Why doesnt god kill Satan?

[Eliot Wild]

Why doesn't God kill Satan?

For the same reason He hasn't destroyed mankind.

Which is?

I certainly don't mean to be offensive or disrespectful, but your response doesn't answer the question. You have failed to explain 'Why' God doesn't kill Satan, only indicating that his reasoning also extends mercy to mankind as well.

So, the question still on the table, so to speak, is 'Why doesn't God kill Satan'?

 

[Beaudreaux]

Why doesn't God kill Satan?

For the same reason He hasn't destroyed mankind.

He loves Satan and wants him to be redeemed?

 

[Midnight Pete]

He loves Satan and wants him to be redeemed?

No, I think it's because God has chosen to use the devil according to His own purpose. It's too late for any of the fallen to be redeemed but they all understand that they will face judgement at the end of time. The Book of Job is probably the best example of how Satan is kind of like a viciuous pitbull dog whom God keeps on a chain. And becauser it's on a chain, there's a limit as to how much damage it can do.

 

[waitasec]

No, I think it's because God has chosen to use the devil according to His own purpose. It's too late for any of the fallen to be redeemed but they all understand that they will face judgement at the end of time. The Book of Job is probably the best example of how Satan is kind of like a viciuous pitbull dog whom God keeps on a chain. And becauser it's on a chain, there's a limit as to how much damage it can do.

but why are we to face judgment?

would you ever tell you children, "sorry, no matter how hard you try you won't ever be good enough for me unless you bow down to my will while i live through you vicariously. and if you don't let me live through you then you will be separated form me forever"

this is essentially what this god in the christian bible is saying to his children

christians speak of unconditional love and that he has given us free will
but that very same free will is what condemns us...





why doesn't god kill satan?
well the way i look at it is; if god didn't have satan then god would be god...
fear is what will keep people in line.

 

[Beaudreaux]

No, I think it's because God has chosen to use the devil according to His own purpose. It's too late for any of the fallen to be redeemed but they all understand that they will face judgement at the end of time. The Book of Job is probably the best example of how Satan is kind of like a viciuous pitbull dog whom God keeps on a chain. And becauser it's on a chain, there's a limit as to how much damage it can do.

Why does God limit the damage Satan can do? Are Satan's actions bad?

 

[waitasec]

Why does God limit the damage Satan can do? Are Satan's actions bad?

:biglaugh:

 

[InvestigateTruth]

Hello, I just wanted to explain Baha'i belief regarding Satan, as I am a Baha'i.
According to Baha'i scriptures, the verses of Bible are 2 types. one type is perspicuous, which it's meaning is literal. The other type is Figurative, which are verse that teaches something with a symbolic language.
Based on the Baha'i scriptures the Satan is to be interpreted symbolicly and not to be taken literal. Therefore Satan does not really exist phisically, and it is not a spirite, but rather it's the temptation of human's self.
As Baha'ullah says: "the motive-force of the whisperings of selfish desire"

 

[URAVIP2ME]

As Baha'ullah says: "the motive-force of the whisperings of selfish desire"

James [1vs13-15] agrees that the bad motivating force is having wrong or selfish desires.

James wrote that each one is is tried by being drawn out and enticed by his won desire. Then the desire, when it has become fertile, gives birth to sin; in turn, sin, when it has been accomplished, brings forth death.

James words apply to both spirit creation and human creation.
Both can be drawn out and enticed by one's own desire.
How can a symbolic creation have a desire, selfish or otherwise?

 

[Etritonakin]

Why does God limit the damage Satan can do? Are Satan's actions bad?

Please note that in the book of Job, that is exactly what God does....

Job 1:8 And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?
Job 1:9 Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought? Job 1:10 Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land. Job 1:11 But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face.
Job 1:12 And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD.

The action is bad, but can be employed to work good in beings' spirits -then all that was destroyed can be renewed. It is the ruin or health of a being's spirit that is most important to focus on -the ruin or health of the environment is secondary -and is a result of the former.

