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Why does my God allow children to die? Is he evil?

1robin

Christian/Baptist
You are being disingenuous. You brought the issue up in the context of declaring evolution eminently falsifiable - implying that your "geological instant" within which all major body plans allegedly appeared contributed to its falsification.
The heck I did. Why in the world would I bring up a find that confirmed evolution (even if it denied the current model) to claim evolution was falsifiable or falsifiable. Might as well have brought a thermometer to measure a trip. I originally mentioned this in connection with the subject of intellectual corruption. That is the subject the entire claim centers upon. The main point was that in the interest of protecting (not a subject but simply a model) one of the most important discoveries in history was intentionally hidden by one of academic's most prominent and respected members. The comments claim is obvious and had nothing to do with falsifiability. The two may be connected but my original context is exactly what I said.






Did you read what I wrote? Some "major body types" are conspicuously missing in the Cambrian; and Precambrian precursors are being discovered.
You did not present any a single precursor beyond the protozoan life I had already mentioned so there was nothing about their immediate ancestors to even consider. The only interesting thing you mentioned was not what you recounted above. Where are vertebrate's in the period was it? I said basic body types. I did not get into all the vagaries of how taxonomy breaks down but my statement is consistent with thousands of references like:

All the basic body plans found in nature today are here: bodies with heads, tails, and appendages, all specialized segments performing specialized functions. All animal evolution for the last half billion years has come from tinkering with these Cambrian body plans.
Evolution: Library: The Cambrian Explosion

Described recently as "the most important evolutionary event during the entire history of the Metazoa," the Cambrian explosion established virtually all the major animal body forms -- Bauplane or phyla -- that would exist thereafter, including many that were 'weeded out' and became extinct. Compared with the 30 or so extant phyla, some people estimate that the Cambrian explosion may have generated as many as 100. The evolutionary innovation of the Precambrian/Cambrian boundary had clearly been extremely broad: "unprecedented and unsurpassed," as James Valentine of the University of California, Santa Barbara, recently put it (Lewin, 1988).

Lewin then asked the all important question:

"Why, in subsequent periods of great evolutionary activity when countless species, genera, and families arose, have there been no new animal body plans produced, no new phyla?"
•Lewin, R. (1988)
Science, vol. 241, 15 July, p. 291
CAMBRIAN EXPLOSION / ORIGIN OF THE PHYLA

Distinguishing between vertebrates and proto-vertebrates is far more of a semantic question that one that has any impact on the context of my claims as a terribly bad habit. When reality starts being defined by the model then we have it backwards.


Evolution is a biological theory, not a theological proposition; if you're debating the topic at all you're having a biological debate.
Odd, then, that you felt impelled to introduce such a useless and boring idea into the discussion. Do you feel threatened by it?
Evolution has been the basis for grounding all types of non-biological things like social Darwinism. I wish to God it would stay in the lab, the thing is bloody deadly when it escapes. I introduce a biological theory as an example of intellectual dishonesty. It is perfectly valid and wholly acceptable to do so. It also is primarily used as the primary evidence against God here in this THEOLOGICAL forum though it is constant with the bible anyway. I have no interest in it outside this context though it is valid and influential on a variety of non-biological issues. Just non that are relevant or interesting to me.

Happy to discuss further on the Evolution/Creation board, but I won't derail this venerable thread any further.
I do not find biological speculation very interesting though I have no doubt many do so, and should, in spades.
 

CG Didymus

Veteran Member
Strange that you said:
How was it manipulated?

From what language was it manipulated?
And then say?
Eze 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

God was talking about Lucifer or the devil or Satan here.

Jn 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Ezekiel 28:12 says it is about the King of Tyre. If it was about The Satan why wouldn't have God told Ezekiel to say The Satan. Did Jews, reading Hebrew, understand it was The Satan? Has any Jew ever said that quote you gave refers to The Satan? And then, you say Lucifer? How do you say that in Hebrew? Where did that word even come from? What language is that? How would you say Lucifer in English? Did somebody take another verse out of context and change the meaning to point to something that God and Isaiah never meant too? Probably.

I'm sorry I can't stay and talk more, but, out of the clear blue, I've got a horrible sore throat. It's like somebody cursed me or something. Hack, hack, cough, cough... Gulp, never mind, I just drank some lemonade and it went away. Whew, thank God, that had me worried.

Oh, and by the way, I'm not really calling the real God stupid. It's calling Christians who make up, manipulate, and interpret his Word to say what they want.... They're stupid... but well meaning I'm sure.
 

McBell

Unbound
So now you agree with me that there is a true Christian and the semi-hybrid Christians. IOW, you have no idea what is a true Christian. You think by giving descriptions of these different types of Christian denomination you think you already have a complete knowledge about Christianity, you know, a quip here and there.
Like your thinking your Brand of Christianity is "the" Brand of Christianity?

True Christians exist folks and its not a fallacy.
Now you are speaking from ignorance.
You should go look up what a No True Scotsman is then read up on it until you understand why you are speaking from ignorance.

You just gave a very good example of how you people contradict each other and yet still have the same mind/thinking. The Lord Jesus Christ said it perfectly,

Mt 12:26 And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?
Pray tell, what does your god think of your using his word to attack your strawmen?
 

CG Didymus

Veteran Member
Bold empty claim.
??? Arrre yyyou ssure??? I think he put a curse on me?
Quote:
Originally Posted by CG Didymus
Is God stupid?
Then he said:
That is really beyond blasphemy. May you never talk again…..
Aaah, aaah, cough, cough... Now the prophets of Baal called on their gods and nothing happened. What does it mean if he called on his god and nothing happened? Or, even worse, what if his god would have obeyed his command? I wonder if his god was too busy, or running errands or something?
 

