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Why don’t you believe in God?

Jimmy

Jimmy

King Phenomenon
Copernicus said:
I'm not sure why he started this one, since he didn't really seem interested in the answers. In any case, I'm going to remove it from my watch list, and I don't intend to try to engage him in his new threads.
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They’re always after me lucky charms.
 
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F1fan

Veteran Member
It Aint Necessarily So said:
You seem to think that any kind of thinking a person chooses is just as valid as any other as if valid reasoning were subjective. If so, that's incorrect. It is also the kind of thinking that underlies the Dunning-Kruger phenomenon, as with, "That's just your opinion" said in response to a demonstrably correct argument.
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This is a problem that we observe on many discussions, and the dilemma is that the unskilled thinkers lacks the very skill that would llow them to understand their thinking is flawed and incorrect. The unskilled thinker is at risk to be on a loop of thought that has no tool to adjust the direction towards truth.
 
mikkel_the_dane

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
F1fan said:
This is a problem that we observe on many discussions, and the dilemma is that the unskilled thinkers lacks the very skill that would llow them to understand their thinking is flawed and incorrect. The unskilled thinker is at risk to be on a loop of thought that has no tool to adjust the direction towards truth.
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Well, as long as we can agree that is not just the case for gods, but rather in effect connects to how we understands the norms connected to the concepts of truth and all its other related words.
 
Jimmy

Jimmy

King Phenomenon
F1fan said:
This is a problem that we observe on many discussions, and the dilemma is that the unskilled thinkers lacks the very skill that would llow them to understand their thinking is flawed and incorrect. The unskilled thinker is at risk to be on a loop of thought that has no tool to adjust the direction towards truth.
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IYO
 
Jimmy

Jimmy

King Phenomenon
Tomef said:
Seems like you’ve already decided you know why people don’t believe in god. You can’t think of anything else? Just a get in people’s faces for no good reason thread?
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Not at all. I am genuinely interested if this is the reason. If there are other reasons, I’d be glad to hear them as well.
 
Pogo

Pogo

Well-Known Member
paarsurrey said:
Why don’t you believe in God?

I believe in G-d, it is so natural.

Regards
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Yes evolutionarily it is natural to seek answers to that which we don't know and so we invent gods of thunder and rain and sun and why bad things seem to happen. As we find more useful answers to these questions we come to realize that gods are just something that we naturally create to minimize feeling of uncertainty and not actually useful or extant.
 
Jimmy

Jimmy

King Phenomenon
Pogo said:
Yes evolutionarily it is natural to seek answers to that which we don't know and so we invent gods of thunder and rain and sun and why bad things seem to happen. As we find more useful answers to these questions we come to realize that gods are just something that we naturally create to minimize feeling of uncertainty and not actually useful or extant.
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IYO
 
mikkel_the_dane

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
King Phenomenon said:
IYO
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Yeah, it is really not all opinion. If that was the case you could control the universe by changing your opinon and the universe would change. Now that is a simple test, so if it is all opinion change the universe by changing your opinion and then get back to us with the result. Did it work?
 
Tomef

Tomef

Well-Known Member
King Phenomenon said:
Not at all. I am genuinely interested if this is the reason. If there are other reasons, I’d be glad to hear them as well.
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You’re presupposing there ought to be a reason not to believe. And no, it’s not a question of semantics. I don’t need a reason not to believe there are magical creatures who come out at night to make the grass longer in my garden. I would need a reason to believe that, and there isn’t one.

Early humans invented various kinds of supernatural beings and forces to explain things they had no other explanation for. That is what gods are - a human invention. At first there were many, much, much, later in human history the formation of empires led to the creation of fictional mega-gods, one up from the intermediary city gods, which eventually morphed into the idea of one, all-powerful, omnipresent god. That god is a recent human invention. You can quite easily track that process of human creation of gods through ancient literature. Even within the Bible, god changes and develops.

Science is useful for explaining a lot about how the universe works, and for finding a lot of practical life solutions. Maybe there are things beyond science? Who knows? But there is zero reason to think that whatever they are they would correspond with our imaginary ideas about gods. There’s no more reason to think there is some human-like god being out there than to think there is a real version of a talking cartoon train somewhere, like Thomas the tank engine, or a real Don Quijote charging at windmills. They are all fictional characters, created by people who write books.
 
Jimmy

Jimmy

King Phenomenon
Tomef said:
You’re presupposing there ought to be a reason not to believe. And no, it’s not a question of semantics. I don’t need a reason not to believe there are magical creatures who come out at night to make the grass longer in my garden. I would need a reason to believe that, and there isn’t one.

Early humans invented various kinds of supernatural beings and forces to explain things they had no other explanation for. That is what gods are - a human invention. At first there were many, much, much, later in human history the formation of empires led to the creation of fictional mega-gods, one up from the intermediary city gods, which eventually morphed into the idea of one, all-powerful, omnipresent god. That god is a recent human invention. You can quite easily track that process of human creation of gods through ancient literature. Even within the Bible, god changes and develops.

Science is useful for explaining a lot about how the universe works, and for finding a lot of practical life solutions. Maybe there are things beyond science? Who knows? But there is zero reason to think that whatever they are they would correspond with our imaginary ideas about gods. There’s no more reason to think there is some human-like god being out there than to think there is a real version of a talking cartoon train somewhere, like Thomas the tank engine, or a real Don Quijote charging at windmills. They are all fictional characters, created by people who write books.
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Thank you for sharing your outlook on life. Have you ever sought out God on your own terms?
 
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