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Why do you assume I use the Bible?Find me the verse, in the Bible, that states, that there is only one god.
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Why do you assume I use the Bible?Find me the verse, in the Bible, that states, that there is only one god.
All is one.What does God tell you?
Why does it seem that God never intervenes in Human Suffering?
Answer: free will.
God does not intervene with any human choice, otherwise it would not be free will. A parent's choice can affect their children. A criminal's choice can affect a victim. Your ancestors' choices can affect you today.
Find me the verse, in the Bible, that states, that there is only one god.
Okay, it looks like I have to ask again. Can we get back to the discussion?
Maybe you could let me know when you're going to be finished projecting and making things up.
I'm not sure what it is you think you're teaching, given that myself and the other poster obviously already have a decent understanding of what we are talking about.
I actually said a few times that there are many genes that have been identified that are known to increase the risk of alcoholism.
Why do you assume I use the Bible?
I notice that you are saying something here that I did not bring up, 'true god'.. /that wasn't what I asked for, was it? //evidentially?There are not a few ambiguous Biblical passages that teach that there is only one God, but many explicit passages that clearly declare this cardinal truth. Each of the following 28 passages explicitly teach that there is one — and only one — true and living God.
This does not explicitly state that there is only one deity. It says that the G-d in the context is the greatest.1. Deuteronomy 4:35,39 — Unto thee it was shown, that thou mightest know that the LORD he is God; there is none else beside him. (39) Know therefore this day, and consider it in thine heart, that the LORD he is God in heaven above, and upon the earth beneath: there is none else.
'thy G-d ' is specific contextual. We know that the G-d in reference is one G-d //monotheism2. Deuteronomy 6:4 — Hear, O Israel: The LORD thy God is one LORD. [Note in Mark 12:28-34 how Jesus and a Jewish scribe he encountered understood this text.]
This again, states that there is no god 'with', the one Deity. //The specific deity3. Deuteronomy32:39 — See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.
You are reading this incorrectly, in my opnion, if you think that this is a 'statement' that there /exists only one deity. This verse is a praise/verse4. 2 Samuel 7:22 — Wherefore thou art great, O LORD God; for there is none like thee, neither is there any God beside thee, according to all that we have heard with our ears.
Again, the wording inference is a bit tricky, but this reads /to me at least, of the nature of the deity. Not of the idea that there aren't other deities,5. 1 Kings 8:60 — That all the people of the earth may know that the LORD is God, and that there is none else.
Verse relating to adherence. The specificity need not indicate that there aren't other deities, only that the person is following the one G-d.6. 2 KINGS 5:15 — And he returned to the man of God, he and all his company, and came, and stood before him: and he said, Behold, now I know that there is no God in all the earth, but in Israel; now therefore, I pray thee, take a blessing of thy servant.
Again, an adherence verse. This is saying the Deity is the main deity , or the greatest deity.7. 2 Kings 19:15 — And Hezekiah prayed before the LORD, and said, O LORD God of Israel, which dwellest between the cherubims, thou art the God, even thou alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth; thou hast made heaven and earth.
Perhaps you missed the .possible/, inference here, that there may be other deities. ''There is none like thee''. Now, this is also the same type of wording as found elsewhere, or rather inference. Namely, it's a praise verse8. 1 Chronicles 17:20 — O LORD, there is none like thee, neither is there any God beside thee, according to all that we have heard with our ears.
Reference to the host of the heavens, which may or may not include other deities. Not specific9. Nehemiah 9:6 — Thou, even thou, art LORD alone; thou has made heaven, the heaven of heavens, with all their host, the earth, and all things that are therein, the seas, and all that is therein, and thou preservest them all; and the host of heaven worshippeth thee.
This is blatantly not a statement that there is only one deity.10. Psalm 18:31 — For who is God save the LORD? or who is a rock save our God?
Again, you are making inferences in the wording, that aren't necessarily there. This verse, /like the others/, is contextual as to individual worship, or a praise verse.11. Psalm 86:10 — For thou art great, and doest wondrous things: thou art God alone.
The Deity being referenced is in context to the person talking/ praise verse12. Isaiah 37:16,20 — O LORD of hosts, God of Israel, that dwellest between the cherubims, thou art the God, even thou alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth: thou has made heaven and earth. (20) Now therefore, O LORD our God, save us from his hand, that all the kingdoms of the earth may know that thou art the LORD, even thou only.
