Why doesn't the Bible condemn cannibalism?

[Wharton]

But Jesus was a man on earth and died.God can not die.Jesus is not God.It is clear in the holy scriptures.All you have to do is read it.

John 20:17 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'"

Jehovah God does not have a God! Jesus does though.By his own words,Jesus says he has a God.Jehovah takes orders from no one.He is the ALMIGHTY.Jesus takes orders from Jehovah.

Of course Jesus has a God as his begettor, just as you have a human as your begettor. If he was just a man why didn't he state our God?

Jesus is the only begotten son. He is not created as Adam was. God did not beget Adam. Jesus is the first BORN of all creation via begetting. He is not the first CREATED of all creation. That is clear in scripture.

And yes, God as a person died on the cross. God was able to experience death, just as we all will. If God did not experience death, then humanity is not redeemed. You can't leave out one aspect of humanity from the ransom.

 

[Wharton]

Yes Jesus did say that.There is a set time though for Jesus to take full command in heaven,and that is at the end of the appointed times of the nations.At the end of the 2,520 years.Not before.Jesus is in charge of the angels and his flock here on earth.He has full authority bestowed upon him by Jehovah.
Jesus has full authority over his congregation on earth.He began ruling as Messianic king in heaven after the 2,520 period.Do some thorough research.

How can I research what's not in scripture? 2,520 years was invented by who?

 

[Wharton]

I have no idea what you are talking about.And from the sound of it,neither do you.Lol...

Of course you don't. I'll help you out.

Therefore, my beloved ones, flee from idolatry.+ 15 I speak as to men with discernment; judge for yourselves what I say. 16 The cup of blessing that we bless, is it not a sharing in the blood of the Christ?+ The loaf that we break, is it not a sharing in the body of the Christ?+ 17 Because there is one loaf, we, although many, are one body,+ for we are all partaking of that one loaf. 18 Look at Israel in the fleshly sense: Are not those who eat the sacrifices sharers with the altar?+ 19 What, then, am I saying? That what is sacrificed to an idol is anything, or that an idol is anything? 20 No; but I say that what the nations sacrifice, they sacrifice to demons and not to God;+ and I do not want you to become sharers with the demons.+ 21 You cannot be drinking the cup of Jehovah* and the cup of demons; you cannot be partaking of “the table of Jehovah”*+ and the table of demons.

So at the top, the cup belongs to Christ. By the time we get to the bottom, the cup belongs to Jehovah.
Christ = Jehovah. Christ is God. Simple reasoning.

And then we switch back to the cup belonging to Jesus.

For I received from the Lord what I also handed on to you, that the Lord Jesus on the night+ on which he was going to be betrayed took a loaf, 24 and after giving thanks, he broke it and said: “This means my body,+ which is in your behalf. Keep doing this in remembrance of me.”+ 25 He did the same with the cup+ also, after they had the evening meal, saying: “This cup means the new covenant+ by virtue of my blood.+ Keep doing this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me.”+ 26 For whenever you eat this loaf and drink this cup, you keep proclaiming the death of the Lord, until he comes.

BTW, when you attend the memorial, whose cup will you be passing? Christ's or Jehovah's?

 

[Nada]

Of course Jesus has a God as his begettor, just as you have a human as your begettor. If he was just a man why didn't he state our God?

Jesus is the only begotten son. He is not created as Adam was. God did not beget Adam. Jesus is the first BORN of all creation via begetting. He is not the first CREATED of all creation. That is clear in scripture.

And yes, God as a person died on the cross. God was able to experience death, just as we all will. If God did not experience death, then humanity is not redeemed. You can't leave out one aspect of humanity from the ransom.

Jesus does.When he says his God and your God ,that means our God.
Yes, Jesus was not created like Adam.Adam was created from the earth.Jesus was created a spirit first and then he was flesh and now is a spirit, once again.It is not clear for you yet but keep reading.

God did not die on a cross.God can not die nor can he be killed.Eternal means forever.It was Jesus that was raised by Jehovah from death.Jesus did not raise himself.

 

[Nada]

Of course you don't. I'll help you out.

Therefore, my beloved ones, flee from idolatry.+ 15 I speak as to men with discernment; judge for yourselves what I say. 16 The cup of blessing that we bless, is it not a sharing in the blood of the Christ?+ The loaf that we break, is it not a sharing in the body of the Christ?+ 17 Because there is one loaf, we, although many, are one body,+ for we are all partaking of that one loaf. 18 Look at Israel in the fleshly sense: Are not those who eat the sacrifices sharers with the altar?+ 19 What, then, am I saying? That what is sacrificed to an idol is anything, or that an idol is anything? 20 No; but I say that what the nations sacrifice, they sacrifice to demons and not to God;+ and I do not want you to become sharers with the demons.+ 21 You cannot be drinking the cup of Jehovah* and the cup of demons; you cannot be partaking of “the table of Jehovah”*+ and the table of demons.

