Why Does Trump Refuse to Call Out Nazis in Charlottesville?

[leibowde84]

This is one of those threads you stumble in in which you find that no matter how you respond......you are talking to an idiot.

Right back at ya. Your response here is incredibly idiotic. You don't even have the mental capacity to challenge my point. Sad!

 

[leibowde84]

If he was after the racist vote, then he should've ran as a Democrat. (The left has introduced far more identity politics "than you can shake a stick at.")

As for the white supremacists, these few neanderthals are hardly the people who put him into power. Unless of course you're trying to black ball half the population.

I try to watch UN-EDITED news reels whenever available. If one is honest and actually does their own homework instead of relying on Corrupted News Network and the Washington Compost, a very different picture of Trump will emerge.

Do you consider Mark Levin, Rush Limbaugh, Mark Stein, the Savage Report to be honest?

 

[leibowde84]

Your ridiculous poll is just like the leftist Goons behavior! You did not give the correct answer to choose. Was that a lack of education of the subject or a intentional deletion, or maybe it was a typo? In any case the correct answer while not listed is as simple as it is non PC. The Neo-Nazi protesters love them or hate them had the legal (VIA permit) and constitutional right to protest and be in that city! Trump could not do a damn thing to them. However, you and many others are allowing their emotions to blind them to the truth!!! In that protest march and the attack on the legal protesters the true criminals and real life repugnant goons were the ugly violent Brownshirt communists who were using ball bats and clubs to stop the Neo-Nazis's from exercising their rights! Even though I do not agree with ONE thing the Neo-Nazi's believe in* I do say they should of been protected and allowed to finish the protest. Yes it pains me to say that but its the truth! Also if the loonies and goonies had not attacked I would have wagered a large amount there would been no violence.

The communists club wielding thugs on the other hand had no legal right to be there attacking the NN's, and should be charged with felony reckless endangerment, attempted murder, denying civil rights and inciting riot just to name a few. I think a case could even be made to charge the communist dummies with hate crimes! Look my friends and others, to live in a free country we must allow our constitution and laws to work as written. The government (Including of course President Trump) or we as citizens can NOT show favoritism by selectively enforcing said laws, rights and protections to ANYONE, good or bad, loved or hated. There is no excuse, none whatsoever for the criminal acts perpetrated by communist worker party's paid goons etc that are listed above.

note; * I do not agree with anything the Neo Nazis perpetrate. I am nearly rabidly pro Israel and know the holocaust happened. The atrocities the Nazis committed and got away with in many cases sicken me. So my personal opinion is those Neo-Nazies are not much better than vermin. But those vermin deserve the protection of our laws and constitution. Te hated are a fluid group one day it may be my church or the atheist party or your family and loved ones that are turned on! Does anyone think about that?


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The neo-nazis, white supremacists, and alt-right protesters were the ones who initiated the violence ... like it or not. There is video proof of this. Once ONE white supremacists threw ONE bottle at the counter-protesters, their "legal protest" become absolutely and unquestionably illegal.

Now, their permits can be legally denied due to the violence they started in Charlottesville and the death one of their members caused.

 

[leibowde84]

Your ridiculous poll is just like the leftist Goons behavior! You did not give the correct answer to choose. Was that a lack of education of the subject or a intentional deletion, or maybe it was a typo? In any case the correct answer while not listed is as simple as it is non PC. The Neo-Nazi protesters love them or hate them had the legal (VIA permit) and constitutional right to protest and be in that city! Trump could not do a damn thing to them. However, you and many others are allowing their emotions to blind them to the truth!!! In that protest march and the attack on the legal protesters the true criminals and real life repugnant goons were the ugly violent Brownshirt communists who were using ball bats and clubs to stop the Neo-Nazis's from exercising their rights! Even though I do not agree with ONE thing the Neo-Nazi's believe in* I do say they should of been protected and allowed to finish the protest. Yes it pains me to say that but its the truth! Also if the loonies and goonies had not attacked I would have wagered a large amount there would been no violence.

