At one point everything that is in the makeup, all the traits of personality are seen to have been lodged there, within own mind. They reveal a not too perfect person and can not be escaped from, because they are what bonds a person to other humans. They are the motivating influences behind all behavior in any situation. Generally they will lead to conflict but not necessarily. Just look at all human behavior, from families, to social groups to armies etc.

These need to be got passed before God can be revealed. This can only happen in a renewed mind and a different nature.

And when said distraction and opposition is re-introduced past the sabbatical?

 

[waitasec]

basically if one thinks they can know the unknowable there is an undue sense of importance or a sense of moral superiority which settles in the persons convictions. this arrogance (an innate trait of humanity) undermines the persons ability to be humble. a modest attitude makes way for the possibilities to find new discoveries and empirical truths.
in other words...

"a mans got to know his limitations"
-dirt harry

 

[strikeviperMKII]

but wouldn't you say that human mind power created this image of god via a defense mechanism to find strength and courage in the comfort of being loved unconditionally, even though it may be undeserved?

lets see what is more probable...

an uncaused cause which is indifferent to sentience
or
an uncaused cause who cares if you're believer in it

Yes...because it is all based on what is most probable.

 

[waitasec]

Yes...because it is all based on what is most probable.

it is very probable that the comforting way is the most desirable...

 

[AllanV]

well that's meditation...
i still do not see how god has anything to do with meditation. it has to do with how honest one is with oneself and if they are open minded enough to be able to change their minds about things...that is totally possible without any help from any bronze age man made deity....

at the end of the day, there is nothing that a believer can do that a non believer can't...

It is stronger than meditation. Every person has personal power. This has to be given up.

 

[AllanV]

And when said distraction and opposition is re-introduced past the sabbatical?

The whole aim is to go far enough that the new mind that is revealed is completely different and set in place. The nature is very gentle and others cannot get into the subconscious to stir up emotional responses.

The work of Faith that has been done others have not.

The transformation that has been gone through takes a person passed the point a natural mind can comprehend.

There is full protection unless the mind is forced to turn toward usual activities. The Idea is to give up all the old life and have Gods will active rather than just your own out of the personality with all its faults.
If the mind is turned back to comprehend usual work the old nature returns and the protection is lost.

It is about broadcasting Gods love from the heart.

Eph 6:6 Not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but as the servants of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart;

 

[Flux]

Because there is no evidence.

 

[AllanV]

basically if one thinks they can know the unknowable there is an undue sense of importance or a sense of moral superiority which settles in the persons convictions. this arrogance (an innate trait of humanity) undermines the persons ability to be humble. a modest attitude makes way for the possibilities to find new discoveries and empirical truths.
in other words...

"a mans got to know his limitations"
-dirt harry

You are describing all the traits in human personality that have to go. A person cannot know the unknowable.

Quotea modest attitude makes way for the possibilities to find new discoveries and empirical truths." [end Quote]

At first when an approach is made to have the knowledge of God there is no comprehension, but as the days go by it begins to be seen. At first there are only small glimpses of the possibilities but some changes are taking place and being held. It is important not to get suddenly distracted and lose momentum but to keep the changes moving forward, going deeper and deeper.

The truth is revealed in the mind changes and it is rational.
I am a practical person. I have enough life experience to realize the possibilities.
But even this must go. This is about God's Spirit and Love in a man. This is not done in human abilities or strength.

 

[Corkscrew]

You are describing all the traits in human personality that have to go. A person cannot know the unknowable.

Quotea modest attitude makes way for the possibilities to find new discoveries and empirical truths." [end Quote]

At first when an approach is made to have the knowledge of God there is no comprehension, but as the days go by it begins to be seen. At first there are only small glimpses of the possibilities but some changes are taking place and being held. It is important not to get suddenly distracted and lose momentum but to keep the changes moving forward, going deeper and deeper.

The truth is revealed in the mind changes and it is rational.
I am a practical person. I have enough life experience to realize the possibilities.
But even this must go. This is about God's Spirit and Love in a man. This is not done in human abilities or strength.

When you reach the same knowledge level as God, can you let me know? I have a few questions for you.

 

[AllanV]

When you reach the same knowledge level as God, can you let me know? I have a few questions for you.

You may not be understanding my use of the word Knowledge.
All mankind acquired the knowledge of good and evil. This means in their deeper consciousness they will purposely or inadvertently in an experiential way live out own life with all the behaviors seen even today. Such are mortal as we know.

To cross over to the Knowledge of God and be in His Will is to express unencumbered Love from the inner most being. Unencumbered meaning the usual pesonality imperfections that can wound or be wounded are not here.