So at the top, the cup belongs to Christ. By the time we get to the bottom, the cup belongs to Jehovah.
Christ = Jehovah. Christ is God. Simple reasoning.

And then we switch back to the cup belonging to Jesus.

For I received from the Lord what I also handed on to you, that the Lord Jesus on the night+ on which he was going to be betrayed took a loaf, 24 and after giving thanks, he broke it and said: “This means my body,+ which is in your behalf. Keep doing this in remembrance of me.”+ 25 He did the same with the cup+ also, after they had the evening meal, saying: “This cup means the new covenant+ by virtue of my blood.+ Keep doing this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me.”+ 26 For whenever you eat this loaf and drink this cup, you keep proclaiming the death of the Lord, until he comes.

BTW, when you attend the memorial, whose cup will you be passing? Christ's or Jehovah's?

No.

 

[Wharton]

No.

Yep. That's what happens when you write/change scripture in the NWT to match your doctrine. You end up with Jesus being Jehovah. Silly, huh? But it's there for all to see.

 

[Wharton]

Jesus does.When he says his God and your God ,that means our God.
Yes, Jesus was not created like Adam.Adam was created from the earth.Jesus was created a spirit first and then he was flesh and now is a spirit, once again.It is not clear for you yet but keep reading.

God did not die on a cross.God can not die nor can he be killed.Eternal means forever.It was Jesus that was raised by Jehovah from death.Jesus did not raise himself.

What don't you get. Jesus was begotten, even in the NWT. Why are you substituting created for begotten?

 

[Wharton]

Jesus does.When he says his God and your God ,that means our God.

Nope. If he meant Our God, he would have said so. Just like he said Our Father. He's making a distinction.

 

[Nada]

Yep. That's what happens when you write/change scripture in the NWT to match your doctrine. You end up with Jesus being Jehovah. Silly, huh? But it's there for all to see.

You are mistaken.

 

[Nada]

Nope. If he meant Our God, he would have said so. Just like he said Our Father. He's making a distinction.

You are again mistaken and do not know what is actually being said.

 

[Nada]

What don't you get. Jesus was begotten, even in the NWT. Why are you substituting created for begotten?

I would explain to you, but it is not really worth the time, because you are set already in your thinking.

 

[Tiapan]

The tribes of Papua-New Guinea and the South Pacific until very recently, practiced cannibalism allowing population control on small islands where resources are low. It still occurs, one tribe does it out of respect, eating there loved ones after they have died. Unfortunately, in this instance it allows a transmission of the "smiling disease" as a virus is passed on to the consumer. These societies have existed for thousands of years and are therefore valid social systems. Who are we, or for that matter the bible written for a different society in a different land for a different environment, to say this is terrible when in fact it has led to a successful long lived society.

Were the members of the soccer team that crashed in the Andes who were starving, evil when they ate parts of their dead companions to survive? Or the infamous 1846 Donner Party in the Sierra Nevada's, Evil? or just survivors?
Or the remnants of the Japanese New Guinea invasion force that resorted into cannibalism to survive at the end prior to being wiped out, driven into the sea, cut down and slaughtered mercilessly by the "Take no prisoners" AIF (Australian Infantry Forces) in 1942-3. The first Japanese land defeat of WW2 16000 Japanese troops were annihilated with only 6 taken as prisoners.

I personally find the concept of cannibalism abhorrent but in some circumstances it appears valid whether the bible condemns it or not.

 

[Wharton]

You are mistaken.

Can't reason from the scriptures when the truth is right in front of you and can't be twisted? The NWT makes Jesus equal to Jehovah. They really should have left the scripture the way everyone else translated it rather than look so foolish as to make Jesus equal to Jehovah. Maybe you should ask your JW elders why Jesus is equal to Jehovah in that passage and get back to us.

 

[Wharton]

You are again mistaken and do not know what is actually being said.

Good answer.

 

[Wharton]

I would explain to you, but it is not really worth the time, because you are set already in your thinking.

There's nothing to explain. Begotten is not created.

 

[SpeaksForTheTrees]

Galatians 5:15
But if you bite and devour one another, watch out that you are not consumed by one another.

Humans are not totaly dumb we go round eating each other is a good chance someone will come eat you.

 

[Nada]

Can't reason from the scriptures when the truth is right in front of you and can't be twisted? The NWT makes Jesus equal to Jehovah. They really should have left the scripture the way everyone else translated it rather than look so foolish as to make Jesus equal to Jehovah. Maybe you should ask your JW elders why Jesus is equal to Jehovah in that passage and get back to us.

You are truly mistaken.The holy scriptures never makes Jesus and Jehovah equal.One is the giver of authority to the other.Jesus always says it is the Father that gives and the Father that commands.Jesus was sent.

