Why Does Trump Refuse to Call Out Nazis in Charlottesville?

[leibowde84]

I think with this one that they were going for powerful visuals that they don't usually get. It reminds me of Charlie Hebdo where there was a car that pulled up to a taped line on the street and then got out and killed a police officer with a machine gun. The stage was preset and the cameraman was waiting at the perfect spot for a good visual.

How did multiple photographers catch perfect visuals of a split second panicked decision from some kid behind the wheel... it just doesn't add up.

It isn't surprising in the least. There were tons of media outlets covering the protests well before the nazi kid ran his car into the crowd.

But, what is your theory? Who orchestrated the psyop, in your opinion? What was the purpose?

 

[Stanyon]

If you have a message of white supremacy, it is only right that you should be ridiculed at every opportunity.

That is your right to do so if you choose but what about marching through the streets and openly advocating murder as in the BLM video?

 

[David1967]

EXCEPT YOU! Into the lot you go!

Whatever "lot" you throw me in, I will no doubt get kicked out for non - compliance.

 

[Altfish]

No surprise, of course he's a racist. Just look at his Birtherism fiasco.

 

[columbus]

Honestly, most of them are law-abiding folks they just have weird ways of looking at things.

This reminds me of the Muslims who insist that most of them don't blow up office buildings or launch Daesh, so it's Islamophobia to suggest that Islam was in any way involved.
Tom

 

[columbus]

No surprise, of course he's a racist. Just look at his Birtherism fiasco.

What fiasco?
It got him elected.
Tom

 

[Mindmaster]

This reminds me of the Muslims who insist that most of them don't blow up office buildings or launch Daesh, so it's Islamophobia to suggest that Islam was in any way involved.
Tom

No, it's OK to insist that they are all violent because they're white people.

 

[Mindmaster]

So let me get this straight, you will freely condemn the counter-protesrors as a single group, even though, similarly, there is no membership and signs were freely handed out, but you quiver at admitting the man was a Nazi protesting as part of the group. Wow.


Evidence they were unlawfully assembled? Everything I've read has said they were at that square with permission and direction of police?


It's not illegal to denounce or protest against them either.


Which is about as relevant and significant as 'Democratic People's Republic of North Korea.' Words are wind.

1) No, I condemn violent idiots - I give a crap less about their affiliation, it's just the left are more violent.

2) They didn't have a permit to be there, there was a permit for the "Unite the Right" event. That still doesn't mean they haven't a right to protest if they want, but they have no right to interrupt the event other than to stand outside it and persuade people. They charged the stage and started punching people, that's exactly where I don't care what the leftists/progressives have to say and want them arrested for assault. If you don't like what they say, you can always, you know, go home. I mean, I don't go to these rallies because they **** me off why do these people? They're not fighting anything, just making asses of themselves.

3) I find it amusing that every communist government has the word "Democratic" or "Socialist" in it, don't egg me on. There is a movie called "The Enemy Within" which I recommend anyone watch before they start siding with progressives, lol.

 

[penxv]

It isn't surprising in the least. There were tons of media outlets covering the protests well before the nazi kid ran his car into the crowd.

But, what is your theory? Who orchestrated the psyop, in your opinion? What was the purpose?

I don't have a theory. And I don't care who organized it. But the fact that there were "tons of media outlets covering the protests" is a big part of why the whole thing is suspect. The false flag events are essentially media events. How they're covered is the psyop.

edit: It looks like one of the videographers has previous psyop experience... The State Department was involved in Charlottesville and is trying to cover it up. (https://archive.fo/ptJX0)

 

[Mindmaster]

Believing in separation of the racism IS racism. If you want your race to be separate from other races, you are a bigot/racist. And, if you are trying to limit "nazis" to those that were in Germany during WWII, anyone without German ties wouldn't count. Thus, the limitation is ludicrous.