Here we do have a possible inference to the question, but it isn't very blatant, and again, it's contextual //G-d of Yisrael.13. Isaiah43:10,11 — Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he:before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no savior.
Contextual, G-d of Yisrael. // specificity inferences in these verses.14. Isaiah44:6,8 — Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.Fear ye not, neither be afraid; have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.
Context, and meaning thusly inferred from that.15. Isaiah 45:21 — Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time: who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Savior; there is none beside me.
Context again. We know it's contextual, because the Covenant is with the Israelites. /among other things,,16. Isaiah 46:9 — For I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me.
This is specific to the audience. We know this from context17. Hosea 13:4 — Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me; for there is no savior beside me.
The context of the statements, infers the meaning, or what cannot be inferred, as well18. Joel 2:27 — And ye shall know that I am in the midst of Israel, and that I am the LORD your God, and none else: and my people shall never be ashamed.
If anything this could be an indication that there are other deities, Sort of joking, here, but this verse is not even close to what is supposed to be presented19. Zechariah 14:9 — And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.
context of the statements20. Mark 12:29-34 —And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. And the second is like, namely this, thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these. And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he: And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbor as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices. And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly, he said unto him, Thou art not far from the kingdom of God. And no man after that durst ask him any question.
This could even infer that there are other deities//21. John 17:3 — And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
Yes, the G-d being referenced. The Deity is described thusly, contextually, not blatantly.22. Romans 3:30 — Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
This verse states outright that there are other gods. //23. 1 Corinthians 8:4-6 — As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, andthat there is none other God but one. For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
The G-d being referenced, is one. It is not a statement, that He is the only g-d that exists.24. Galatians 3:20 — Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
And this is actually contextual as well. //specific audience.25. Ephesians 4:6 — One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
Specific G-d reference26. 1 Timothy 1:17 — Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.
This can also be understood as specific G-d reference. In fact, if we understand it the way you are presenting it, then theoretically, people worshipping false deities, so forth, could claim authority to there adherence, since they //theoretically/, would be worshipping the same deity. That isn't the correct inference, obviously27. 1 Timothy 2:5 — For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.
Could be a specific reference, most likely is, or rather, contextually specific in description. from this verse presented without context, it certainly isn't stating that no other deities exist.28. James 2:19 — Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
The two biggest interventions are divine revelation and miracles. It would not only interfere with human decisions in that way, they'd violate rational natural law which is necessary for us to be able to learn to be rational, and that in order for us to be able to make rational moral decisions. How can that be made simpatico with your revealed (apparent) religion?Absolutely correct. Great answer and straight to the point.
All is one.
You said "serp did not put it down to "just genetics." Neither did I nor anyone else on this thread", quite why you have said anyone else on this thread I cannot fathom. You said in Post #549:
"Anyhoo Alcoholism is genetic". Serp777 said in Post #482 "Also alcoholism is genetic". If I were to have said it I would have said "Alcoholism is both genetic and environmental conditioning. I would have said that to prevent any ambiguity, as both you and serp777 post have.
But if the truth be known you probably did think that alcoholism is solely down to genetics, as you actually said, and you are now back pedaling .
How does god communicate with you?Yes.
Lucid dreams, and sometimes deep meditation.There is no fundamental contradiction between that statement and what I have been saying.
How does God speak to you? Or to put it differently, how do God's Voices come to you?
Yes I did point out that that poster "did not put it down to ‘just genetics’ because in post #482, (s)he said this:
“You really need to educate yourself on genetics before making all of these claims. Here's just one source showing how wrong you are. I have dozens of other sources too.
Genes that affect emotion and personality:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21835681
Also, you're implying a false Dilemma--its not that either genes do determine our actions or they don't. Genes interact with the environment to shape us and our actions. Genes have an effect that combined with the environment leads to traits we have. Genes don't solely determine us, but they greatly affect the outcomes. Also, the environment isn't decided by us anyways, so really most of our decisions are a result of things that aren't our choices. You would make entirely different decisions if you were born in india 1000 years ago.
Regardless, the point is that we don't have full free will. We only have partial free will, or sometimes no free will, that determines what we do. You might think you have a choice, but its possible you're predisposed to having religious experiences, and then combined with your family means you're very likely to be religious. That's an example of environmental and genetic factors making you believe what you believe. You could have also had a gene that makes you predisposed to skepticism and doubt, which means that you would be an atheist or an agnostic
Which clearly is not “just putting it down to genetics.”