John 5:30
By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me.

John 6:38
For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me.

John 8:28
So Jesus said, "When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am he and that I do nothing on my own but speak just what the Father has taught me.

John 12:49
For I did not speak on my own, but the Father who sent me commanded me to say all that I have spoken.

John 12:50
I know that his command leads to eternal life. So whatever I say is just what the Father has told me to say."


WHOS WILL DOES IT SAY?

Matthew 26:39
Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, "My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will."

The Almighty God Jehovah does not fall down to his face and pray to a GOD.Jehovah is God the Almighty,not Jesus.It was Jesus who fell and prayed to his Father Jehovah.Jesus says he is doing Gods will.Jesus was even asking God permission to remove the cup,meaning the task at hand,because the time was growing near and he was scared.

So you can clearly see in scripture that it is Jehovah God that commands and instructs.Jesus is His representative.

 

[Nada]

Good answer.

Thanks

 

[Wharton]

You are truly mistaken.The holy scriptures never makes Jesus and Jehovah equal.One is the giver of authority to the other.Jesus always says it is the Father that gives and the Father that commands.Jesus was sent.

John 5:30
By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me.

John 6:38
For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me.

John 8:28
So Jesus said, "When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am he and that I do nothing on my own but speak just what the Father has taught me.

John 12:49
For I did not speak on my own, but the Father who sent me commanded me to say all that I have spoken.

John 12:50
I know that his command leads to eternal life. So whatever I say is just what the Father has told me to say."

WHOS WILL DOES IT SAY?

Matthew 26:39
Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, "My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will."

The Almighty God Jehovah does not fall down to his face and pray to a GOD.Jehovah is God the Almighty,not Jesus.It was Jesus who fell and prayed to his Father Jehovah.Jesus says he is doing Gods will.Jesus was even asking God permission to remove the cup,meaning the task at hand,because the time was growing near and he was scared.

So you can clearly see in scripture that it is Jehovah God that commands and instructs.Jesus is His representative.

WHAT DOES YOUR NWT SAY?

I'll repeat it for you since you don't want to see it..

"No; but I say that what the nations sacrifice, they sacrifice to demons and not to God;+ and I do not want you to become sharers with the demons.+ 21 You cannot be drinking the cup of Jehovah* and the cup of demons; you cannot be partaking of “the table of Jehovah”*+ and the table of demons."

The cup of Christ is the cup of Jehovah. Christ is God. It's right there in front of you in the NWT. Reason away.

 

[Nada]

There's nothing to explain. Begotten is not created.

You are mistaken.
Begotten/beget verb1 literary he begat a son: father, sire, have, bring into the world, give life to, bring into being, spawn.

2 violence begets violence: cause, give rise to, lead to, result in, bring about, create, produce, generate, engender, spawn, occasion, bring on, precipitate, prompt, provoke, kindle, trigger, spark off, touch off, stir up, whip up, induce, inspire, promote; literary enkindle.

You need to full understand what is really being said Wharton.


The angels of heaven are sons of God even as Adam was a “son of God.” (Ge 6:2; Job 1:6; 38:7; Lu 3:38) But the Lo′gos, later called Jesus, is “the only-begotten Son of God.” (Joh 3:18) He is the only one of his kind, the only one whom God himself created directly without the agency or cooperation of any creature. He is the only one whom God his Father used in bringing into existence all other creatures. He is the firstborn and chief one among all other angels (Col 1:15, 16; Heb 1:5, 6), which angels the Scriptures call “godlike ones” or “gods.” (Ps 8:4, 5) Therefore, according to some of the oldest and best manuscripts, the Lord Jesus Christ is properly described as “the only-begotten god [Gr., mo·no·ge·nes′ the·os′].”—Joh 1:18, NW, Ro, Sp.

A few translations, in support of the Trinitarian “God the Son” concept, would invert the phrase mo·no·ge·nes′the·os′ and render it as “God only begotten.” But W. J. Hickie in his Greek-EnglishLexicontotheNewTestament (1956, p. 123) says it is hard to see why these translators render mo·no·ge·nes′hui·os′ as “the only begotten Son,” but at the same time translate mo·no·ge·nes′the·os′ as “God only begotten,” instead of “the only begotten God.”

Paul referred to Isaac as Abraham’s “only-begotten son” (Heb 11:17), even though Abraham also fathered Ishmael by Hagar as well as several sons by Keturah. (Ge 16:15; 25:1, 2; 1Ch 1:28, 32) God’s covenant, however, was established only through Isaac, Abraham’s only son by God’s promise, as well as the only son of Sarah. (Ge 17:16-19) Furthermore, at the time Abraham offered up Isaac, he was the only son in his father’s household. No sons had yet been born to Keturah, and Ishmael had been gone for some 20 years—no doubt was married and head of his own household.—Ge 22:2.


Only-begotten — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY