Isn't that convenient - I have to receive something that has not been proven to exist - to believe.
Yes
My unbelief in the Christian God is justified by the fact that Christians, a "holy Ghost, etc., have not proven to the rest of us that any of the God and miracle stuff of Christianity is true, or happened.
But I have told you that He exists. For what concievable reason would I lie about it when I can confidently say that if you try it then you to will recieve it? Why would 2.2 billion Christians lie or 2 billion Muslims? Please don't say mass histerior or some other cop out. Do you have a trust issue, have you been lied to on a grand scale? Do you need
proof that you will rise in the morning before you prepare your packed lunch and work cloths. Do you place a call to the local TV station to make sure that your favourite program will be airing at 8.00pm just in case your TV guide is a lie? If I were lying what would be my motive? what would I benefit from lying. God lives, I know He does because I have rationally and logically recieved the testimony of his on Holy Spirit. I am not on my own in that claim either. We all know that God exists because we have recieved a personal witness. You have not recieved that personal witness, and I get the impression that you do not want it, so we cannot expect you to be able to testify of a truth that you just don't know, but let me assure youthat it exists.
Stalemate? NOT! That is like saying one's belief in the Green Bean God's existence, obviously with no proof, is equal to science.
That is absurd. There are not 2.2 billion people claiming that a green bean god exists, indeed, such a belief would not be accepted on the grounds that it is a ludicrously ridiculus claim to make, the existence of a God is equally as tenable as science is. "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" yet that is exactly what you are saying.
I do not make these threads. I join in when the texts are being twisted, or people are being told they have to believe in the Christian God above all others, because you believe in such, or think you have had a God experience, - that you can't prove to the rest of us.
What you consider as twisted words is logical truth and
objective reasoning to those who speak them because those who speak them do so from experience whereas your response is based on complete ignorance of the reality of deity. One thing in your favour is that you cannot be judged on a law you do not know.
How is stating facts - putting down your religion?
Because your facts are not baased on truth that has been verified by the source of it. That is, the horses mouth.
"As said - Science starts with actual substance and tries to figure it all out. Religions just have a belief they cannot prove. Big difference."
Science is discovering what God already knows. It is discovering what I and all of Christianity knows. For example, The big bang is a theory, however, I know it to be a fact through the Holy Ghost that testifies of that which is true.I am not aware of the mechanism that set it in motion but I do know that God is responsible for it, however, you cannot comprehend that as you have not felt the truth through the Holy Ghost.
That is a fact - not a putdown.
As I said, your facts are not based on all of the evidence. You selectively omit the most important part, a designer.
You are not proof to the rest of us that a God, let alone the Abrahamic one, exists. That is your belief. It has not been proven.
It has been proven suffiently enough to me in order for me to tesify of its authenticity. Just the fact that I, a rational and reasonably intelligent human being, have said it should be enough for you to believe me, especially when considering the lack of motive in me telling a lie. Why else would I and 2.2 billion others lie? It is not my fault that you are overly skeptical so do not believe me.
That is not technically correct. Atheists don't have to do anything, - since you cannot prove the existence of an invisible being that created the universe.
You must have noticed that Christians do not use this forum as a venue to preach to the unconverted. Christian do not have to prove anything as they are not claiming anything. It is the likes of you who are claiming that Christians have it all wrong, OK, then prove it. There is enough circumstantial evidence, that when it is all brought together,proves that there is a God. You do not want to acept that very real proof
Actually, - calling me an Atheist, as I have said multiple times I am Agnostic, - would just make you a liar. I have no problem with there being a God.
then why not try to find him instead of fervantly trying to disprove His eistence?
The religions of Abraham have source problems, translation problems, changing words to suit their ideas problems, texts with magic, and dead people walking around, animals without larynxes talking, and no proof of this God at all to give to us. You just expect us to believe you, and accept your verses as from God. Anyone such as myself, challenging those verses and assumptions, are considered - BY YOU - to be against a God. That is ridiculous. I am for truth and accuracy. For instance - If rape took place - you can not twist the texts, and claim it didn't, etc. If there is no proof that can be given to others to prove your Gods existence, - than there just isn't. It is a fact.
The information that you have has been passed onto you by man. I am sure that an in depth look at it will show that your source is less then accurate. Men, after all, are infallible. The evidence that I possess comes from God via the Holy Ghost. I know which of the two is more likely to be erroneous. The fact is that I, like the majority of Christians, have recieved an unmistakable witness from an intellegent and tangible source saying that God lives. That you do not believe me is your loss.
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