Why Does Trump Refuse to Call Out Nazis in Charlottesville?

[leibowde84]

The first two words only. Try reading next time.

Again, right back at ya. You might want to read more carefully next time. Doesn't say it was formed from the first two words (national socialism), it says it was formed from the first two syllables of the german pronunciation of the word "national".
"The shorthand Nazi was formed from the first two syllables of the German pronunciation of the word "national"."
It was still used as an abbreviation for the National Socialist German Workers' party. Nowhere does this say it was shorthand for "national socialist."

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Again, right back at ya. You might want to read more carefully next time. Doesn't say it was formed from the first two words (national socialism), it says it was formed from the first two syllables of the german pronunciation of the word "national".
"The shorthand Nazi was formed from the first two syllables of the German pronunciation of the word "national"."
It was still used as an abbreviation for the National Socialist German Workers' party. Nowhere does this say it was shorthand for "national socialist."

My point in the first place is that Nazism is an actual political ideology and that it's not the same as general American white nationalism. It's like how people throw around the word "fascist" without reference to what it actually means. It gets on my nerves, not least as a former neo- Nazi and a person with Fascist sympathies.

 

[gnomon]

He obviously has absolutely no problem calling people and groups out personally on Twitter and using very harsh, insulting language. Why does he refuse to do so when it comes to White Supremacists, Nazis, the alt-right, etc.?

This is one of those threads you stumble in in which you find that no matter how you respond......you are talking to an idiot.

 

[UpperLimits]

Wow ... you shot yourself in the foot on this one. My initial comment was before this "news conference" actually took place. In addition, he took back these comments yesterday during the actual news conference where he blew a gasket over questions from the place. Which, on its own, is pretty pathetic. We have a president with the thinnest skin in history. (Trump is a negotiator, and a people pleaser. I'm not sure he really knew what he was getting in to when he signed up for the job.)

He refused to blame the side that was based on hate, white nationalism, naziism, anti-semitism, and the confederacy (which was based on the inferiority of black people). Sure, Washington and Jefferson owned slaves. But, they didn't take up arms against the United States (as traitors to our country) to keep black people in chains. (No, that was the Democrats in the South....) One side was FAR MORE to blame and is, by definition, a group of despicable, bigoted, white supremacist, white trash who support the President. (So what!! The Presidential candidate can't control who votes for them. Just because Trump "may" have received a small block of support from this demographic group DOESN'T equate to Trump agreeing with their ideas. Personally I'd say their support was based upon Trumps views of the NRA and gun laws in general)

Pretty easy to see to anyone with an iota of intelligence that he is actually trying to retain support from the likes of David Duke and Richard Spencer. Unless Trump actually is under the ludicrous impression that white people are being discriminated against, he sold his soul to keep racist votes.

If he was after the racist vote, then he should've ran as a Democrat. (The left has introduced far more identity politics "than you can shake a stick at.")

As for the white supremacists, these few neanderthals are hardly the people who put him into power. Unless of course you're trying to black ball half the population.

I try to watch UN-EDITED news reels whenever available. If one is honest and actually does their own homework instead of relying on Corrupted News Network and the Washington Compost, a very different picture of Trump will emerge.

 

[UpperLimits]

You do realize that "Nazi" is just an abbreviation for National Socialist, right?

Let's also not forget that Japan and Nazi Germany were allies in WW2.

 

[penxv]

It's 2017. Everyone has a cell phone which means that everyone has a camera. It's not at all surprising that the incident was caught on several different cameras.

I'm aware of smart phones. I disagree that some guy hitting the gas on his car is a good reason to pull it out and start documenting. I think the likelihood is that people knew beforehand that something was going to happen there.

 

[UpperLimits]

I'm aware of smart phones. I disagree that some guy hitting the gas on his car is a good reason to pull it out and start documenting. I think the likelihood is that people knew beforehand that something was going to happen there.

I seriously doubt anyone "knew" what was going to happen - other than the criminals. This is the stuff conspiracy theories are made of. And to suspect that dozens of people "knew" about the impending event - and said nothing!!?? What are you saying about people?

Actually, one can probably just count it up for luck. Faith Goldy (Rebel reporter) was on the scene and recording at the time. Had she been 12 feet further into the street, she would have been hit as well. It is her clip which is being used by all the major news outlets.

As for the others, many people were likely already recording the event. Some I suspect for their Facebook page, or to share on YouTube. Given the presence of multi media in our society, I'm not at all surprised to see so many videos emerge.

BTW, You can thank independent right wing media for covering the event. None of the other news outlets were there. Wasn't "news worthy" enough....

(P.S. It was also her clip which was turned over to police and used to identify the criminals. Professional video quality.)

