Why Does Trump Refuse to Call Out Nazis in Charlottesville?

[leibowde84]

I'm saying that the people taking video knew what was going to happen before it did.

But, there is no evidence of that, is there?

 

[Nakosis]

Cass Sunstein - Wikipedia

""We can readily imagine a series of possible responses. (1) Government might ban conspiracy theorizing. (2) Government might impose some kind of tax, financial or otherwise, on those who disseminate such theories. (3) Government might itself engage in counterspeech, marshaling arguments to discredit conspiracy theories. (4) Government might formally hire credible private parties to engage in counterspeech. (5) Government might engage in informal communication with such parties, encouraging them to help." However, the authors advocate that each "instrument has a distinctive set of potential effects, or costs and benefits, and each will have a place under imaginable conditions. However, our main policy idea is that government should engage in cognitive infiltration of the groups that produce conspiracy theories, which involves a mix of (3), (4) and (5).""

What I mean by spooks is that any forum that engages in free speech and thought will undoubtedly attract a number of "Sunstein trolls" whose cognitive infiltration is meant to disrupt that forum. It is extremely pervasive.

This would be easy to effect, unfortunately by it very nature, very difficult to prove.

Kind of the idea behind the Russia conspiracy to influence our elections.

Any agent coming out and admitting this, their credibility would immediately be attacked.

I suspect it happens, I don't know how much. I just tend to accept I may never know the true motivations behind an event.

 

[Nakosis]

But, we know with certainty that the nazi who drove his car into the crowd admired the Nazis and was most certainly a white supremacist. So, wouldn't that make your theory here unlikely?

You are probably right, but, he could have been influence by someone on a forum somewhere, not even directly. Just encourage. Like some folks are encouraging someone to assassinate Trump.

Just tweet out under a false name, someone should do it. Some idiot kid might take it upon themselves to follow through.

Or offer whatever, say $100,000. Fake their arrest, trial, execution. Then provide them a new identity. Someone would think their doing it for the good of the country, and no consequence really.

Probably none of that is true. There's no evidence, but it wouldn't that hard IMO to pull off.

I pretty much don't trust anything I see, read or hear, not completely. I leave room for doubt.

 

[penxv]

But, there is no evidence of that, is there?

There is evidence that one videographer had previous experience w/ the Kony psyop... The State Department was involved in Charlottesville and is trying to cover it up. (https://archive.fo/ptJX0)

Outside of that, the whole thing just smells fishy.

 

[Mindmaster]

This is patently false. Obama did not "pal around with terrorists". That is ludicrous. He helped get our economy to where it is now (Obama came into office after the recession was well under way, and the economy has gotten better ever since). The lack of regulations of the financial industry is what got us into the great recession. Hopefully, Trump doesn't remove those regulations and cause another recession. As for the military, I have yet to see Trump accomplish anything that has made our military stronger.

This makes no sense. Progressives aren't persecuting gays. There is no plan to execute white people. What evidence are you basing this on?

Yes, Obama was inviting them to the White House for fireside chats... The same people meet with Russia, the Communist Party in the USA, and they are involved in the DSA (Democratic Socialists of America) and the DNC. About 20-30 Congresspersons take money directly from the Communist Party OR Muslim Brotherhood affiliated groups. The commies are happy to infiltrate and exterminate when they get control, so the only thing they are "allied" on is how much they hate the west and capitalism. Here's the bone, fetch.

And yea, they all hate LGBT but they're willing to put up with them to put up the facade that they are "progressive and tolerant" rather than "regressive". It'll all change when they get full control, it's already a career ending move in the FBI to pursue someones "radical ties". No one in the Democratic party leadership could pass an FBI background check, and that says something - probably why they aren't allowed to give them, lol. Neither Hillary, or Obama could ever pass one - they have long histories of involvement with Marxist groups.

Whether it makes sense to you, or anyone else is irrelevant - the long game is frightening, and people need to wake up.

