leibowde84
Veteran Member
The Nazies certainly apprecieated Trump not denouncing them. They came out and applauded Trump for not calling them out ... which he refused to do. He kept their votes.
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Why Does Trump Refuse to Call Out Nazis in Charlottesville?
- Thread starter leibowde84
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He didn't call out antifa either, and the reason why is simple: He's not going to restore order through provoking enmity or stoking the fire.
You should be happy that he at least came out and denounced the violence on both sides, since that was far better than anything Clinton or Obama would have done, lol.
I don't know. His remarks were watered down, although Pence apparently gave a stronger condemnation. Sessions also came under fire for being dilatory in announcing the investigation into the car-ramming incident. I think the Administration may come under more fire if they don't get ahead of this and launch a federal investigation into what happened at Charlottesville.
I'm just not sure what to make of all of this. My understanding is that the whole thing started over the proposed removal of a statue of Robert E. Lee. Then suddenly violence breaks out.
leibowde84
Veteran Member
Nope. Clinton and Obama would have most certainly, 100%, would have come out and denounced the violence and rhetoric from White Supremacists. Why on earth would you incorrectly assume that they wouldn't. They did so on many occasions.
Trump repeatedly called out Obama for not using the term "Islamic Extremism", yet he is afraid to call out White Supremacists specifically? It seems like every other politician is ready and willing to.
I don't condemn neo-nazi's for the same reason that I don't condemn anyone else - there are non-violent people in any group and the violent ones are a small percentage. I don't agree with their ideology, but they have a right to exist so only as they aren't harming anyone. As much right as antifa, blm, the new black panther party, la raza, and the muslim brotherhood shell groups, lol.
I think it's funny really in that there are never actually reports of neo-nazis causing any violence until antifas start attacking them in public and they have to defend themselves. Maybe our focus is on the wrong group of troublemakers...
leibowde84
Veteran Member
White supremacists started throwing bottles, brandishing firearms, and using mace on counter-protesters. Then the nazi drove a car into a crowd.
Honestly, the reconstruction era statutes were merely a way for white people at the time to show black people they were still in charge. They should be put into a museum. If you just read the Cornerstone Speech from the Vice President of the Confederacy, it becomes abundantly clear what the confederacy was about:
"Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth. This truth has been slow in the process of its development, like all other truths in the various departments of science."
Yup, and not only was he the only major politician to do that, that is the problem.
leibowde84
Veteran Member
No one should give Trump credit for what Sessions and Pence have the balls to say. Trump can easily fix this by directly calling out all White Supremacists as being unwelcome in this country. But, he refuses to do so.
And, just to be clear, they can legally have the right to be here and speak their beliefs without being welcome.
leibowde84
Veteran Member
This was the problem. He had an easy opportunity to call out White Supremacy as despicable and unamerican, yet he refused to do so. It seems as though he is more concerned with not losing racist votes than doing the right thing.
Stanyon
WWMRD?
Of course they are, it is politically safe to do so but that still doesn't answer the question of why should Trump single out the group of people that were attempting to have a peaceful demonstration.
I assume he didn't at the time know all of the groups involved. There were 5 or 6 from the right and at least 3 from the left. I mostly blame the police. They should have been there to keep these folks separated. The folks who Trump praised escorted one group into the midst of the other group and left.
Shields, bats, mace, bottles filled with rocks. Everyone involved should have been disarmed at the very least. I heard someone say the police said it was too dangerous for them to be there. Well, who's fault was that.
Either they were really stupid, or they wanted this violence to take place. Trump's failure was in not calling out the Mayor and Chief of Police in Charlottesville.
Yeah, those people nowhere near a Neo-Nazi car until he sped down the road into them were clearly provoking him to do so and they should have some of the blame for being there and counter-protesting ****ing neo-nazi.
Come to think, 'The Nazi are mostly peaceful we should just leave them alone' is kind of a good summary of how lots of people died.
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Even when Nazis aren't violent, I still condemn them for what they advocate.
But violent ones are the worst.
Yeah, that's a good oldie.
They are, whether he likes it or not, part of his constituents. And using neutral language with them is at least telling of his priorities. He's gotten more angry at a clothing store for not carrying his family's clothing line than at violent white supremacists.
Even Fox is checking this decision:
Even Fox is checking this decision:
Stanyon
WWMRD?
Why not specifically call out the ones actually violating civil rights and perpetrating violence upon a peacefully gathered group? Reminds me of the babies cant chew steak so we must get rid of steaks argument.
You forfeit the peaceful demonstration defense when you use a vehicle as a weapon and arrive armed with mace and assault rifles. I am not buyin it!