So you are a nonbeliever than. You don't believe that the God, that I know exists, actually exists. You actually believe that he does not exists and that I, and all others who make the same claim as me, are in fact liars or mentally challenged.
I have not seen or heard any evidence compelling enough to lead me to believe that the god you believe in exists.
I never said believers are liars or mentally challenged people. Do not put words in my mouth.
So you also believe that you lack in belief in that God.
No. You are taking my lack of belief and trying to make it a belief.
So you also have trust issues because you think that everything needs to be proven for you to believe it. That must make you very indecisive.
Yes I do think that there needs to be compelling reasons and evidence present in order for a belief to be justified and/or considered a fact of reality. If you don’t agree, then do you also believe in dragons, fairies, garden gnomes, aliens and every other thing that anybody has ever claimed the existence of?
Like I said, if we don’t rely on evidence in order to verify the existence of things, then we have to just believe in everything until somebody can prove that it’s wrong or doesn’t exist.
Really? Okay then would it be safe to assume that you believe in fairies, alien abductions, Zeus, Thor, Osiris, Allah, ghosts, the flying spaghetti monster, the mothman, and the chupacabra?
When my wife tells me it is raining outside I never ask her for a video tape of the rain and then check the date just in case it is yesterdays date and she is trying to deceive me.
You have a history with your wife. You probably know that she doesn’t usually say it’s raining if it’s not raining. You know she’s generally not much of a liar. You know that rain exists and that it rains from time to time. You have all kinds of evidence available to you that you don’t even really think about because rain is such a mundane thing. But what if your wife told you that it was raining chocolate chip cookies or puppy dogs? You’d probably go take a look to check it out if she told you that. You might initially think she was pulling your leg or that she had lost her mind. The type of claim being made is important. Saying that it’s raining outside isn’t an extraordinary claim in the same way that claiming that there is an invisible deity that created everything in the universe is an extraordinary claim.
When I heard, on the news, that Princess Diana had died in a car crash I did not jump on a plane to France and demand to see her body as evidence. None of us did. Did you want to? When ever we are told anything we always determine for ourselves if it is likely or unlikely to be true by examining the circumstances.
There were photos of her mangled car and the crash site on every news station. There was a funeral in which her family was all in attendance. There were compelling reasons to believe that she had in fact died that day. Now, if instead the news did not show the mangled car and crash site or showed a photo of her car without a dent on it, and there was no funeral or burial and several people had snapped photos of Diana walking around London the next day, I might have reason to question whether she had really died at all. As it was, there was enough compelling evidence for me to believe that she had died without having to fly to England to see her body.
You would surely ask why would decent and respectable citizens tell you that God exists when they know that He doesn't, before you would ask for scientific evidence, wouldn't you?
There are a number of problems with such god claims. You tell me that the god you believe in exists. A Muslim tells me that the god he believes in exists. A Hindu tells me that the gods he believes in exist. All throughout mankind’s existence, people have claimed the existence of thousands of different gods, most of which have since been dumped into the trash heap of history. Why would decent and respectable people such as those tell anybody that god exists when they know “he” doesn’t? Because they don’t know that. I haven’t claimed that people who believe god(s) exist actually know that they don’t exist so I don’t’ know why you’re going there.
People are not normally given to telling lies, unless they are lacking in moral values, that is.
Some are, some aren’t. But people
are normally given to simply being mistaken, to misinterpreting various stimuli and/or data, to believing things based on supposition and preconceived ideas, to confirmation bias and other psychological influences that are part of our human nature. And sometimes people are just mistaken.
There was a time within the last few decades where reports of alien abductions were everywhere. Now we hardly hear a thing about them. Did aliens just stop abducting people? Maybe. Or maybe the claims were bogus and subject to the cultural phenomenon of the times.
Yes, that is what normal trusting people do.
Normal trusting people believe everything claimed to exist actually exists until proven otherwise? Normal trusting people believe in things without compelling evidence? I hope that’s not true.
Why, don't you believe me? Why would I lie about such a triviality
Why don’t I believe what? I asked you to point out what claim(s) you think I am making rather than just trying to tell me what I believe.
How many variations are there in a disbelief of God.
http://commonsenseatheism.com/?p=6487
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism
That wasn’t really my question though. I asked if are you under the impression that all atheists share the same beliefs and views? If so, why? I guess the answer is yes?
Sadly, time and computer memory would restrict me
Okay so you prefer the cop out answer.
The all do not believe in a God, which is all I have shared an opinion on.
Right. Whatever beliefs individual atheists may have about anything are not shared by all atheists. It’s just the nonbelief in god(s) that we all share.
A more accurate definition of assertion is a confident and forceful statement of fact or belief, however, it is generally used to express an opinion or a speculation. A claim is much different. It is to state or assert that something is the case, typically without providing evidence or proof.
So please explain how lacking a belief in something is akin to making a claim or assertion.
That is where the difference between your perception of what you think you do and reality.
Again, you should be able to easily prove me wrong and yet you refuse anyway?
