Why Does Trump Refuse to Call Out Nazis in Charlottesville?

[leibowde84]

Why don't you ask him? Nobody on here is named Trump as far as I know.

Neither is God, but you seem to like to speak for him quite a bit, claiming that the Bible is "from God". What's the difference?

 

[Stanyon]

They are, whether he likes it or not, part of his constituents. And using neutral language with them is at least telling of his priorities. He's gotten more angry at a clothing store for not carrying his family's clothing line than at violent white supremacists.
Even Fox is checking this decision:
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So one person on a website that most people probably have never heard of until now made a comment and that is news? You must appreciate the genius of this, a guy puts a bucket of lemons in front of him and sits in a chair, other people come around and make the lemonade for him and he reaps the benefits- free publicity!.

Teacher: Don't take those red pills kids!
Kids: hmmm...We didn't know there were red pills

Now my question to you is how do you justify calling out one specific group especially when that group was peacefully gathering? I would call out those who were perpetrating the violence no matter who it was.

 

[leibowde84]

So one person on a website that most people probably have never heard of until now made a comment and that is news? You must appreciate the genius of this, a guy puts a bucket of lemons in front of him and sits in a chair, other people come around and make the lemonade for him and he reaps the benefits- free publicity!.

Teacher: Don't take those red pills kids!
Kids: hmmm...We didn't know there were red pills

Now my question to you is how do you justify calling out one specific group especially when that group was peacefully gathering? I would call out those who were perpetrating the violence no matter who it was.

The White Supremacists were the ones who caused the violence to begin with. They were seen starting to throw bottles and mace the counter-protesters before the counter-protesters started fighting back. There is no question ... the nazis started the violence.

And, I'm pretty sure that having a nazi torch parade is inciting violence. It's tough to have any sympathy for nazis of any kind, no matter whether they are violent or not.

 

[Mindmaster]

Nazis are about more than racial pride though.

Not really, Muslim terrorist shill groups are about theocratic supremacy, which I feel is worse. BLM has Islamic and anti-Jew views, and antifa is all in with communists who have a long history of persecuting and abusing anyone that doesn't fit their "vision" of the future. (All of these groups persecute LGBT, but only "work together" through the communist connection basically...) For any of these groups, you are either with them or human garbage worth less than a bullet. There are no actual Nazi's (it's dead Jim...), even neo-Nazi's really don't count - the extremists don't really share the same worldview. Most of them use the symbolism to trigger people, and that's different than _being_ a nazi in the literal sense of the word. Most white power people are pro-capitialism, in contrast to nazi's anti-communism and anti-capitalism stance. (You have to remember that Nazism was a rejection of BOTH of these economic policies...) They do share racial and hereditary views, but that is about it. Also, most white power in the USA do not believe in extermination of the undesirable people just separation. That's completely different than the views of what was going on in Germany...

Academically, if we want to address the issue, scholars find it hard to simply classify neo-nazi's as "right wing populism" but the news and most of the liberals here don't have that problem.

 

[Mindmaster]

To me hating me for my religion of birth is not "weird" -it's evil. Theirs will be the whirlwind.

I don't support them in any way, at least no more than the right to their free speech. Again, I think it's worth mentioning that the violent component of any of these extremist groups is minor - otherwise, we've already rounded them all up and jailed them. They are entitled to their backward-assed views as much as anyone else, so long as they don't physically harm people with it.

 

[DavidFirth]

Neither is God, but you seem to like to speak for him quite a bit, claiming that the Bible is "from God". What's the difference?

Quite a bit, actually. I do not speak for Him but only speak concerning what He has revealed about Himself. He's never going away and I plan to be around for a while so you'd best get used to it.

Call your congressman or senator. Know who to complain to. Complaining here does zero to no good.

 

[esmith]

DANG IT! I had the link ready and you stole my glory!

As the old saying goes "The early bird gets the worm" or in this case "The early poster gets the glory(?)"

 

[leibowde84]

Not really, Muslim terrorist shill groups are about theocratic supremacy, which I feel is worse. BLM has Islamic and anti-Jew views, and antifa is all in with communists who have a long history of persecuting and abusing anyone that doesn't fit their "vision" of the future. (All of these groups persecute LGBT, but only "work together" through the communist connection basically...) For any of these groups, you are either with them or human garbage worth less than a bullet. There are no actual Nazi's (it's dead Jim...), even neo-Nazi's really don't count - the extremists don't really share the same worldview. Most of them use the symbolism to trigger people, and that's different than _being_ a nazi in the literal sense of the word. Most white power people are pro-capitialism, in contrast to nazi's anti-communism and anti-capitalism stance. (You have to remember that Nazism was a rejection of BOTH of these economic policies...) They do share racial and hereditary views, but that is about it. Also, most white power in the USA do not believe in extermination of the undesirable people just separation. That's completely different than the views of what was going on in Germany...