Also, Christ overcame sin, and Satan's temptation. To say Christ overcame Satan might give the wrong impression. Satan and the demons had long since been restrained -doing only as God allows. Satan had attempted a coup (probably from earth, as he said to himself "I will ascend above the heights of the clouds, I will be like the most high") along with the demons he turned even before he was present in Eden. It was put down, and they were restrained. It is not ours to say that there is no hope for Satan -but neither is it wise to consider him too much, as it is specified that he does not have our best interest at heart at this time. It is written that even angels do not accuse or judge him, but say "The Lord rebuke thee".... (Jude 1:9).
It is written that the demons await judgment -and that while God's longsuffering still waited, the being which became Christ went by the spirit and preached to them (I Peter 3 18-20) Some believe verse refers to spirits of men in purgatory -it does not -it refers to ...
Jud 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. It is specified that Satan will eventrually be cast into the lake of fire -but it is not specified how God will eventually judge all the demons. All men who have ever lived, and who are not resurrected to the first resurrection at Christ's return, will be resurrected to the "judgment", and be judged according to their works. Though some may never have heard of God -if they did good works -and did not do evil works, they will fare well.

 

[Etritonakin]

He loves Satan and wants him to be redeemed?

God is love. The choice is Satan's, but why would not God want this if at all possible?

The following are addressed to Israel, but this is his attitude...

Eze 33:11 Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

Luk 13:34 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee; how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen doth gather her brood under her wings, and ye would not!

 

[InvestigateTruth]

How can a symbolic creation have a desire, selfish or otherwise?

By symbolic, I didn't mean, a symbolic creation. I meant a "metaphor". What I meant was, that a greate amount of writings in the bible is not to be interpreted literally. But rather to interprete them symbolically to understand their inward meaning.
For example Jesus said: one of the signs of His return is that stars will fall upon the earth.

The stars are endless and innumerable, and modern mathematicians have established and proved scientifically that the globe of the sun is estimated to be about one million and a half times greater than the earth, and each of the fixed stars to be a thousand times larger than the sun. If these stars were to fall upon the surface of the earth, how could they find place there? It would be as though a thousand million of Himalaya mountains were to fall upon a grain of mustard seed. According to reason and science this thing is quite impossible. What is even more strange is that Christ said: “Perhaps I shall come when you are yet asleep, for the coming of the Son of man is like the coming of a thief.”
It is clear and evident that these signs have symbolic signification, and that they are not literal.

in the same way when Bible talks about Satan, we should realize it has an inward meaning, and not to be taken literal. By the story of Satan, The Bilble wants to teach us not to be selfish and after our own desires. and not to try to advance ourself over others. But rather be a service to mankind.

 

[Beaudreaux]

Please note that in the book of Job, that is exactly what God does....

...

The action is bad, but can be employed to work good in beings' spirits

So, does God only allow Satan to do bad that works good in beings' spirits?

 

[Midnight Pete]

So, does God only allow Satan to do bad that works good in beings' spirits?

I think so. It's how the sheep are separated from the goats. The sheep will naturally want to follow their Shepherd, but the goats will naturally want to stray. And there is one who causes the goats to stray just as there is one who causes them to remain in one flock.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

I think so. It's how the sheep are separated from the goats. The sheep will naturally want to follow their Shepherd, but the goats will naturally want to stray. And there is one who causes the goats to stray just as there is one who causes them to remain in one flock.

...and according to James [1vs13-15] the one that causes the one to stay or
to go astray is the person or individual himself.
-Deut 30v19; 32v5; Joshua 24v15

 

[URAVIP2ME]

By symbolic, I didn't mean, a symbolic creation. I meant a "metaphor". What I meant was, that a greate amount of writings in the bible is not to be interpreted literally. But rather to interprete them symbolically to understand their inward meaning.
For example Jesus said: one of the signs of His return is that stars will fall upon the earth.

Yes, not all in Scripture is literal as can often be discerned by context or setting.