 

[penxv]

I agree that only the criminals knew beforehand.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I'm aware of smart phones. I disagree that some guy hitting the gas on his car is a good reason to pull it out and start documenting.

Really?? Why?

People record everything on their phones these days. You really think people at a rally such as this wouldn't be inclined to record what was going on all day long?

And you really think it's strange that the media was there to record and report on the rally? Why wouldn't they be there?

I think the likelihood is that people knew beforehand that something was going to happen there.

Maybe the other Nazis at the rally knew about it beforehand. Other than that, I think you're out to lunch.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I was in Charlottesville. Trump was wrong about violence on the left | Jason Wilson

 

[Twilight Hue]

I was in Charlottesville. Trump was wrong about violence on the left | Jason Wilson

Glad to see a Democrat mayor in charge then blaming Trump for all the trajedy. Could of been much worse.

 

[MrMrdevincamus]

He obviously has absolutely no problem calling people and groups out personally on Twitter and using very harsh, insulting language. Why does he refuse to do so when it comes to White Supremacists, Nazis, the alt-right, etc.?

Your ridiculous poll is just like the leftist Goons behavior! You did not give the correct answer to choose. Was that a lack of education of the subject or a intentional deletion, or maybe it was a typo? In any case the correct answer while not listed is as simple as it is non PC. The Neo-Nazi protesters love them or hate them had the legal (VIA permit) and constitutional right to protest and be in that city! Trump could not do a damn thing to them. However, you and many others are allowing their emotions to blind them to the truth!!! In that protest march and the attack on the legal protesters the true criminals and real life repugnant goons were the ugly violent Brownshirt communists who were using ball bats and clubs to stop the Neo-Nazis's from exercising their rights! Even though I do not agree with ONE thing the Neo-Nazi's believe in* I do say they should of been protected and allowed to finish the protest. Yes it pains me to say that but its the truth! Also if the loonies and goonies had not attacked I would have wagered a large amount there would been no violence.

The communists club wielding thugs on the other hand had no legal right to be there attacking the NN's, and should be charged with felony reckless endangerment, attempted murder, denying civil rights and inciting riot just to name a few. I think a case could even be made to charge the communist dummies with hate crimes! Look my friends and others, to live in a free country we must allow our constitution and laws to work as written. The government (Including of course President Trump) or we as citizens can NOT show favoritism by selectively enforcing said laws, rights and protections to ANYONE, good or bad, loved or hated. There is no excuse, none whatsoever for the criminal acts perpetrated by communist worker party's paid goons etc that are listed above.

note; * I do not agree with anything the Neo Nazis perpetrate. I am nearly rabidly pro Israel and know the holocaust happened. The atrocities the Nazis committed and got away with in many cases sicken me. So my personal opinion is those Neo-Nazies are not much better than vermin. But those vermin deserve the protection of our laws and constitution. Te hated are a fluid group one day it may be my church or the atheist party or your family and loved ones that are turned on! Does anyone think about that?


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[MrMrdevincamus]

Simply he believes in their cause. He definitely fits the profile of a Rich White bigot. Make America Great again is slang for make America white again. The only thing he has accomplished so far has been to roll back civil rights. His reason for loving Russia over Mexico and China is obvious. The most important thing and why he is not losing his white base is that they see him making America white again.

If you want to see real live uneducated bigots look most of today's leftists. They don't allow any opinion but their own and shout down anyone that has a differing opinion! The very definition of bigotry. If the shouting doesn't work they resort to paid thugs and use violence in an attempt to recover their lost cause. The democratic party is finished. They are participating in the same type of behavior that the Brownshirt SAs in pre war Germany employed to install the National socialist party as the leading political power and their men (with Hitler at the top of course) to lead that system.

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[LuisDantas]

That is very creative of you, @MrMrdevincamus

 

[bobhikes]

If you want to see real live uneducated bigots look most of today's leftists. They don't allow any opinion but their own and shout down anyone that has a differing opinion! The very definition of bigotry. If the shouting doesn't work they resort to paid thugs and use violence in an attempt to recover their lost cause. The democratic party is finished. They are participating in the same type of behavior that the Brownshirt SAs in pre war Germany employed to install the National socialist party as the leading political power and their men (with Hitler at the top of course) to lead that system.

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OK but what does any of that have to do with Trump. I don't support bigotry in any form.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

There is documented footage of Trump personally disavowing racists over and over again in this thread, before, during, and after the election, all we have from those who claim he is courting or courted racists is claims.