The communists club wielding thugs on the other hand had no legal right to be there attacking the NN's, and should be charged with felony reckless endangerment, attempted murder, denying civil rights and inciting riot just to name a few. I think a case could even be made to charge the communist dummies with hate crimes! Look my friends and others, to live in a free country we must allow our constitution and laws to work as written. The government (Including of course President Trump) or we as citizens can NOT show favoritism by selectively enforcing said laws, rights and protections to ANYONE, good or bad, loved or hated. There is no excuse, none whatsoever for the criminal acts perpetrated by communist worker party's paid goons etc that are listed above.

note; * I do not agree with anything the Neo Nazis perpetrate. I am nearly rabidly pro Israel and know the holocaust happened. The atrocities the Nazis committed and got away with in many cases sicken me. So my personal opinion is those Neo-Nazies are not much better than vermin. But those vermin deserve the protection of our laws and constitution. Te hated are a fluid group one day it may be my church or the atheist party or your family and loved ones that are turned on! Does anyone think about that?


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I'm extremely happy that there are brave individuals out there who are ready to put themselves in harm's way to stand up to racists. We saw what happened in the 1930s when Nazi brown-shirts were left relatively unchallenged. When there is a Nazi torch rally where Nazi slogans like "blood and soil" and "jews will not replace us" are screamed in unison, it is imperitive that counter-protesters show up to challenge them.

If the counter-protesters initiated the violence, I would agree with you. Trouble is, the Nazis threw the first stone. And, at that point, their protest ceased to be legal in any way.

 

[leibowde84]

What I find most fascinating about this "Great Business Man" is that this one should have been a slam dunk...

No one in the world likes Nazis, and they have even more disdain for these so called Neo-Nazis, who are so awesome and manly that they had to go pull the tiki torches off of their mom's back deck and fill them with new torch oil before they could go on chanting about how "these streets are ours!". (I like to imagine all of the small things that lead up to a certain event, like Bill The Racist standing in line at Home Depot with his new quart of lamp oil, wondering what life would have been like had he not let his anger get the best of him when he was still dating Brenda... I wonder is he used a funnel to fill the torch canister or if he decided that he was too good for that and just tried it pour it like he would a pitcher of sweet tea. If he's like most of us, he realized after the fact that leaving your canisters in place over a whole season will cause the bottoms to rust away, which is why they were empty in the first place. So he had to then drive BACK to Home Depot in a anti-zionist fueled rage to purchase a 4 pack of new canisters because you can't buy just one. "This is not so bad" Bill thought to himself with dignified relief..."I'll log into the Daily Stormer when I get back home and let everyone know that I'm bringing extras just in case any of my white bothers need one!")

Idiots.

Anyway, Trump desperately needs something worthy of praise. He needs to develop some actual bragging rights and, as little as it might have been, bashing Nazis would have unified him, at least for a moment, with everyone. All he had to do was come out and talk about how these "losers", were a blight on society, maybe mention the beauty of diversity and our national unified stance against bigotry, hatred, or violence in the name of pre-conquered ideologies... The only thing he had to do was give condolences to those injured, mention Ms. Heyer's life, and condemn white supremacy. In what Universe is that not the only OBVIOUS response? But no, this "Great Business Man" decided to vaguely blame "both sides" (only one of which murdered anyone) and then went on some rant about the media making him look bad. And what's even more ridiculous, is that I know what he was trying to say! He's just completely unable to express what that is and he has no idea when or how to communicate it.

How anything he's ever touched has been successful is still a mystery to me.

I agree. The only thing he had to say was that both sides were violent, but one side was there to promote racism. So, it is clear which side was more in the wrong. And, I'm sorry, but any decent person who came to protest the removal of the statue would have been turned off by the fact that nazis were there to join them in their march. Anyone who stayed to protest with the nazis is not a decent person.

 

[jonathan180iq]

"Helping inspire divisions because it generates support from your political base is not a formula for causing our nation to advance, our nation to overcome the many issues that we have to deal with right now."
-Senator Bob Corker, (R) TN.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

There were nazis, white nationalists, and white supremacists at the rally in Charlottesville though.

Why do you think that fascism is appealing? Are you a racist?

Yes, I'm very racist.

 

[Notanumber]

Common sense can still be found, if you know where to look for it.

 

[leibowde84]

Yes, I'm very racist.

Why? What's your reasoning behind it?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Why? What's your reasoning behind it?

I was being sarcastic, obviously.

 

[UpperLimits]

Do you consider Mark Levin, Rush Limbaugh, Mark Stein, the Savage Report to be honest?

Oh give it a break! After 6 months of organization and promotion, the largest gathering of white supremacists in decades only managed to garner a few hundred participants. And you realistically think THIS is the force that got Trump elected?????

Good grief.

(As for those fellows, I rarely read their stuff. I typically follow other news feeds, or try to do my own cross verification on stories.)

 

[Notanumber]

It would be good if more people studied history instead of trying to destroy it.

 

[leibowde84]

I was being sarcastic, obviously.

