Why Does Trump Refuse to Call Out Nazis in Charlottesville?

[Quetzal]

Archer is a favorite in our household:

Cheryl: "You're a moped."
Pam: "How'd you know? What's it mean anyway?"
Cheryl: "Mopeds are fun, but you don't want your buddies to see you riding one."

It's a great show!

 

[Mindmaster]

Even when Nazis aren't violent, I still condemn them for what they advocate.
But violent ones are the worst.

Honestly, most of them are law-abiding folks they just have weird ways of looking at things. They are more about white supremacy than NAZI ideology so I always find that calling them neo-nazi's is strange. (Despite the name and the goofy hand jive, they have have nothing to do with national socialism, which the democrats and their friends have more in common with.. )

I actually find nothing wrong with racial pride, as long as it is only that - you know, just being proud of where you came from. Once it's weaponized like it is with any of the groups I've mentioned (including the white supremacists), it leaves one rather angry either way.

I honesty feel all of those groups I've mentioned on either side of the political spectrum are completely full of crap, and equally useless.

 

[Revoltingest]

They are, whether he likes it or not, part of his constituents. And using neutral language with them is at least telling of his priorities. He's gotten more angry at a clothing store for not carrying his family's clothing line than at violent white supremacists.
Even Fox is checking this decision:
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The more I consider this, the more I think Trump handled it properly.
(It's about time that he handled something well.)
The important thing is to condemn wrongful acts, & to urge peace.
To attack a group, not all of whom are so violent is the high road.
Nazis are a among many groups I oppose, eg, communists, socialists,
theocrats, Nation Of Islam, National Lawyers Association, BLM.
But I won't condemn entire groups (except perhaps for the lawyers)
for the wrongful actions of a few. The country comprises many factions,
& civil discourse is the way to cope & influence each other.

 

[Revoltingest]

Honestly, most of them are law-abiding folks they just have weird ways of looking at things. They are more about white supremacy than NAZI ideology so I always find that calling them neo-nazi's is strange. (Despite the name and the goofy hand jive, they have have nothing to do with national socialism, which the democrats and their friends have more in common with.. )

I actually find nothing wrong with racial pride, as long as it is only that - you know, just being proud of where you came from. Once it's weaponized like it is with any of the groups I've mentioned (including the white supremacists), it leaves one rather angry either way.

I honesty feel all of those groups I've mentioned on either side of the political spectrum are completely full of crap, and equally useless.

Nazis are about more than racial pride though.

 

[Quetzal]

Nazis are a among many groups I oppose, eg, communists, socialists,
theocrats, Nation Of Islam, National Lawyers Association, BLM.

I am thankful my fictional space agency did not make the list!

 

[esmith]

Does this help?
Trump condemns ‘white supremacists,’ vows ‘justice will be delivered’ in Charlottesville attack
followed by
Trump condemns ‘white supremacists,’ vows ‘justice will be delivered’ in Charlottesville attack

 

[Revoltingest]

I am thankful my fictional space agency did not make the list!

Almost.
It & NAMBLA got the ax in the interest of clarity.

 

[Quetzal]

Does this help?
Trump condemns ‘white supremacists,’ vows ‘justice will be delivered’ in Charlottesville attack

DANG IT! I had the link ready and you stole my glory!

 

[Quetzal]

Almost.
It & NAMBLA got the ax in the interest of clarity.

Ouch, bro!

 

[Quetzal]

Does this help?
Trump condemns ‘white supremacists,’ vows ‘justice will be delivered’ in Charlottesville attack

But seriously, I think this is a fine response, Trump or not.

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

No one should give Trump credit for what Sessions and Pence have the balls to say. Trump can easily fix this by directly calling out all White Supremacists as being unwelcome in this country. But, he refuses to do so.

And, just to be clear, they can legally have the right to be here and speak their beliefs without being welcome.

But BLM and AntiFa..you know, the ones that tend to riot and loot whenever they gather in numbers greater than two..should be totally welcome right?

 

[Mindmaster]

Yeah, those people nowhere near a Neo-Nazi car until he sped down the road into them were clearly provoking him to do so and they should have some of the blame for being there and counter-protesting ****ing neo-nazi.

Come to think, 'The Nazi are mostly peaceful we should just leave them alone' is kind of a good summary of how lots of people died.

