Why doesn't the Bible condemn cannibalism?

[sojourner]

You cannot offend me, friend. Much love to you. God loves you and cares for you.

Good!

 

[Wharton]

@Wharton
There is no tap dancing here Wharton.I have explained to you already.You have been mislead by misconceptions based on wrong interpretations.Using your own reasoning you do not see the obvious.Another thing.You should ask yourself whether or not you state what you do because you want to prove God right, or is it to satisfy your own ego? You approached me with," Wow. A bible student that doesn't know that the Passover is the Jewish communal todah or in the Greek, Eucharist." And also, "So whether you want to tap dance about what was going on at the Last Supper, it doesn't matter.Passover is the communal Jewish todah or eucharist."

You were incorrect on both matters.

Ah no.

Passover is the Jewish communal todah. Todah or thanksgiving in Greek is Eucharist.

You're the one that stated that eucharist was not in the bible, did you not?

Here's some help for your ego.

Tanach Study Center - Korban Pesach and Korban Todah

The Korban Todah of a Nation The special laws of the korban Pesach can be understood in a similar manner, for it too is an offering of thanksgiving - not for a personal case of redemption, but rather for our national redemption.

Let's review the special laws of the korban Pesach to show how they help to create a special environment in which we can thank God. [If you are not familiar with these laws, see mishnayot Mesechet Pesachim chapter 5.]

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  a) First of all, in the time of the Bet HaMikdash, everyone was obligated to gather in Jerusalem and offer their korbanot in the Bet HaMikdash while the Leviim sang the Hallel. [That in itself is a 'national thanksgiving.']

BTW, is not your botched todah/memorial coming up soon? I call it botched because all of the people that are invited to a todah should participate. In yours, only the anointed participate. And that's certainly not biblical.

 

[Nada]

Ah no.

Passover is the Jewish communal todah. Todah or thanksgiving in Greek is Eucharist.

You're the one that stated that eucharist was not in the bible, did you not?

Here's some help for your ego.

Tanach Study Center - Korban Pesach and Korban Todah

The Korban Todah of a Nation The special laws of the korban Pesach can be understood in a similar manner, for it too is an offering of thanksgiving - not for a personal case of redemption, but rather for our national redemption.

Let's review the special laws of the korban Pesach to show how they help to create a special environment in which we can thank God. [If you are not familiar with these laws, see mishnayot Mesechet Pesachim chapter 5.]

• 
  a) First of all, in the time of the Bet HaMikdash, everyone was obligated to gather in Jerusalem and offer their korbanot in the Bet HaMikdash while the Leviim sang the Hallel. [That in itself is a 'national thanksgiving.']

BTW, is not your botched todah/memorial coming up soon? I call it botched because all of the people that are invited to a todah should participate. In yours, only the anointed participate. And that's certainly not biblical.

No.

 

[Harmonious]

No.

To which?

 

[Wharton]

No.

You did. And your facts are wrong.

Here's your post on Page 1 of the thread.

"This practice is never mentioned in the holy scriptures.Neither is Eucharist.It was put into place in the 1300's.That is a fact."

Remember that when you unbiblically exclude some of your invited guests from your eucharist/thanksgiving/todah this week.

 

[Nada]

You did. And your facts are wrong.

Here's your post on Page 1 of the thread.

"This practice is never mentioned in the holy scriptures.Neither is Eucharist.It was put into place in the 1300's.That is a fact."

Remember that when you unbiblically exclude some of your invited guests from your eucharist/thanksgiving/todah this week.

"This practice is never mentioned in the holy scriptures...."

The Eucharist today and Transubstantiation are made up traditional practices that have no biblical backing.The RCC teaches that a miraculous event takes place and Jesus body literally transforms.This is all false.

1. Transubstantiation (in Latin, transsubstantiatio, in Greek μετουσίωσις metousiosis) is the change whereby, according to the teaching of the Catholic Church, the bread and the wine used in the sacrament of the Eucharist become, not merely as by a sign or a figure, but also in actual reality the body and blood of Christ.
   
   Definition: ``Transubstantiation'' is the official Roman Catholic concept referring to the change that takes place during the sacrament of Holy Communion . . . christianity.about.com
   
   The ``Real Presence'' is the term referring to Christ's actual presence in the elements of the bread and the wine that have been transubstantiated. carm.org
   Explore: Real presence of Christ in the Eucharist
   
   Google
   
   
   When Jesus established the new covenant with his disciples that night, Jesus was still alive, and breathing.How could the emblems really become Jesus' literal flesh if he was still alive?
   