Therefore if you are able to receive it, any contact will be in your inner being and not so much your intellect. There is some sensitvity required otherwise it is possible to completely miss this.

To maintain this state and work in it gives the person a hope of immortality in a new heaven and earth, a here after. This is being resurrected to a new life in a real place and not an ethereal heaven or afterlife as some say.

 

[waitasec]

You are describing all the traits in human personality that have to go. A person cannot know the unknowable.

then why would imply a believer can

With some discipline and some time out, away from any distractions and any one not on the same quest, a continuous daily step by step approach is made. As time goes on the mind begins to see it.

besides, a non believer is fully capable of doing the same thing...as a non believer.

At first when an approach is made to have the knowledge of God there is no comprehension, but as the days go by it begins to be seen. At first there are only small glimpses of the possibilities but some changes are taking place and being held. It is important not to get suddenly distracted and lose momentum but to keep the changes moving forward, going deeper and deeper.

The truth is revealed in the mind changes and it is rational.
I am a practical person. I have enough life experience to realize the possibilities.
But even this must go. This is about God's Spirit and Love in a man. This is not done in human abilities or strength.

you are contradicting yourself...
first you say;

A person cannot know the unknowable.

then you say this

The truth is revealed in the mind

 

[AllanV]

then why would imply a believer can


besides, a non believer is fully capable of doing the same thing...as a non believer.



you are contradicting yourself...
first you say;
then you say this

A person has to be initiated. Because God is present all the time and just a little beyond where own mind sees and believes from, He knows the mind and heart. If you don't resist too determinedly in your own mind the opportunity may be there at some time to be baptized, receive the holy spirit which is a deposit and seed.

This seed can be built from and leads a person to all truth.

Use your intelligence and don't believe everything you hear but do everything trying to maintain a good conscience. Try to maintain some sensitivity with out being manipulated or controlled by others.

peace

 

[waitasec]

A person has to be initiated. Because God is present all the time and just a little beyond where own mind sees and believes from, He knows the mind and heart. If you don't resist too determinedly in your own mind the opportunity may be there at some time to be baptized, receive the holy spirit which is a deposit and seed.

This seed can be built from and leads a person to all truth.

Use your intelligence and don't believe everything you hear but do everything trying to maintain a good conscience. Try to maintain some sensitivity with out being manipulated or controlled by others.

peace

so what abilities can this seed enable a believer to do that a non believer is not able to?

 

[AllanV]

so what abilities can this seed enable a believer to do that a non believer is not able to?

Using scripture, escaping the power of Satan and his kingdom. And experiencing the Love of God, the Will of God from the heart. Being Perfect and Holy.

Or in my words after experience in this area, getting passed all those aspects in the self that will hurt or can be hurt in the emotions. These bond all humans together but can lead to conflict.
There are a lot of damaged people out there and religion is responsible for some of it but not all. There is a need to be careful obviously when it comes to belief.

I didn't want anything to do with those people or situations I was uncomfortable with when I was young. This was basically energetic. The energy that was being picked up was quite hard. I may have been a "sensitive" young lad.

I was difficult to control by those that tried and often came up against people who wanted to make me conform to their standard or belief and this was the power in their own self. Power trippers. Many tried and according to them it was me who had the problem. I was doing nothing. I wasn't steeling, being abusive or anything to anyone but experiencing and living my life. I was quiet when I was young and the perception may have been that I was a soft target.

My own problems were enough, but didn't need theirs. Why should I live their life in my body. I found my own bliss and unwittingly had an experience of God that was not being searched for.

 

[waitasec]

Using scripture, escaping the power of Satan and his kingdom. And experiencing the Love of God, the Will of God from the heart. Being Perfect and Holy.

oh i see...in other words unbelievers are beings who are just as capable of doing anything a believer can do in the real world

this is a perfect example of why i think believers have a sense of undue importance and are morally superior ...who else would consider infringing on the rights others as an ordained privilege from supreme being?

 

[AllanV]

oh i see...in other words unbelievers are beings who are just as capable of doing anything a believer can do in the real world

this is a perfect example of why i think believers have a sense of undue importance and are morally superior ...who else would consider infringing on the rights others as an ordained privilege from supreme being?

Humans do what you are saying. I doubt whether you have ever met a true believer.

There is no stepping on the rights of non believers. Some may say they are ordained but they are still Human.
There is a case for a debate on morals. If all manner of groups were given free reign we would be taken over by criminal gangs, sexually immoral and corrupt people. The strongest the roughest, the toughest would control.

But What I say is, this that I speak of has got nothing to do with controlling other people but a transformational experience only.