You do realize that this is a written forum. No way to know that you were being sarcastic. There are actually racists on this site.

 

[leibowde84]

Oh give it a break! After 6 months of organization and promotion, the largest gathering of white supremacists in decades only managed to garner a few hundred participants. And you realistically think THIS is the force that got Trump elected?????

Good grief.

(As for those fellows, I rarely read their stuff. I typically follow other news feeds, or try to do my own cross verification on stories.)

No. I don't think that nazis and white nationalists got Trump elected. I think the "moderate" racists who seem to think that white people are being discriminated against helped to get him elected. Most of them don't consider themselves to be racist. But, what they are complaining about is the decreasing of white privilege, which is racist by definition.

 

[MrMrdevincamus]

That is very creative of you, @MrMrdevincamus

What is very creative of me Mr Dantas? I am not sure of what you mean, please clarify?

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"Anyone who withholds kindness from a stranger in need forsakes the will of the Almighty."
Job 6:14

 

[LuisDantas]

It would make quite the fiction movie, that is all.

 

[MrMrdevincamus]

OK but what does any of that have to do with Trump. I don't support bigotry in any form.

It has everything to do with Trump. The ultra-left wing is using a simple crude type of propaganda campaign of double speak and diversion to alter the reality of a Trump administration and legitimate Presidency. Although the tactics are crude, they are crudely sophisticated, and they work. So I was trying to show what this type of propaganda with unprecedented support from most of the media can accomplish by drawing some parallels that exist in the recent historical account. Also I was showing how the ultra left manifested as the communist workers party (for one of more) has accepted the mantel of bigots and liars almost proudly. These people attempt to rewrite history, and to destroy Trump not by hook but by a lot of crook(s) to slide their own vision of utopia in during the chaos they are attempting to create, just like Hitler did using the SA/Nazi brown shirts, to set up the National Socialists as the ruling party. The only difference is that our USA example is in its infancy and the name of the movement is different.

In any case even if you agree or disagree with me, thanks for the reply.

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Do not those who plot evil go astray? But those who plan what is good find love and faithfulness.....Proverbs 14:22

 

[MrMrdevincamus]

It would make quite the fiction movie, that is all.

I pray it is fiction, however the only fiction I hear is when a Trump hater opens his/her mouth.

For some it may be easier to stick their heads in the sand or other unnamed dark dank regions until a Clinton or a Sanders somehow win the Presidential office. When that happens and they finally extract their heads I fear they may be greeted not with their heros vision of utopia (meaning the Communist workers party). No, the Clinton types, the Ted turners, and those that hate Americas bounty will emerge in a USA that is no more, and they will find themselves in a USA where every citizen is looking for crumbs the dictators see fit to give us.

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[Revoltingest]

No. I don't think that nazis and white nationalists got Trump elected. I think the "moderate" racists who seem to think that white people are being discriminated against helped to get him elected. Most of them don't consider themselves to be racist. But, what they are complaining about is the decreasing of white privilege, which is racist by definition.

Most complain about losing white privilege?
Where do you hear these complaints?
I think you're seeing a mirage.
Moreover, you see Trump voters as a stereotype of white folk.
You even advocated special legal rights for blacks to beat whites who insult with racial epithets.
Is this not even more racist than that which you accuse them of?

Broad accusations of racism are tricky things to wield.
Aside from the erroneous (at best) inclusion of the innocent, the
anti-Trump crowd lives in a glass house, both historically & currently.
Tis best to not make criticism so personal, & so distant from issues.

 

[leibowde84]

Most complain about losing white privilege?
I think you're seeing a mirage.
Moreover, you see Trump voters as a stereotype of white folk.
You even advocated special legal rights for blacks to beat whites who insult with racial epithets.
Is this not even more racist than that which you accuse them of?

Broad accusations of racism are tricky things to wield.
Aside from the erroneous (at best) inclusion of the innocent, the
anti-Trump crowd lives in a glass house, both historically & currently.
Tis best to not make criticism so personal, & so distant from issues.

Nope. I didn't say that all Trump supporters were racist. I would say that about 30% of his supporters feel as if white people are discriminated against. And, of course they don't admit that they support white privilege (except for Spencer who has made that very clear). But, the cause of their view that whites are being discriminated against is the collapse of white privilege.

And, I said that if a white supremacist is spewing racial slurs directly at a specific black person (right in their face), the black person has every right to feel physically threatened. That is true because of the countless times when white supremacists followed racist words with unprovoked violence.