   Another thing.Eating human flesh is cannibalism.Gods law specifically says not to eat human flesh or blood.
   
   
   The emblems used are symbolic.They represent the body of Christ, and the blood that was poured out.It is not literal.No miracles happen.
   Luke 22:19, 20
   
   
   I will not exclude anyone.People do what they want.I know what I must do.I do not participate in babylonian style idol worship.I will be attending the memorial service on Nisan 14th after twilight around 7:30 pm,which is this friday April 3rd.The Month of Abib.
   I will not partake for I am not one of those anointed ones, such as the 1st century christians,like the disciples who walked with Christ.
   I am but a observer and I will pay my respects to God, and His Son, who gave his life for all of mankind.It will open with prayer first.I will pass the bread along with everyone else, after we read from the holy scriptures.We will read again and then pass the wine.It is a simple process.About 45 minutes total.

 

[Nada]

Ah no.

Passover is the Jewish communal todah. Todah or thanksgiving in Greek is Eucharist.

You're the one that stated that eucharist was not in the bible, did you not?

Here's some help for your ego.

Tanach Study Center - Korban Pesach and Korban Todah

The Korban Todah of a Nation The special laws of the korban Pesach can be understood in a similar manner, for it too is an offering of thanksgiving - not for a personal case of redemption, but rather for our national redemption.

Let's review the special laws of the korban Pesach to show how they help to create a special environment in which we can thank God. [If you are not familiar with these laws, see mishnayot Mesechet Pesachim chapter 5.]

• 
  a) First of all, in the time of the Bet HaMikdash, everyone was obligated to gather in Jerusalem and offer their korbanot in the Bet HaMikdash while the Leviim sang the Hallel. [That in itself is a 'national thanksgiving.']

BTW, is not your botched todah/memorial coming up soon? I call it botched because all of the people that are invited to a todah should participate. In yours, only the anointed participate. And that's certainly not biblical.

Your speech and hidden insults are hilarious.It's amazing you think the way you do, and do not see your error.It's fine....

You seem to forget that although Jesus was Jew, and did follow the customs,he did not establish the new covenant, and die for the Jews,or a literal nation.He died for all of mankind.So even though Jesus did die on Nisan 14th,as a Jew,this does not mean it is a Jewish custom.The last supper, or memorial service, has no ethnic background.It is a custom that has no colors.It belongs to those who do Gods will.Spiritual Jews.
The links you give me speak of Jews thinking that a literal nation is salvation.The ancient Jews of Jesus' time are the ones who gave him up to be killed, and do not accept Jesus period.The Jews today are still awaiting the first coming,while Christians await the second coming.

Ps.You are still making the mistake of taking a word in Greek that means gratitude and thanks,and making it something it is not.In this case an entire practice called "The Eucharist" and "Transubstantiation." Jesus blessed and prayed.He passed emblems that represented his body.
While he was still alive.There was no miraculous transformation of the bread and wine.It is all made up by those who use their own superstitious reasonings and thinking.It is all symbolic.Not literal.

 

[Wharton]

"This practice is never mentioned in the holy scriptures...."

The Eucharist today and Transubstantiation are made up traditional practices that have no biblical backing.The RCC teaches that a miraculous event takes place and Jesus body literally transforms.This is all false.

1. Transubstantiation (in Latin, transsubstantiatio, in Greek μετουσίωσις metousiosis) is the change whereby, according to the teaching of the Catholic Church, the bread and the wine used in the sacrament of the Eucharist become, not merely as by a sign or a figure, but also in actual reality the body and blood of Christ.
   
   Definition: ``Transubstantiation'' is the official Roman Catholic concept referring to the change that takes place during the sacrament of Holy Communion . . . christianity.about.com
   
   The ``Real Presence'' is the term referring to Christ's actual presence in the elements of the bread and the wine that have been transubstantiated. carm.org
   Explore: Real presence of Christ in the Eucharist
   
   Google
   
   
   When Jesus established the new covenant with his disciples that night, Jesus was still alive, and breathing.How could the emblems really become Jesus' literal flesh if he was still alive?
   
   Another thing.Eating human flesh is cannibalism.Gods law specifically says not to eat human flesh or blood.
   