Here's a pretty believable claim from white supremacist Richard Spencer, who made it quite clear that he knows Trump only disavowed Nazis and the Klan by name because he had to, not because he actually means it:

“His statement today was more kumbaya nonsense,” he said. “Only a dumb person would take those lines seriously…I don’t think he condemned it, no. Did he say ‘white nationalist?’ ‘Racist’ means an irrational hatred of people. I don’t think he meant any of us ...Obviously the alt-right has come very far in the past two years in terms of public exposure. Is Donald Trump one of the major causes of that? Of course. He never talked about this conservative garbage we’ve been hearing for years…he was a nationalist.”

The white supremacists heard Trump loud and clear as did most of the rest of us.

 

[Notanumber]

From what I have seen, the President was correct when he said there was blame on both sides.

I wonder if he is being criticised because he has not signed up to the common purpose.

As she says, the Left, Liberals and MSM are censoring anything that is not politically correct.

I can believe that she was genuine when she said it was a setup and she was genuinely terrified.

Other Western leaders would do better to scrutinise the evidence before joining the cause of condemning DT, because he seems to be the only one with a balanced view.

Theresa May condemns Trump for ‘nakedly sympathizing with neo-Nazis’

 

[jonathan180iq]

He obviously has absolutely no problem calling people and groups out personally on Twitter and using very harsh, insulting language. Why does he refuse to do so when it comes to White Supremacists, Nazis, the alt-right, etc.?

He understands that the same people who participated are the same folks who voted for him. He is putting votes above doing the right thing.

What I find most fascinating about this "Great Business Man" is that this one should have been a slam dunk...

No one in the world likes Nazis, and they have even more disdain for these so called Neo-Nazis, who are so awesome and manly that they had to go pull the tiki torches off of their mom's back deck and fill them with new torch oil before they could go on chanting about how "these streets are ours!". (I like to imagine all of the small things that lead up to a certain event, like Bill The Racist standing in line at Home Depot with his new quart of lamp oil, wondering what life would have been like had he not let his anger get the best of him when he was still dating Brenda... I wonder is he used a funnel to fill the torch canister or if he decided that he was too good for that and just tried it pour it like he would a pitcher of sweet tea. If he's like most of us, he realized after the fact that leaving your canisters in place over a whole season will cause the bottoms to rust away, which is why they were empty in the first place. So he had to then drive BACK to Home Depot in a anti-zionist fueled rage to purchase a 4 pack of new canisters because you can't buy just one. "This is not so bad" Bill thought to himself with dignified relief..."I'll log into the Daily Stormer when I get back home and let everyone know that I'm bringing extras just in case any of my white bothers need one!")

Idiots.

Anyway, Trump desperately needs something worthy of praise. He needs to develop some actual bragging rights and, as little as it might have been, bashing Nazis would have unified him, at least for a moment, with everyone. All he had to do was come out and talk about how these "losers", were a blight on society, maybe mention the beauty of diversity and our national unified stance against bigotry, hatred, or violence in the name of pre-conquered ideologies... The only thing he had to do was give condolences to those injured, mention Ms. Heyer's life, and condemn white supremacy. In what Universe is that not the only OBVIOUS response? But no, this "Great Business Man" decided to vaguely blame "both sides" (only one of which murdered anyone) and then went on some rant about the media making him look bad. And what's even more ridiculous, is that I know what he was trying to say! He's just completely unable to express what that is and he has no idea when or how to communicate it.

How anything he's ever touched has been successful is still a mystery to me.

 

[jonathan180iq]

Here's a pretty believable claim from white supremacist Richard Spencer, who made it quite clear that he knows Trump only disavowed Nazis and the Klan by name because he had to, not because he actually means it:

“His statement today was more kumbaya nonsense,” he said. “Only a dumb person would take those lines seriously…I don’t think he condemned it, no. Did he say ‘white nationalist?’ ‘Racist’ means an irrational hatred of people. I don’t think he meant any of us ...Obviously the alt-right has come very far in the past two years in terms of public exposure. Is Donald Trump one of the major causes of that? Of course. He never talked about this conservative garbage we’ve been hearing for years…he was a nationalist.”

The white supremacists heard Trump loud and clear as did most of the rest of us.

He sounds Presidential when he reads a prepared statement written by someone else. When he speaks from the heart, he's a dick. Just watch the 3 statements side-by-side to compare.

 

[leibowde84]

My point in the first place is that Nazism is an actual political ideology and that it's not the same as general American white nationalism. It's like how people throw around the word "fascist" without reference to what it actually means. It gets on my nerves, not least as a former neo- Nazi and a person with Fascist sympathies.

There were nazis, white nationalists, and white supremacists at the rally in Charlottesville though.

Why do you think that fascism is appealing? Are you a racist?