Well, I would expect you to say that, you are wrong, however, I still expect you to say it. Unless you have received the testimony of the Holy Ghost, testifying of that which is true, then it is inevitable that you will think that your unbelief is justfied. Sadly, you know no different.
Isn't that convenient - I have to receive something that has not been proven to exist - to believe.
My unbelief in the Christian God is justified by the fact that Christians, a "holy Ghost, etc., have not proven to the rest of us that any of the God and miracle stuff of Christianity is true, or happened.
You cannot prove to me that He didn't, stalemate.
Stalemate? NOT! That is like saying one's belief in the Green Bean God's existence, obviously with no proof, is equal to science.
The thing is, I am not trying to prove anything to you. It is you who are trying to discredit the beliefs of Christians here, all because you couldn't cut it your self, therefore, your failure means that it is all baloney and you don't mind saying so in the harshest of ways, offend or please.
I do not make these threads. I join in when the texts are being twisted, or people are being told they have to believe in the Christian God above all others, because you believe in such, or think you have had a God experience, - that you can't prove to the rest of us.
How is stating facts - putting down your religion?
"As said - Science starts with actual substance and tries to figure it all out. Religions just have a belief they cannot prove. Big difference."
That is a fact - not a putdown.
Sorry, but that is the impression you give, not the impression that I want to take. I am proof that God exists, without sighting the other evidences in the universe. You just cannot see it. Why would anyone lie about it?
You are not proof to the rest of us that a God, let alone the Abrahamic one, exists. That is your belief. It has not been proven.
Do you think that is what I am trying to do, trump science? I have been formally educated in science. I spent my life working in science. University was my greatest testimony builder to finally see God's hand
in our world, and all demonstrated by science.
Atheists try to use science to disprove religion, however, it does the polar opposite. It is the atheists that are surreptitious in what they do and not science.
That is not technically correct. Atheists don't have to do anything, - since you cannot prove the existence of an invisible being that created the universe.
And as I said, you portray yourself as an atheist without the slightest indication that you are skeptical of the whole institution of religion. You talk like and atheist, discredit Christians like an atheist, and you are overly critical of christianity, like an atheist. Therefore, it is fair for me to address you as what you appear to be, an atheist. Besides, there is a very thin line between the two as well, with both being defined as non-believers. The difference is insignificant and your objections unnecessary. I see no cynicism in your rhetoric on God here. I just see your predictable argravated and unfriendly disbelief.
Actually, - calling me an Atheist, as I have said multiple times I am Agnostic, - would just make you a liar. I have no problem with there being a God.
The religions of Abraham have source problems, translation problems, changing words to suit their ideas problems, texts with magic, and dead people walking around, animals without larynxes talking, and no proof of this God at all to give to us. You just expect us to believe you, and accept your verses as from God. Anyone such as myself, challenging those verses and assumptions, are considered - BY YOU - to be against a God. That is ridiculous. I am for truth and accuracy. For instance - If rape took place - you can not twist the texts, and claim it didn't, etc. If there is no proof that can be given to others to prove your Gods existence, - than there just isn't. It is a fact.
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