   
   The emblems used are symbolic.They represent the body of Christ, and the blood that was poured out.It is not literal.No miracles happen.
   Luke 22:19, 20
   
   
   I will not exclude anyone.People do what they want.I know what I must do.I do not participate in babylonian style idol worship.I will be attending the memorial service on Nisan 14th after twilight around 7:30 pm,which is this friday April 3rd.The Month of Abib.
   I will not partake for I am not one of those anointed ones, such as the 1st century christians,like the disciples who walked with Christ.
   I am but a observer and I will pay my respects to God, and His Son, who gave his life for all of mankind.It will open with prayer first.I will pass the bread along with everyone else, after we read from the holy scriptures.We will read again and then pass the wine.It is a simple process.About 45 minutes total.

Nice tap dance again.

You stated eucharist is not in the bible. Eucharist is Greek for todah. What don't you understand about that simple translation? The todah is all through the Old and New Testaments.

BTW, if we read scripture in the NWT, Paul states that the 'memorial' will be done until Jesus comes. Since Jesus came in 1914, according to the JW's, why are you planning to attend a memorial that is no longer required as per scripture? Also, if you continue reading in 1st Corinthians 10 to 11, paying attention to the 'cups,' you will see that even the NWT states Jesus is Jehovah.

 

[Wharton]

Your speech and hidden insults are hilarious.It's amazing you think the way you do, and do not see your error.It's fine....

You seem to forget that although Jesus was Jew, and did follow the customs,he did not establish the new covenant, and die for the Jews,or a literal nation.He died for all of mankind.So even though Jesus did die on Nisan 14th,as a Jew,this does not mean it is a Jewish custom.The last supper, or memorial service, has no ethnic background.It is a custom that has no colors.It belongs to those who do Gods will.Spiritual Jews.
The links you give me speak of Jews thinking that a literal nation is salvation.The ancient Jews of Jesus' time are the ones who gave him up to be killed, and do not accept Jesus period.The Jews today are still awaiting the first coming,while Christians await the second coming.

Ps.You are still making the mistake of taking a word in Greek that means gratitude and thanks,and making it something it is not.In this case an entire practice called "The Eucharist" and "Transubstantiation." Jesus blessed and prayed.He passed emblems that represented his body.
While he was still alive.There was no miraculous transformation of the bread and wine.It is all made up by those who use their own superstitious reasonings and thinking.It is all symbolic.Not literal.

So 13 Orthodox Jews in a room participating in a Jewish todah/Passover is not ethnic? What a hoot.

Let me help you out. Todah=Thank Offering. Eucharist=Thank Offering. See it yet?

BTW, Jews don't eat emblems or symbols. They eat the sacrifice. There will be no 'symbolic' Passover lamb consumed at Passover.

 

[Wharton]

I will not exclude anyone.People do what they want.I know what I must do.I do not participate in babylonian style idol worship.I will be attending the memorial service on Nisan 14th after twilight around 7:30 pm,which is this friday April 3rd.The Month of Abib.

Of course you participate in Babylonian style idol worship. When you attend that memorial service on April 3rd, you will be committing idolatry.

In the Thank Offering or Passover todah that Jesus was leading in the upper room, Jesus replaces God as the object of thanks in the Thank Offering when he states to "Do this in memory of me."

The Thank Offering thanks God for his saving actions. JW beliefs have Jesus, as a man only, replacing God as the object of the Thank Offering/Passover.

I think that a man who replaces God as the object of thanks constitutes idolatry. How about you?

 

[Nada]

Nice tap dance again.

You stated eucharist is not in the bible. Eucharist is Greek for todah. What don't you understand about that simple translation? The todah is all through the Old and New Testaments.

BTW, if we read scripture in the NWT, Paul states that the 'memorial' will be done until Jesus comes. Since Jesus came in 1914, according to the JW's, why are you planning to attend a memorial that is no longer required as per scripture? Also, if you continue reading in 1st Corinthians 10 to 11, paying attention to the 'cups,' you will see that even the NWT states Jesus is Jehovah.

First,you are still not comprehending, because you have been mislead.
Second you need to understand what the difference is between the 1914 prophecy and the coming of Christ in the end times.
According to the holy scriptures,Jesus does not appear literally on earth in the year 1914.The year 1914 is the end date of the Gentile Times or better known as "the appointed times of the nations." This is the period of time that no one would rule on Gods throne as did King David.The last of these Kings was King Zedekiah.So with the destruction of Jerusalem in 607 B.C.E. and King Zedekiah taken prisoner,this left Jehovahs throne on earth vacant as prophesied.It was judgment declared on the people of Jerusalem by God.God used his anointed vessel King Nebuchadnezzar of The Great Empire of Babylon.This is the time that Daniel,Hananiah,Mishael and Azariah,who later became known as,Belteshazzar,Shadrach Meshack and Abednego, were also taken prisoners and Daniel became a lamp for Jehovah and great prophet.Many important visions and dates were disclosed in the book of Daniel.We learn that this period of time known as" the appointed times of the nations" is a period of 2,520 years according to the 7x's prophecy.If you go forward in time from 607 B.C.E. 2,520 years,you come to the year 1914 A.D.