I think it is perfectly fair to use the term "nazi" to describe anyone who believes in the separation of races, white supremacy, european supremacy, anti-semitism, etc.

But, don't forget that the National Socialist German Workers' Party was a nationalist movement focused on protectionism and putting Germany first. It sounds a lot like the political ambitions of the new administration when it comes to economics. Capitalism requires globalization and denies protectionism. It encourages international competition, not limits it.

We all have opinions of that, but separation isn't extermination. If you can't tell the difference you're so far off your rocker I don't even know why I am writing these words.

I think it's fair to use the term Nazi, Nazism, for things that are actually Nazi. To clear this up, I would like to present the current view of the degree of Nazism that everyone on left sees you as having if you do not agree with them: Literally, EVERYONE IS HITLER. Seriously, you guys throw this term around so much it's meaningless.

Protectionism is valid when the previous administration was paling around with terrorists, destroying our economy, and weakening our military. It's simply the prudent course, and whether you agree with that or not it is the logical way to proceed. He's draining the swamp one office and one chair at a time...

People fail to see the ultimate destination of progressive values because they buy into virtue signalling bs, but that is the hoodwink - when it gains full power it just goes into commie land, as usual. First stop persecuting gays and people who won't vote for us, then the ethnic cleansing can begin... Then.. it's time to KILL ALL THE WHITE PEOPLE! You know what's sad? You probably think I'm joking.

 

[Altfish]

What fiasco?
It got him elected.
Tom

He's doing really well as President too, hardly put a foot wrong.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

1) No, I condemn violent idiots - I give a crap less about their affiliation, it's just the left are more violent

He says after the only fatalities and higher number of wounded in the whole event was from the right.

They didn't have a permit to be there

Even if they didnt, that doesn't make it illegal. Besides, you just got through saying that people who came for the event didn't stay in the stage area, and one of them went specifically to where the counter-protesrors were directed by police and HIT THEM WITH HIS CAR.

they have no right to interrupt the event other than to stand outside it and persuade people. They charged the stage and started punching people

See above.

) I find it amusing that every communist government has the word "Democratic" or "Socialist" in it

Yeah it's almost like people with ulterior motives use the words to agrandize or stigmatize people when the usage is incorrect. Like when trying to and say National socialism is comparable to, say, Scandanavian socialism which has many socialized programs but is still a mixed economy. Or lump all claims of socialism on the left when the Nazi in question SPECIFICALLY identify as hard right.
Weeeeird, it's like they never passed poli-sci.

 

[leibowde84]

That is your right to do so if you choose but what about marching through the streets and openly advocating murder as in the BLM video?

There are bad actors in every group. BLM doesn't advocate murder. Certain bad actors who have joined their ranks have, though. Murder is not official messaging from BLM. White supremacists, otoh, officially advocate racism. But, they don't advocate murder. Some in their group (like the guy who drove his car into the crowd of people) do though.

Just like the psycho who tried to kill Scalise. He is a liberal activist, but no liberal groups condone murder. His actions cannot be representative of liberalism in general.

 

[leibowde84]

I don't have a theory. And I don't care who organized it. But the fact that there were "tons of media outlets covering the protests" is a big part of why the whole thing is suspect. The false flag events are essentially media events. How they're covered is the psyop.

edit: It looks like one of the videographers has previous psyop experience... The State Department was involved in Charlottesville and is trying to cover it up. (https://archive.fo/ptJX0)

I still don't understand what you are claiming was the psyop. Are you saying that the guy driving his car into the crowd was setup?

 

[leibowde84]

We all have opinions of that, but separation isn't extermination. If you can't tell the difference you're so far off your rocker I don't even know why I am writing these words.

I never equated the two. Obviously enough, not all nazis were in favor of exterminating the Jews. But, that doesn't make them any less nazi.

I think it's fair to use the term Nazi, Nazism, for things that are actually Nazi. To clear this up, I would like to present the current view of the degree of Nazism that everyone on left sees you as having if you do not agree with them: Literally, EVERYONE IS HITLER. Seriously, you guys throw this term around so much it's meaningless.