Much earlier in the discussion (post #451), I said this:
“Genetics play a role in the regulation and sensitivity of our emotions. It’s one of the reasons people react differently to the same situation. It’s one of the reasons some people are more anxious than others. It’s one of the reasons some people suffer from severe depression and others don’t.
There is no single “gay gene” or “pedophilia gene” in the same way there is no “heterosexual gene.” We’ve been over the factors involved in these things many times before.
There are several genes associated with alcoholism and addiction that can contribute to a person’s risk of developing those behaviors; given the presence of certain environmental cues and stimuli that person is exposed to during the course of their lifetime. (The presence of such genes alone doesn’t guarantee that the person will become an alcohol or a drug addict.)
I don’t know who these sinister people are who want to find a pedophile gene so they can legalize child molestation. And I fail to see the logic in that argument.”
The truth has now been revealed and as it turns out, I've been speaking the truth since the beginning. Nice try at a putdown though.
Most of these seem contextual , or specific to the G-d of Yisrael. Specificity , does not necessarily mean that is /for sure/, only one deity. There are verses that when taken literally, imply that there are 'other gods'; likewise, the verses you are presenting, seem similarly contextual as to emphasis..
This can also be understood as specific G-d reference. In fact, if we understand it the way you are presenting it, then theoretically, people worshipping false deities, so forth, could claim authority to there adherence, since they //theoretically/, would be worshipping the same deity. That isn't the correct inference, obviously
- I notice that you are saying something here that I did not bring up, 'true god'.. /that wasn't what I asked for, was it? //evidentially?
- This does not explicitly state that there is only one deity. It says that the G-d in the context is the greatest.
- 'thy G-d ' is specific contextual. We know that the G-d in reference is one G-d //monotheism
- This again, states that there is no god 'with', the one Deity. //The specific deity
- You are reading this incorrectly, in my opnion, if you think that this is a 'statement' that there /exists only one deity. This verse is a praise/verse
- Again, the wording inference is a bit tricky, but this reads /to me at least, of the nature of the deity. Not of the idea that there aren't other deities,
- Verse relating to adherence. The specificity need not indicate that there aren't other deities, only that the person is following the one G-d.
- Again, an adherence verse. This is saying the Deity is the main deity , or the greatest deity.
- Perhaps you missed the .possible/, inference here, that there may be other deities. ''There is none like thee''. Now, this is also the same type of wording as found elsewhere, or rather inference. Namely, it's a praise verse
- Reference to the host of the heavens, which may or may not include other deities. Not specific
- This is blatantly not a statement that there is only one deity.
- Again, you are making inferences in the wording, that aren't necessarily there. This verse, /like the others/, is contextual as to individual worship, or a praise verse.
- The Deity being referenced is in context to the person talking/ praise verse
- Here we do have a possible inference to the question, but it isn't very blatant, and again, it's contextual //G-d of Yisrael.
- Contextual, G-d of Yisrael. // specificity inferences in these verses.
- Context, and meaning thusly inferred from that.
- Context again. We know it's contextual, because the Covenant is with the Israelites. /among other things,,
- This is specific to the audience. We know this from context
- The context of the statements, infers the meaning, or what cannot be inferred, as well
- If anything this could be an indication that there are other deities, Sort of joking, here, but this verse is not even close to what is supposed to be presented
- context of the statements
- This could even infer that there are other deities//
- Yes, the G-d being referenced. The Deity is described thusly, contextually, not blatantly.
- This verse states outright that there are other gods. //
- The G-d being referenced, is one. It is not a statement, that He is the only g-d that exists.
- And this is actually contextual as well. //specific audience.
- Specific G-d reference
Could be a specific reference, most likely is, or rather, contextually specific in description. from this verse presented without context, it certainly isn't stating that no other deities exist.
How does god communicate with you?
Lucid dreams, and sometimes deep meditation.
Absolutely correct. Great answer and straight to the point.
The second choice.You mean God comes to you in a particular form and/or speaks to you in a particular Voice in these dreams or whilst you are in deep meditation, as a person would? Or that you come to greater awareness or a (sudden) realisation about the Nature of Reality through these dreams or whilst in deep meditation?
The second choice.