So from 607 B.C.E. to 1914 is 2,520 years.So this means that Jesus will take Gods throne temporarily from the end of the 2,520 year prophecy, which started in 1914 A.D. , according to scripture, and ends with the climax known in the holy scriptures as the Great Day of Jehovah.
Also known as Armageddon.The end of this wicked system of things.When all is accomplished and the wicked are destroyed,a 1,000 year reign is to take place.After this 1,000 year reign of peace on earth,Satan will be released from the Abyss one last time and will tempt the people of the earth that survived the climax and resurrected ones.Those who choose to disobey God and follow satan will be destroyed forever.This is the second death.The eternal lake of fire.Meaning total destruction.Jesus hands over the Kingdom back to Jehovah and Jesus Christ sits at the right hand of God.

So this 1914 prophecy is not the arrival of Jesus Christ in the flesh here on earth.It is Jesus taking rule,command in heaven,and this is when satan and the other angels that rebelled against God were cast down to earth which brings me to an important point.

PAY CLOSE ATTENTION


What important world changing event happened in 1914? World War I happened.Almost overnight with the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria and his wife.This sparked the war, and the entire world was fighting.New warfare was introduced.Gas,chemicals,flame throwers,planes,tanks,machine guns,land mines etc.. It was like the world went nuts overnight and just started killing each other off.This coincides with what is in scripture.Satan and the angels were cast down when Jesus took command in Heaven, and satan knows his time is short, so he walks around like a lion ready to devour.This is what is occurring still today since then.I mean heavy! About 100 million lost their lives to WWI and WWII.There was more blood shed in the 20th century then all 19 centuries before combined.It continues to get even more worse towards the climax and this is what we are seeing today.


As to your last comment.No Wharton,Jesus is not Jehovah.Jesus is a MIGHTY GOD.Jehovah is the ALMIGHTY GOD.
There is a huge difference between MIGHTY and ALMIGHTY.

Mighty: possessing great and impressive power or strength,

Almighty:having complete power; omnipotent:God almighty.• (the Almighty)a name or title for God:


God is eternal.He has no beginning.Jesus was created and is called the firstborn over all creation.Firstborn means born first.The Almighty God was not born.Jesus Christ is Jehovahs first creation and Son.Who do you think Jehovah was talking to in the garden of Eden when man was being created? It was Jesus, but in his spirit form, before he was flesh later on in the NT.Jesus was like a master worker along side Jehovah when he was creating everything.

Genesis 1:26. "Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness,.."

 

[Nada]

So 13 Orthodox Jews in a room participating in a Jewish todah/Passover is not ethnic? What a hoot.

Let me help you out. Todah=Thank Offering. Eucharist=Thank Offering. See it yet?

BTW, Jews don't eat emblems or symbols. They eat the sacrifice. There will be no 'symbolic' Passover lamb consumed at Passover.

You still do not understand because your mind is set on your own reasoning and thinking instead of what is presented in scripture.The Passover meal was done first, according to custom,just like all other Jews did.After they ate the passover meal,which was Jewish tradition, and a command by God, after that is when Jesus established the lords evening meal.He broke the bread and passed the wine.In a sense Jesus is the passover lamb ready to be sacrificed.This new covenant is not a Jewish thing.It is spiritual.That is why Paul later speaks of spiritual Jews and circumcision of the heart.Things like Kosher laws and literal circumcision mean nothing anymore because Gods people have the laws of God written on their hearts.

You can help yourself out by stopping that behavior you are displaying on this thread.Very sarcastic.Not really nice.

Again,it is not literal Jews that matter in this new covenant.God is not partial.Nobody eats a sacrifice.It is just emblems representing Jesus' body and blood.Christians do not roast a Lamb.Jesus is the symbolic sacrificial lamb.The lamb slain in the book of Exodus foreshadowed the coming sacrificial lamb Jesus Christ.Many were spared by the pouring out of the blood of the lamb in Egypt.Jesus did the same by shedding his blood for all of mankind.It is all symbolic.Much is.