 

[penxv]

Here is something...

http://archive.fo/7xLcR

What do you want to bet that this company had a presence in Charlottesville?

 

[leibowde84]

You are probably right, but, he could have been influence by someone on a forum somewhere, not even directly. Just encourage. Like some folks are encouraging someone to assassinate Trump.

Just tweet out under a false name, someone should do it. Some idiot kid might take it upon themselves to follow through.

Or offer whatever, say $100,000. Fake their arrest, trial, execution. Then provide them a new identity. Someone would think their doing it for the good of the country, and no consequence really.

Probably none of that is true. There's no evidence, but it wouldn't that hard IMO to pull off.

I pretty much don't trust anything I see, read or hear, not completely. I leave room for doubt.

I leave room for doubt, and I try to read as many sources as possible. But, this would be extremely difficult. Pay $100,000, fake their arrest, trial and execution, and provide them a new identity? You would have to be beyond stupid to fall for that.

 

[leibowde84]

Here is something...

http://archive.fo/7xLcR

What do you want to bet that this company had a presence in Charlottesville?

Is there any evidence of that? If not, I would assume that they were not involved. Not too tough to get people out to protest a white supremacy rally.

Why would you think it would be difficult to get counter-protesters at a white supremacy rally?

 

[leibowde84]

There is evidence that one videographer had previous experience w/ the Kony psyop... The State Department was involved in Charlottesville and is trying to cover it up. (https://archive.fo/ptJX0)

Outside of that, the whole thing just smells fishy.

That's fine (arguably good) that you are skeptical. But, I would suggest avoiding jumping to that conclusion unless you come across actual evidence. The fact that one camera man was there along with speculation doesn't even come close to cutting it.

 

[leibowde84]

Yes, Obama was inviting them to the White House for fireside chats... The same people meet with Russia, the Communist Party in the USA, and they are involved in the DSA (Democratic Socialists of America) and the DNC. About 20-30 Congresspersons take money directly from the Communist Party OR Muslim Brotherhood affiliated groups. The commies are happy to infiltrate and exterminate when they get control, so the only thing they are "allied" on is how much they hate the west and capitalism. Here's the bone, fetch.

And yea, they all hate LGBT but they're willing to put up with them to put up the facade that they are "progressive and tolerant" rather than "regressive". It'll all change when they get full control, it's already a career ending move in the FBI to pursue someones "radical ties". No one in the Democratic party leadership could pass an FBI background check, and that says something - probably why they aren't allowed to give them, lol. Neither Hillary, or Obama could ever pass one - they have long histories of involvement with Marxist groups.

Whether it makes sense to you, or anyone else is irrelevant - the long game is frightening, and people need to wake up.

Do you have evidence to back this up, or is this complete speculation?

 

[penxv]

Kessler is clearly a paid agitator...

REPORT: White Supremacist Leader in Charlottesville Jason Kessler Was Obama Supporter – Occupy Protester

Wall Street protests grow after unions' endorsement - CNNPolitics

 

[UpperLimits]

He obviously has absolutely no problem calling people and groups out personally on Twitter and using very harsh, insulting language. Why does he refuse to do so when it comes to White Supremacists, Nazis, the alt-right, etc.?

Seriously???

Not to be rude, or anything, but are you deaf? Or did you just forget to pay your cable bill? Trump has been "all over" those morons from day 1.

(Typical left wing propaganda....Good grief!)

 

[UpperLimits]

Trump failed to specifically denounce white supremacy. That is a fact. It was very easy for him to do, but he refused to do it. He gets a lot of support from those groups, so he wasn't willing to lose votes to do the right thing.

Really???

Relevant part of speech starts at 18:53

"As I said on Saturday, We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred bigotry and violence. It has no place in America. And as I have said many times before, no matter the color of our skin we all live under the same laws. We all salute the same great flag and we are all made by the same Almighty God. We must love each other, show affection for each other, and unite together in condemnation of hatred, bigotry and violence We must rediscover the bonds of love and loyalty that bring us together as Americans. Racism is evil. And those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazi's, white supremists and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans." Donald J. Trump. August 14, 2017​

 

[Nakosis]

I leave room for doubt, and I try to read as many sources as possible. But, this would be extremely difficult. Pay $100,000, fake their arrest, trial and execution, and provide them a new identity? You would have to be beyond stupid to fall for that.

