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Why Doesn't The Qur'an Call God Yhwh?

Rival

Rival

Diex Aie
Staff member
Premium Member
On the premise the the God of the Qur'an is the same as the God of all the Biblical characters, why does he never call himself Yhwh? Or 'Yahweh' as the popular transliteration has it. God uses this several times, in Isaiah 42:8 he says "I am Yahweh, that is my name, I shall not give my glory to another." There are numerous other places where this name is used or revealed in the OT. The writers of the NT used Jewish tradition and used Theos (God) or Kurios (Lord) in-stead, so it is not found there.

Why doesn't Muhammad's God reveal himself thus?
 
Princeps Eugenius

Princeps Eugenius

Active Member
Interesting. I dont know. But i have noticed that ancient Christians also didnt use the name YHWH to refer to god either. They used Theos instead, as you have pointed out already. Allah is like Theos but in arabic language.
 
Servant_of_the_One1

Servant_of_the_One1

Well-Known Member
Rival said:
On the premise the the God of the Qur'an is the same as the God of all the Biblical characters, why does he never call himself Yhwh? Or 'Yahweh' as the popular transliteration has it. God uses this several times, in Isaiah 42:8 he says "I am Yahweh, that is my name, I shall not give my glory to another." There are numerous other places where this name is used or revealed in the OT. The writers of the NT used Jewish tradition and used Theos (God) or Kurios (Lord) in-stead, so it is not found there.

Why doesn't Muhammad's God reveal himself thus?
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YWHW is not name of God.

If it was it would be mentioned in the Quran.
 
DawudTalut

DawudTalut

Peace be upon you.
Rival said:
On the premise the the God of the Qur'an is the same as the God of all the Biblical characters, why does he never call himself Yhwh? Or 'Yahweh' as the popular transliteration has it. God uses this several times, in Isaiah 42:8 he says "I am Yahweh, that is my name, I shall not give my glory to another." There are numerous other places where this name is used or revealed in the OT. The writers of the NT used Jewish tradition and used Theos (God) or Kurios (Lord) in-stead, so it is not found there.

Why doesn't Muhammad's God reveal himself thus?
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Peace be on you.
Religion continued to get evolved from Hazrat Adam (on whom be peace) and was perfected at Hazrat Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be on him).

God though being the same in its being, continued to manifest Himself.

""The proper name of God in the Arabic language is Allah. The word Allah existed among the Arabs even before Islam. To the Arabs, however, Allah was not the only God. They associated many other subordinate deities with Him. Islam abolished this polytheism and restored Godhood to One Supreme Being, Allah. While Allah is the proper name of God in the Arabic language, the general word for god or deity in Arabic is Ilah. The concept of a Supreme Being also exists in other religions and in this respect the Allah in Arabic represents:

EL of the Canaanites
ELOHIM or YAHWEH (JEHOVAH) of the Hebrews
ELAH in the Aramaic language of Jesus Christ
YAZDAN or KHUDA of the Persians
BRAHMAN in Sanskrit
DEUS in Latin
THEOS in Greek
DIEU in French
GOTT in German, and
GOD in the English language

Although the proper name of God is Allah, we know Him generally through His attributes. These attributes describe the various powers God possesses and are in fact His manifestations. God's attributes are innumerable since human intellect cannot possibly comprehend every aspect of the Supreme Being. In the Holy Quran and Hadith we are taught 99 attributes of God which are given below in alphabetical order. These are also known as al Asmaul Husna or "the Most Excellent Names". ""

More https://www.alislam.org/books/religiousknowledge/sec1.html

Sometimes Muslims say:
Ya Howa. [not in Quran]
Ya (O) Howa (He).
i.e. O He.......it is close to Yahweh.

In Quran words comes:
Ho-w-Allah
He is Allah.
 
Princeps Eugenius

Princeps Eugenius

Active Member
DawudTalut said:
Peace be on you.
Religion continued to get evolved from Hazrat Adam (on whom be peace) and was perfected at Hazrat Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be on him).

God though being the same in its being, continued to manifest Himself.

""The proper name of God in the Arabic language is Allah. The word Allah existed among the Arabs even before Islam. To the Arabs, however, Allah was not the only God. They associated many other subordinate deities with Him. Islam abolished this polytheism and restored Godhood to One Supreme Being, Allah. While Allah is the proper name of God in the Arabic language, the general word for god or deity in Arabic is Ilah. The concept of a Supreme Being also exists in other religions and in this respect the Allah in Arabic represents:

EL of the Canaanites
ELOHIM or YAHWEH (JEHOVAH) of the Hebrews
ELAH in the Aramaic language of Jesus Christ
YAZDAN or KHUDA of the Persians
BRAHMAN in Sanskrit
DEUS in Latin
THEOS in Greek
DIEU in French
GOTT in German, and
GOD in the English language

Although the proper name of God is Allah, we know Him generally through His attributes. These attributes describe the various powers God possesses and are in fact His manifestations. God's attributes are innumerable since human intellect cannot possibly comprehend every aspect of the Supreme Being. In the Holy Quran and Hadith we are taught 99 attributes of God which are given below in alphabetical order. These are also known as al Asmaul Husna or "the Most Excellent Names". ""

More https://www.alislam.org/books/religiousknowledge/sec1.html

Sometimes Muslims say:
Ya Howa. [not in Quran]
Ya (O) Howa (He).
i.e. O He.......it is close to Yahweh.