Academically, if we want to address the issue, scholars find it hard to simply classify neo-nazi's as "right wing populism" but the news and most of the liberals here don't have that problem.

Believing in separation of the racism IS racism. If you want your race to be separate from other races, you are a bigot/racist. And, if you are trying to limit "nazis" to those that were in Germany during WWII, anyone without German ties wouldn't count. Thus, the limitation is ludicrous.

I think it is perfectly fair to use the term "nazi" to describe anyone who believes in the separation of races, white supremacy, european supremacy, anti-semitism, etc.

But, don't forget that the National Socialist German Workers' Party was a nationalist movement focused on protectionism and putting Germany first. It sounds a lot like the political ambitions of the new administration when it comes to economics. Capitalism requires globalization and denies protectionism. It encourages international competition, not limits it.

 

[Stevicus]

No one should give Trump credit for what Sessions and Pence have the balls to say. Trump can easily fix this by directly calling out all White Supremacists as being unwelcome in this country. But, he refuses to do so.

And, just to be clear, they can legally have the right to be here and speak their beliefs without being welcome.

I can see what you're saying, and I would agree that they should be considered unwelcome. But unlike Muslim terrorists, these are "homegrown" terrorists, products of American society and raised on American soil. Some people often ask why the peaceful Muslims don't give strong enough condemnation for the Muslim terrorists, so the same question might be asked of Trump regarding terrorists who arise from among the American people. Why doesn't he condemn them as strongly as other terrorists? It's a fair question.

But what I also see from this, it's that a few dozen mostly impoverished, disgruntled, disaffected individuals somehow managed to create quite a national ruckus and draw out thousands of counter-protesters, police, and serious attention from the national press and the federal government. Is it just the attention and notoriety they seek, or do they really believe they're going to re-fight the Civil War?

 

[ADigitalArtist]

The shields seen do not denote membership, nor does the white shirt. The shirts were freely handed out to anyone in attendance

So let me get this straight, you will freely condemn the counter-protesrors as a single group, even though, similarly, there is no membership and signs were freely handed out, but you quiver at admitting the man was a Nazi protesting as part of the group. Wow.

The only people remaining were antifas and other progressive groups that were unlawful assemb

Evidence they were unlawfully assembled? Everything I've read has said they were at that square with permission and direction of police?

It's important to know that it's not illegal to be a member of a white supremacist group

It's not illegal to denounce or protest against them either.

NAZI means National Socialism

Which is about as relevant and significant as 'Democratic People's Republic of North Korea.' Words are wind.

 

[leibowde84]

Quite a bit, actually. I do not speak for Him but only speak concerning what He has revealed about Himself. He's never going away and I plan to be around for a while so you'd best get used to it.

Call your congressman or senator. Know who to complain to. Complaining here does zero to no good.

You BELIEVE that God had something to do with the Bible and you BELIEVE that it reveals God's intentions. You may think you know, but you merely believe.

I BELIEVE that Trump's actions, inactions and words reveal his mind, beliefs, etc. I don't claim to know, but it is important to discuss, as he is our leader and represents us to the world. It is foolish to just ignore it or refuse to talk about it.

 

[DavidFirth]

You BELIEVE that God had something to do with the Bible and you BELIEVE that it reveals God's intentions. You may think you know, but you merely believe.

I BELIEVE that Trump's actions, inactions and words reveal his mind, beliefs, etc. I don't claim to know, but it is important to discuss, as he is our leader and represents us to the world. It is foolish to just ignore it or refuse to talk about it.

Have you written your congressman and/or senator? That might actually do some good.

 

[leibowde84]

I can see what you're saying, and I would agree that they should be considered unwelcome. But unlike Muslim terrorists, these are "homegrown" terrorists, products of American society and raised on American soil. Some people often ask why the peaceful Muslims don't give strong enough condemnation for the Muslim terrorists, so the same question might be asked of Trump regarding terrorists who arise from among the American people. Why doesn't he condemn them as strongly as other terrorists? It's a fair question.

I agree. I assume it is because he wants their votes. He got their support during the election. Nazi, white supremacy, the KKK, the alt-right were very clear about that. Now, a former editor for Breitbart, "the voice of the alt-right", is advising the President. It is a huge problem.

But what I also see from this, it's that a few dozen mostly impoverished, disgruntled, disaffected individuals somehow managed to create quite a national ruckus and draw out thousands of counter-protesters, police, and serious attention from the national press and the federal government. Is it just the attention and notoriety they seek, or do they really believe they're going to re-fight the Civil War?

They most likely think that Trump, who has used insulting, incendiary, sexist, hateful rhetoric and took way too long to disavow David Duke and these white supremacists in Charlottesville is on their side and his election gave them a voice and the permission to be more public. It is a very dangerous thing that Trump must address.

 

[leibowde84]

Have you written your congressman and/or senator? That might actually do some good.

Actually, I felt that congressmen and senators reacted admirably to the events in Charlottesville. Trump was really the only politician who did not, imho.

 

[Stanyon]

They brought semi-automatic rifles to a "peaceful protest"?

It is their legal right to openly carry in that state and not a shot was fired to my knowledge, does that not show extreme restraint.. and maybe even some compassion? This was also a peaceful protest, it was a protest against police brutality- do you have any problems with this- I don't.

A nazi drove his car into a crowd of people peacefully?

So one deranged person drove their car into a group of people and this paints an entire group? Apply the same logic and reasoning to Islam

Any white supremacy rally should be met with immense ridicule. Not violence, of course, but extreme ridicule and embarrassment.

Thank you for illustrating your bias and the agenda behind creating this thread perfectly.
I agree, free speech is free speech one does have the right to mock and ridicule other beliefs if they want to and this includes Islam but violence? no

 

[ADigitalArtist]

So one person

Reporting on one example =/= it's one person.
Since we are talking about opinions of the people whose actions even Fox News, a notoriously right leaning news agency which has been soft on Trump, is now highlighting the praise of Nazi towards Trumps neutral statements.
Yes, that is news.

 

[Nakosis]

All of this is true. But, Trump should have condemned racism and white supremacy right away. The VA Gov. did it really well. They are not welcome in our country. Legally they are permitted, but they are not welcome. The rest of the country doesn't want them here.

Trump has disavowed white supremacy before but probably should be doing this everyday or so.

 

[leibowde84]

It is their legal right to openly carry in that state and not a shot was fired to my knowledge, does that not show extreme restraint.. and maybe even some compassion? This was also a peaceful protest, it was a protest against police brutality- do you have any problems with this- I don't.

So one deranged person drove their car into a group of people and this paints an entire group? Apply the same logic and reasoning to Islam



Thank you for illustrating your bias and the agenda behind creating this thread perfectly.
I agree, free speech is free speech one does have the right to mock and ridicule other beliefs if they want to and this includes Islam but violence? no

Biased against white supremacy? Yes, I can honestly say that I am biased against any form of nazism, racism, white supremacy, anti-semitism, protectionism, nationalism, etc. I am proud of that.

 

[Quetzal]

It is their legal right to openly carry in that state and not a shot was fired to my knowledge

No one is arguing legality. We are arguing intent and tactic.

 

[leibowde84]

It is their legal right to openly carry in that state and not a shot was fired to my knowledge, does that not show extreme restraint.. and maybe even some compassion? This was also a peaceful protest, it was a protest against police brutality- do you have any problems with this- I don't.

So one deranged person drove their car into a group of people and this paints an entire group? Apply the same logic and reasoning to Islam



Thank you for illustrating your bias and the agenda behind creating this thread perfectly.
I agree, free speech is free speech one does have the right to mock and ridicule other beliefs if they want to and this includes Islam but violence? no

Btw, I am not OK with the guns being carried in the pictures above. I think it sends a violent message and is militaristic. I don't think that any weapons should be permitted at protests of any kind.

 

[Stanyon]

Reporting on one example =/= it's one person.
Since we are talking about opinions of the people whose actions even Fox News, a notoriously right leaning news agency which has been soft on Trump, is now highlighting the praise of Nazi towards Trumps neutral statements.
Yes, that is news.

Reporting on one example =/= it's one person.
Since we are talking about opinions of the people whose actions even Fox News, a notoriously right leaning news agency which has been soft on Trump, is now highlighting the praise of Nazi towards Trumps neutral statements.
Yes, that is news.

When you say "soft on Trump" does that mean not blaming him for anything and everything including the great Chicago fire of 1871?