Yes, it looks like he was just a crazy white supremacist.

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[gnomon]

He obviously has absolutely no problem calling people and groups out personally on Twitter and using very harsh, insulting language. Why does he refuse to do so when it comes to White Supremacists, Nazis, the alt-right, etc.?

How stupid are you?

edit: I could ask this forum wide but just specificlally, while their is an effort to repeal the Dodd-Frank act, how stupid are you to be so concerned that the POTUS didn't specifically state specific groups, no matter far worse has happened over the last two decades..........

Just how stupid are you?

To all of you?

edit: Am I coming across too angry lately? Just too ****ing tired of the horse****?

 

[idav]

He obviously has absolutely no problem calling people and groups out personally on Twitter and using very harsh, insulting language. Why does he refuse to do so when it comes to White Supremacists, Nazis, the alt-right, etc.?

I guess he got enough hints from everyone and called out the alt right. While that went on his approval ratings hit another record low.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I think with this one that they were going for powerful visuals that they don't usually get. It reminds me of Charlie Hebdo where there was a car that pulled up to a taped line on the street and then got out and killed a police officer with a machine gun. The stage was preset and the cameraman was waiting at the perfect spot for a good visual.

How did multiple photographers catch perfect visuals of a split second panicked decision from some kid behind the wheel... it just doesn't add up.

It's 2017. Everyone has a cell phone which means that everyone has a camera. It's not at all surprising that the incident was caught on several different cameras.

 

[columbus]

Has #BLM called out the vandals in Durham?
I wouldn't know because I stopped paying attention to them awhile ago.
Tom

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

This was the problem. He had an easy opportunity to call out White Supremacy as despicable and unamerican, yet he refused to do so. It seems as though he is more concerned with not losing racist votes than doing the right thing.

He may have had another reason for not denouncing the supremacists: He approves of them and what they are doing. Had he not had to concern himself with popular opinion, his condemnation of "hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides ... on many sides" might have been even softer - maybe an admonishment to respect the peace with no associating what happened with hatred or bigotry. It's not hard to tell which words he was reading and at what point he went off script. Compare him saying those words with his revised statement Monday in which his eyes were glued to the teleprompter throughout.

Trump's White House is stocked with racists and white supremacists: Sessions, Bannon, Gorka, and Miller are most prominent.

Let's not forget Trump's condemnation of Obama for failing to identify terrorists as Islamic. Trump not only refuses to call these people Christian terrorists, he won't use the word terrorist about them at all.

And his racist credentials are well established. With the help of HuffPo:

• He attacked Muslim Gold Star parents
• He claimed a judge was biased because “he’s a Mexican”
• The Justice Department sued his company ― twice ― for not renting to black people
• He refused to condemn the white supremacists who were campaigning for him
• He called Mexican immigrants rapists
• Encourages police brutality against gang members
• He condoned the beating of a Black Lives Matter protester
• He called supporters who beat up a homeless Latino man “passionate”
• At a campaign appearance in California in June, Trump boasted that he had a black supporter in the crowd, saying “look at my African American over here.”

I see no reason to believe that Trump was inhibited from expressing condemnation of white supremacists and domestic terrorism if the terrorists were white Christians solely because of a need to pander to his bigoted base.

I liked this from the tiki torch manufacturers, who demonstrated more leadership than Trump by condemning the supremacists, not "many sides ... on many sides":

• "Tiki Brand is not associated in any way with the events that took place in Charlottesville and are deeply saddened and disappointed," the company said in a statement Monday. "We do not support their message or the use of our products in this way. Our products are designed to enhance backyard gatherings and to help family and friends connect with each other at home in their yard."

 

[Stanyon]