Was Jesus replying to a "metaphor" at Matthew 4 vs4,7,10; Luke 4 vs4,8,12?

Did a metaphor talk with Eve? 1st Timothy 2v14; Gen 3v2,4

Did a metaphor talk with God? Job 1 vs8,9,12; 2 vs2,3,4,6,7

 

[InvestigateTruth]

Yes, not all in Scripture is literal as can often be discerned by context or setting.

Was Jesus replying to a "metaphor" at Matthew 4 vs4,7,10; Luke 4 vs4,8,12?

Did a metaphor talk with Eve? 1st Timothy 2v14; Gen 3v2,4

Did a metaphor talk with God? Job 1 vs8,9,12; 2 vs2,3,4,6,7

Matthew 4...the whole part is written in a metaphorical language. Matthew 4... is describing that, Jesus was not after self and worldly desires. He had a greater purpose and even He knew that He would sacrifice Himself in the path of God to teach and Guide humanity but still He wasn't tempted by any worldly desires. It shows the great power of His spirit.

Human has 2 nature. Physical and Spiritual. It is his physical nature, that has the force to go after his selfish desires. However if through the power of his spirit he can overcome the selfish desires, then he can do good, and be different from animals, otherwise not.

Same principle applies to the rest of the verses. They are all describing things with a metaphorical language.

 

[Beaudreaux]

I think so. It's how the sheep are separated from the goats. The sheep will naturally want to follow their Shepherd, but the goats will naturally want to stray. And there is one who causes the goats to stray just as there is one who causes them to remain in one flock.

So...people do not choose God or the Devil? Instead, they are "caused" to go to one or the other?

 

[Etritonakin]

So, does God only allow Satan to do bad that works good in beings' spirits?

God allows both the demons and man to do "bad". To answer your question with a "yes or no" requires modification/clarification of the question.

Overall -yes. In each case -no.

Even we humans can do bad things which have extremely undesireable effects on a being's spirit -even our own. Overall, however, we are collectively building an experience base from which to discern that obeying God is indeed a better decision than not obeying him. Individually, we can be harmed by others and harm others.
It is written that he gave the creation over to futility for a purpose -and much of what WE DO is worthless, counterproductive and harmful. We are initially quite ignorant, and few are completely innocent -but some do more harm than others. Our learning that all must universally choose to do that which is right is also his purpose -as is our realizing that only he can bring this about.

It is also written that he will make all things new and wipe away all tears -and that the former things will not be called to rememberance. All harm can be healed, and all who refuse to not harm can be taken out of the equation.

 

[Orias]

Matthew 4...the whole part is written in a metaphorical language. Matthew 4... is describing that, Jesus was not after self and worldly desires. He had a greater purpose and even He knew that He would sacrifice Himself in the path of God to teach and Guide humanity but still He wasn't tempted by any worldly desires. It shows the great power of His spirit.

Human has 2 nature. Physical and Spiritual. It is his physical nature, that has the force to go after his selfish desires. However if through the power of his spirit he can overcome the selfish desires, then he can do good, and be different from animals, otherwise not.

Same principle applies to the rest of the verses. They are all describing things with a metaphorical language.

The Spirit of Man cannot justify carnal desire.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

James [1vs13-15] agrees that the bad motivating force is having wrong or selfish desires.

How can a symbolic creation have a desire, selfish or otherwise?

A more scientific approach for analysis of Satanic behavior shows that the Satan is nothing but the Force of Selfish Desires from Human Physical nature.


SOCIOPATHY AND SERIAL MURDER
Mental health specialists seem to agree that the sadistic serial killer tends to be a
sociopath, which is a disorder of personality or character rather than of the mind. He lacks a conscience, feels no remorse, cares exclusively for his own pleasures in life, and lacks the ability to empathize with the suffering of his victims. Other people are seen by the serial killer merely as tools to fulfill his own needs and desires, no matter how perverse or reprehensible they may
be...

Complete article link:​

jacklevinonviolence.
com/articles/Normalcyofserialmurder.pdf​