That I must agree with. I suppose few people will not.
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Why does Hamas launch rockets from cities?
- Thread starter icehorse
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That I must agree with. I suppose few people will not.
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
You can hardly blame them for their rockets being ineffective.
Alceste
Vagabond
The iron dome is very effective. I expect it's even more effective than dropping bombs on Palestinian children, crazy as that sounds.
dantech
Well-Known Member
If that's what you think I was doing, then you clearly didn't understand. They were basically saying that all the blame of everything going on is on Israel's shoulders, except for those few Israeli civilians that died. Those were on Hamas' shoulders...
I was pointing out how absurd that was.
Alceste
Vagabond
It is absurd. Three thousand Palestinian lives for three Israeli lives, and you seem to think that is a reasonable exchange rate.
Or for that matter, that keeping an active exchange is at all fair.
:clap the only smile i had for you , maybe forever
dantech
Well-Known Member
Are you intentionally not understanding or putting words in my mouth?
I didn't say there is a "reasonable exchange rate". Those words show just how much you are pro-Palestinian rather than pro-life...
If it were 3000 deaths on each side, then it would be a "reasonable exchange rate?"
That's just disgusting... It's like saying. The only way things will be fair from a Jew's standpoint, is when 6,000,000 Germans die.
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dantech
Well-Known Member
You know, condoms are also very effective. Once in a while though, a woman will get pregnant despite the using of one. That's why abstinence is the most effective birth control.
Hamas is not practicing abstinence. Eventually, a rocket will hit Israel. Only then will it be okay for Israel to retaliate? or should they never retaliate. Should they just sit back, and watch the fireworks until one of them kills a cousin, or a little brother?
RitalinOhD
Heathen Humanist
Are you intentionally not understanding or putting words in my mouth?
I didn't say there is a "reasonable exchange rate". Those words show just how much you are pro-Palestinian rather than pro-life...
If it were 3000 deaths on each side, then it would be a "reasonable exchange rate?"
That's just disgusting... It's like saying. The only way things will be fair from a Jew's standpoint, is when 6,000,000 Germans die.
I would wager it's more about the level of response. Regardless of how many rockets are fired, the fact is those rockets are largely ineffective. Israel bombing a UN school, or similar targets is not what any sane person would call a measured response. One may even call it criminal.
A better, and surprisingly adequate parallel:
Abstinence is all but impossible to work in any reasonable scale, therefore we all should be realistic and learn to accept and use other, more effective methods.
Likewise, complete absence of hostile intents given the existing history is an unreasonable expectation for both sides. For that reason, both sides have a moral duty to not be satisfied with purely military measures, and engage in determinated efforts at seeking non-violent ways of expressing their goals and hopes.
RitalinOhD
Heathen Humanist
Unfortunately I don't see that happening in any effective manner unless Hamas completely rewrites their charter. I also don't see Israel giving up any of those settlements either.
Of course. But both circunstances are hardly accidental. We must address their causes.
Alceste
Vagabond
I don't believe in retaliation. Ideally, those who are guilty of crimes against humanity on both sides would be arrested and brought to trial. Realistically, efforts to do this may lead to their deaths, and I'd be fine with that.
dantech
Well-Known Member
This will never happen... Who will be the arresting officer? The U.N? okay.. Then why not also in Iraq, in Iran, in the US, and everywhere else in the world. It just won't happen. At least not anytime soon.
yours post is the disgusting one .Are you intentionally not understanding or putting words in my mouth?
I didn't say there is a "reasonable exchange rate". Those words show just how much you are pro-Palestinian rather than pro-life...
If it were 3000 deaths on each side, then it would be a "reasonable exchange rate?"
That's just disgusting... It's like saying. The only way things will be fair from a Jew's standpoint, is when 6,000,000 Germans die.
let me tell you why ;
I don't wish the innocent jews killed .
but i believe if Hamas killed innocents Jews as Israel killed the innocent in Gaza , the Jews will feel same pain.
that's the truth .
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Alceste
Vagabond
I advocated the same approach after 9-11. Terrorism is best approached as a law enforcement issue, IMO. I think "never" is quite an assumption. All that needs to happen is to defund the military, and that is inevitable.
dantech
Well-Known Member
I think you grossly misunderstood my post.
dantech
Well-Known Member
It simply isn't realistic, IMO.
Alceste
Vagabond
I won't argue with you there. The average IQ of humanity is about 95, which means half of us are even stupider than that. So we will always run the risk of electing people like Bush, Hamas and Netanyahu. OTOH, it's likely that we will not be able to pay for their wars in a post-growth economy, which is imminent. So even stupid voters will be looking for leaders with other ideas.