White supremacy is enough for me. If you aren't a white supremacist (or racial purist / racist), then the term shouldn't apply to you. Btw, conservatives often use nazi references to the left. So, the problem you are illustrating goes both ways.

Protectionism is valid when the previous administration was paling around with terrorists, destroying our economy, and weakening our military. It's simply the prudent course, and whether you agree with that or not it is the logical way to proceed. He's draining the swamp one office and one chair at a time...

This is patently false. Obama did not "pal around with terrorists". That is ludicrous. He helped get our economy to where it is now (Obama came into office after the recession was well under way, and the economy has gotten better ever since). The lack of regulations of the financial industry is what got us into the great recession. Hopefully, Trump doesn't remove those regulations and cause another recession. As for the military, I have yet to see Trump accomplish anything that has made our military stronger.

People fail to see the ultimate destination of progressive values because they buy into virtue signalling bs, but that is the hoodwink - when it gains full power it just goes into commie land, as usual. First stop persecuting gays and people who won't vote for us, then the ethnic cleansing can begin... Then.. it's time to KILL ALL THE WHITE PEOPLE! You know what's sad? You probably think I'm joking.

This makes no sense. Progressives aren't persecuting gays. There is no plan to execute white people. What evidence are you basing this on?

 

[penxv]

By "alternative media" do you mean "fake news" sites like Breitbart? Also, what do you mean by "spooks"?

Cass Sunstein - Wikipedia

""We can readily imagine a series of possible responses. (1) Government might ban conspiracy theorizing. (2) Government might impose some kind of tax, financial or otherwise, on those who disseminate such theories. (3) Government might itself engage in counterspeech, marshaling arguments to discredit conspiracy theories. (4) Government might formally hire credible private parties to engage in counterspeech. (5) Government might engage in informal communication with such parties, encouraging them to help." However, the authors advocate that each "instrument has a distinctive set of potential effects, or costs and benefits, and each will have a place under imaginable conditions. However, our main policy idea is that government should engage in cognitive infiltration of the groups that produce conspiracy theories, which involves a mix of (3), (4) and (5).""

What I mean by spooks is that any forum that engages in free speech and thought will undoubtedly attract a number of "Sunstein trolls" whose cognitive infiltration is meant to disrupt that forum. It is extremely pervasive.

 

[penxv]

I still don't understand what you are claiming was the psyop. Are you saying that the guy driving his car into the crowd was setup?

I'm saying that the people taking video knew what was going to happen before it did.

 

[Revoltingest]

What else can we do but ridicule, mock and shame uncivilized ideologies?

That was Mel Brooks' idea.....

 

[penxv]

The clashes between the groups were encouraged and provoked by the groups' leaders who are all disingenuous.

 

[leibowde84]

Cass Sunstein - Wikipedia

""We can readily imagine a series of possible responses. (1) Government might ban conspiracy theorizing. (2) Government might impose some kind of tax, financial or otherwise, on those who disseminate such theories. (3) Government might itself engage in counterspeech, marshaling arguments to discredit conspiracy theories. (4) Government might formally hire credible private parties to engage in counterspeech. (5) Government might engage in informal communication with such parties, encouraging them to help." However, the authors advocate that each "instrument has a distinctive set of potential effects, or costs and benefits, and each will have a place under imaginable conditions. However, our main policy idea is that government should engage in cognitive infiltration of the groups that produce conspiracy theories, which involves a mix of (3), (4) and (5).""

What I mean by spooks is that any forum that engages in free speech and thought will undoubtedly attract a number of "Sunstein trolls" whose cognitive infiltration is meant to disrupt that forum. It is extremely pervasive.

But, we know with certainty that the nazi who drove his car into the crowd admired the Nazis and was most certainly a white supremacist. So, wouldn't that make your theory here unlikely?