What We Know About James Alex Fields, Driver Charged in Charlottesville Killing

The important part:

“The driver of the vehicle that hit counterprotesters today was, in no way, a member of Vanguard America,” the group said in a statement on its Twitter account. “All our members had been safely evacuated by the time of the incident. The shields seen do not denote membership, nor does the white shirt. The shirts were freely handed out to anyone in attendance.”

This statement jives with everything I've heard about the incident, that the white power groups pulled all of their people out after law enforcement requests. The only people remaining were antifas and other progressive groups that were unlawful assembled.

It's important to know that it's not illegal to be a member of a white supremacist group, so I have no reason to believe they are lying about it.

NAZI means National Socialism, in another language, so... Yeah, that's what the left is doing.

 

[Revoltingest]

Ouch, bro!

That wasn't intended to equate the two.
The NAPALA (N Americastanian Planet Asteroid Love Association) is far far far less evil.

 

[sun rise]

They are, whether he likes it or not, part of his constituents. And using neutral language with them is at least telling of his priorities. He's gotten more angry at a clothing store for not carrying his family's clothing line than at violent white supremacists.
Even Fox is checking this decision:
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There are 2 groups that he does not criticize - he praises Putin for taking action against us and nazis. The south lost the Civil War; the Nazis lost WWII and they're going to lose again along with that serpent in the White House.

 

[leibowde84]

Obama would have never left the golf course, re: Dallas.

Trump plays more golf than Obama. And, Obama would have been quick to come out and condemn white supremacy. After huge blowback, Trump finally just came around and called out the KKK, white supremacists, and nazis by name. I credit him for that, and I hope he sticks to that.

Honestly, the Gov. of VA was the best. Racists, neo-nazis, the KKK, and any other racist, sexist, homophobic, etc. groups are not welcome in the U.S. They are, of course, legally permitted to be here. But, they aren't welcome, and they aren't wanted (except by their own members and politicians who count on their votes). David Duke made it pretty clear to Trump.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

The important thing is to condemn wrongful acts, & to urge peace.

Condemning hateful organizations isn't wrongful, nor violent. Name them. Voice your disapproval. Like we are doing now. Why can't the president do the same?

 

[sun rise]

Honestly, most of them are law-abiding folks they just have weird ways of looking at things. They are more about white supremacy than NAZI ideology so I always find that calling them neo-nazi's is strange. (Despite the name and the goofy hand jive, they have have nothing to do with national socialism, which the democrats and their friends have more in common with.. )

I actually find nothing wrong with racial pride, as long as it is only that - you know, just being proud of where you came from. Once it's weaponized like it is with any of the groups I've mentioned (including the white supremacists), it leaves one rather angry either way.

I honesty feel all of those groups I've mentioned on either side of the political spectrum are completely full of crap, and equally useless.

To me hating me for my religion of birth is not "weird" -it's evil. Theirs will be the whirlwind.

 

[DavidFirth]

He obviously has absolutely no problem calling people and groups out personally on Twitter and using very harsh, insulting language. Why does he refuse to do so when it comes to White Supremacists, Nazis, the alt-right, etc.?

Why don't you ask him? Nobody on here is named Trump as far as I know.

 

[leibowde84]

Of course they are, it is politically safe to do so but that still doesn't answer the question of why should Trump single out the group of people that were attempting to have a peaceful demonstration.

Because they started the violence, and they are Nazis. They brought semi-automatic rifles to a "peaceful protest"? The nazis were throwing bottles and assaulting clergymen at a peaceful protest? A nazi drove his car into a crowd of people peacefully? Nazis were macing people who were counter-protesting peacefully?

It seemed as though they thought they would be able to hold a white supremacist rally without being ridiculed. If they thought that was going to happen or even that it would be reasonable, they are extremely stupid. Any white supremacy rally should be met with immense ridicule. Not violence, of course, but extreme ridicule and embarrassment.

 

[leibowde84]

I assume he didn't at the time know all of the groups involved. There were 5 or 6 from the right and at least 3 from the left. I mostly blame the police. They should have been there to keep these folks separated. The folks who Trump praised escorted one group into the midst of the other group and left.

Shields, bats, mace, bottles filled with rocks. Everyone involved should have been disarmed at the very least. I heard someone say the police said it was too dangerous for them to be there. Well, who's fault was that.

Either they were really stupid, or they wanted this violence to take place. Trump's failure was in not calling out the Mayor and Chief of Police in Charlottesville.

All of this is true. But, Trump should have condemned racism and white supremacy right away. The VA Gov. did it really well. They are not welcome in our country. Legally they are permitted, but they are not welcome. The rest of the country doesn't want them here.