CG Didymus

Veteran Member
Hybrid Christians. I have one of those! He's a Catho-Lutheran mix breed. He's even potty trained!
Mine, I have to feel up with the power of the Holy Spirit every night, wind it up, give it a verse of the day, and send it out, like a robot.

Oh, and speaking of robots, this is for RunJM2C, if we built a society of robots, you and I and the robots, and made rules for them to live by, wouldn't it be stupid to give them freewill to break those rules? Wouldn't it be stupid to think they wouldn't experiment and try and break the rules? And, once they broke the rules, and some of them were destroying some of the others, wouldn't it be stupid not to shut those ones down before they did more damage? And, since we knew from our computer which ones would chose to do evil, wouldn't we, ahead of time, stop them? Wouldn't we be stupid if we didn't do that? And if some evil mad scientist put a virus in them that caused them to do evil, wouldn't we stop that mad scientist? Wouldn't it be absolutely stupid to keep letting him corrupt our creation?

If our number one rule was for them to love us with all their computer module and wiring, then why not reprogram them or disassemble them? Even if they cried, "Don't disassemble!" It would be in their best interest. They'd be happier. We'd get what we wanted. Will Smith wouldn't have to try and kill them before they killed us. It would prevent all sorts of evil, unless evil is what we wanted? Nah, that would be stupid. Create something and let it go all to hell and don't fix them? That would really be stupid.
 

johnhanks

Well-Known Member
[Mostly snipped] ... I do not find biological speculation very interesting though I have no doubt many do so, and should, in spades.
This acknowledgement apart, I won't respond to all your speculative biological musing here, though I will point out that the difference between a protochordate and a vertebrate is more than semantic. Evo/Creo board is more appropriate.
 

JM2C

CHRISTIAN
You still didn't answer my question. If God truly wants everyone to be saved, then why doesn't he appear right here, right now, to everyone? There would be absolutely no more unbelief if he did that. Yet he doesn't.
I don’t know what to tell you anymore.

The keywords are “belief” and “unbelief”

I said start believing [“no more unbelief”] in the Lord Jesus Christ and you will see what you are looking for [“God will appear right here, right now, to you” spiritually of course and not physically] and you will see the goodness of the Almighty God.

If all people at the same time today will believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, then everyone will be save right here, right now, and that would be the end of everything, and everyone will live eternally with the Almighty God.

Human beings do not bargain with God and come to an acceptable compromise. Rather, God is the one who lays down the terms.

You have to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ first to free yourself from unbelief. Unbelief is the one that separates you from God.
 

NewGuyOnTheBlock

Cult Survivor/Fundamentalist Pentecostal Apostate
I don’t know what to tell you anymore.

The keywords are “belief” and “unbelief”

I said start believing [“no more unbelief”] in the Lord Jesus Christ and you will see what you are looking for [“God will appear right here, right now, to you” spiritually of course and not physically] and you will see the goodness of the Almighty God.

If all people at the same time today will believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, then everyone will be save right here, right now, and that would be the end of everything, and everyone will live eternally with the Almighty God.

Human beings do not bargain with God and come to an acceptable compromise. Rather, God is the one who lays down the terms.

You have to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ first to free yourself from unbelief. Unbelief is the one that separates you from God.

Belief or unbelief isn't something we just choose to put on or take off. We don't believe everything we hear, and for good reason.
 

Triumphant_Loser

Libertarian Egalitarian
I don’t know what to tell you anymore.

The keywords are “belief” and “unbelief”

I said start believing [“no more unbelief”] in the Lord Jesus Christ and you will see what you are looking for [“God will appear right here, right now, to you” spiritually of course and not physically] and you will see the goodness of the Almighty God.

If all people at the same time today will believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, then everyone will be save right here, right now, and that would be the end of everything, and everyone will live eternally with the Almighty God.

Human beings do not bargain with God and come to an acceptable compromise. Rather, God is the one who lays down the terms.

You have to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ first to free yourself from unbelief. Unbelief is the one that separates you from God.

So does he desire everyone to be saved or not? Either he does or he doesn't. He obviously doesn't, because if he really did... then he'd appear to everyone. Everyone would be saved. BOOM! The end... it's as simple as that.
 

JM2C

CHRISTIAN
Oh, and by the way, I'm not really calling the real God stupid. It's calling Christians who make up, manipulate, and interpret his Word to say what they want.... They're stupid... but well meaning I'm sure.
Your pride really is your problem. “I'm not really calling the real God stupid.” Got scared there huh! So, now you believe there is God. Scary isn‘t it?

You continue cursing God and things will happen to you.

Heb 10:31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
 

JM2C

CHRISTIAN
Now you are speaking from ignorance.
You should go look up what a No True Scotsman is then read up on it until you understand why you are speaking from ignorance.
You got nothing but your own empty opinion coming from your own ignorance.
 

JM2C

CHRISTIAN
Nope. As much as it contradicts your world view, threats from imaginary friends are all empty threats.
Talking about “imaginary friends”

Your ego with your three “medals” are your “imaginary friends” No actually they are your gods. Your belly is your god. How is that huh?
 

JM2C

CHRISTIAN
Then he said:Aaah, aaah, cough, cough... Now the prophets of Baal called on their gods and nothing happened. What does it mean if he called on his god and nothing happened? Or, even worse, what if his god would have obeyed his command? I wonder if his god was too busy, or running errands or something?
You just wait because God is not sleeping
 

JM2C

CHRISTIAN
Mine, I have to feel up with the power of the Holy Spirit every night, wind it up, give it a verse of the day, and send it out, like a robot.
Mt 12:31 Therefore I say unto you, Every sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men; but the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit shall not be forgiven.

Mt 12:32 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him; but whosoever shall speak against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, nor in that which is to come.
 
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