In Quran words comes:
Ho-w-Allah
He is Allah.
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Why does the Quran say: "This day have I perfected for you your religion and completed my favor on you and chosen for you Islam as a religion." but it says this in chapter 5 out of 114 chapters. Does that mean that Islams doctrines are only to be taken until chapter 5 and everything after that is just a pointless add-on?
 
Mistah Bunneh

Mistah Bunneh

Member
From my understandings in the past Yhwh was one of those supposedly unspeakable names of something that would cast one out forever of someones grace if they carved it into something or spoke it aloud, this is why many a neophyte carve them upon whatever materiel they have on hand and forcefully speak this name. For those who were unfortunate enough to be indoctrinated from birth into those fear based mechanisms it seems a freeing experience, for those of us that weren't we wait and watch until they come home.
 
Rival

Rival

Diex Aie
Staff member
Premium Member
Augustus said:
Why is Jesus/Yeshua called Isa in Islam?

Was that his 'real' name? Or is just accepted as an Arabisation rather than what he was called during his life?
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The Arabic should be Yesua, but even that would have no meaning as God's name according to Islam is not Yahweh. Isa is Persian I believe.
 
Rival

Rival

Diex Aie
Staff member
Premium Member
Actually a lot of names of Biblical renown are meaningless without the name Yahweh:

Isaiah
Jeremiah
Yeshua/Joshua/Isho
Hezekiah
Zephaniah
Zechariah
Obadiah


etc.
 
Princeps Eugenius

Princeps Eugenius

Active Member
Yeah and the names of the angels in Islam also dont make sense. The angel Jibreel has "el" in the end which refers to the god "El" or "Elohim" (plural) of the Hebrew bible. There many such angels who end with an "el or il" at the end. Mikael, Azrael, Israfil etc. If the muslim God is Allah why do his creature bear the reference to Elohim?
 
rosends

rosends

Well-Known Member
Rival said:
Actually a lot of names of Biblical renown are meaningless without the name Yahweh:

Isaiah
Jeremiah
Yeshua/Joshua/Isho
Hezekiah
Zephaniah
Zechariah
Obadiah


etc.
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How, exactly are the names meaningless without he 4 letter name? These names have a 2 letter name incorporated within them (well, not "Isho"; I don't know what that is).
 
Augustus

Augustus

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@rosends with a name like Abraham, does it mean anything from the Hebrew Language? I know it means 'father of many', but is that from a Hebrew root that would be used in other contexts or is it just a meaning that has been given to the name?
 
Princeps Eugenius

Princeps Eugenius

Active Member
rosends said:
Elo-him is not plural.
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Some say it literally means "gods" but i, as a german, understand the whole concept of plural out of respect. We also refer to one person as "Sie" (literally "they") even if that person is alone by himself. "Bitte seien Sie geduldig." This can be said to 1 individual person or a group of people.

Im totally ignorant of Hebrew, but have heard many times that "Elohim" is a plural. I believe the "im" is like the "s" that is added in English to, for example, god"s". So "El" would be "God" and "Eloh-im" would be "God-s". Just a theory of mine. Just like "Cherub" is singular and "Cherub-im" is plural.
 
rosends

rosends

Well-Known Member
Augustus said:
@rosends with a name like Abraham, does it mean anything from the Hebrew Language? I know it means 'father of many', but is that from a Hebrew root that would be used in other contexts or is it just a meaning that has been given to the name?
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What was "Avram" a contraction of "father of Aram" has the letter hey (representing God's name) added and used to invoke the word "hamon" or multitudes, so he is the father of multitudes. (Av Hamon) with the R retained from his name equals Av R Ham.
 
rosends

rosends

Well-Known Member
danddolo said:
Some say it literally means "gods" but i, as a german, understand the whole concept of plural out of respect. We also refer to one person as "Sie" (literally "they") even if that person is alone by himself. "Bitte seien Sie geduldig." This can be said to 1 individual person or a group of people.

Im totally ignorant of Hebrew, but have heard many times that "Elohim" is a plural. I believe the "im" is like the "s" that is added in English to, for example, god"s". So "El" would be "God" and "Eloh-im" would be "God-s". Just a theory of mine. Just like "Cherub" is singular and "Cherub-im" is plural.
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Some see the royal we but an essential aspect of Judaism is the singularity of God. Elohim means (according to Nachmanides) "master of all other forces". The word can be used as singular or a plural, as determined byt eh verb in the sentence (it can also mean judge and "god" (referring to idols)). In Hebrew, the -im often is appended to make a plural, but sometimes it is simply part of the word. In English, a noun like "dress" or "lens" or "bus" is not plural, even though it ends in -s.
 
rosends

rosends

Well-Known Member
Godobeyer said:
it's plural but it's mean "to respect" ,i am wrong ?
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the root for respect is k-b-d (kavod) which also is the word for "heavy" connecting seriousness and weightiness. The word Elo-him does not mean "respect" or anything like it.
 
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