For instance....in the book of Revelation it speaks of a beast rising up.When it mentions a beast this is symbolic language for Empire or Kingdom.when it says islands it can refer to distant lands or far away kingdoms.When it says seas or waters it can sometimes refer to people or nations. just like in Revelation 17:15 Then the angel said to me, "The waters you saw, where the prostitute sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations and languages.


Also,when it says prostitute in that passage,of course it is not a literal prostitute.It speaks of the empire of false religion known as Babylon the Great.She fornicates with the nations.This does not mean literal sex.It symbolically means that the governments of this world are in bed so to speak with false religion.This is what you see today with the RCC and others backing wars.This world belongs to satan.

Anyway...Words like mountains usually refer to a Kingdom or government too.Wormwood describes poisonous waters, meaning unbiblical teachings.False doctrines of men.There are many words that are symbolic.One must come to understand Gods language in order to correctly understand Gods Word.His key words.

 

[Nada]

Of course you participate in Babylonian style idol worship. When you attend that memorial service on April 3rd, you will be committing idolatry.

In the Thank Offering or Passover todah that Jesus was leading in the upper room, Jesus replaces God as the object of thanks in the Thank Offering when he states to "Do this in memory of me."

The Thank Offering thanks God for his saving actions. JW beliefs have Jesus, as a man only, replacing God as the object of the Thank Offering/Passover.

I think that a man who replaces God as the object of thanks constitutes idolatry. How about you?

But Jesus was a man on earth and died.God can not die.Jesus is not God.It is clear in the holy scriptures.All you have to do is read it.

John 20:17 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'"

Jehovah God does not have a God! Jesus does though.By his own words,Jesus says he has a God.Jehovah takes orders from no one.He is the ALMIGHTY.Jesus takes orders from Jehovah.

 

[Nada]

@Wharton
I have to thank you for everything.I really am happy I ran into you.I was slipping away for a while lately and have not been reading the holy scriptures like I am supposed to.Since I had to show you the truth about these matters, I was able to take the plunge, and dive right into it again.It feels really good reading and studying again.I have to keep it up in order to remain sharp.Thank you!

 

[RabbiO]

One of my favorite t-shirts reads:

Let's eat Grandma

Let's eat, Grandma

Commas save lives​

 

[Wharton]

So this 1914 prophecy is not the arrival of Jesus Christ in the flesh here on earth.It is Jesus taking rule,command in heaven,and this is when satan and the other angels that rebelled against God were cast down to earth which brings me to an important point.

Who made that one up? It's not scriptural. Jesus was given all authority in heaven and on earth before he ascended to the Father.

 

[Wharton]

As to your last comment.No Wharton,Jesus is not Jehovah.Jesus is a MIGHTY GOD.Jehovah is the ALMIGHTY GOD.

• It's right in your NWT. I can't help that. Read 1 Corinthians 10 and 11. First the cup is Jesus Christ's, then the cup is Jehovah's. Jesus = Jehovah. That's what you get when you back into scripture to support a doctrine.

 

[Wharton]

The Passover meal was done first, according to custom,just like all other Jews did.After they ate the passover meal,which was Jewish tradition, and a command by God, after that is when Jesus established the lords evening meal.

Wow. That's a stretch. Where is that in scripture? Where are there two meals?
Nope. What you have according to JW doctrine is a mere man replacing God as the object of the Passover todah and telling his disciples to do the Passover in memory of him in the future and not God.

Yep, you're heading off to an idolatrous memorial to a man that commanded his disciples to replace God with himself.

The Babylonians would be proud.

 

[Nada]

Who made that one up? It's not scriptural. Jesus was given all authority in heaven and on earth before he ascended to the Father.

Yes Jesus did say that.There is a set time though for Jesus to take full command in heaven,and that is at the end of the appointed times of the nations.At the end of the 2,520 years.Not before.Jesus is in charge of the angels and his flock here on earth.He has full authority bestowed upon him by Jehovah.
Jesus has full authority over his congregation on earth.He began ruling as Messianic king in heaven after the 2,520 period.Do some thorough research.

 

[Nada]

• It's right in your NWT. I can't help that. Read 1 Corinthians 10 and 11. First the cup is Jesus Christ's, then the cup is Jehovah's. Jesus = Jehovah. That's what you get when you back into scripture to support a doctrine.

I have no idea what you are talking about.And from the sound of it,neither do you.Lol...