Kelly of the Phoenix
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There is no clinical evidence for either the death or the resurrection.
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Why Don’t You Believe Jesus Rose From The Grave?
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Kelly of the Phoenix
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Paul and other members made it important. The ministry was what was originally important.
Jimmy
King Phenomenon
It’s all important. Paul could see “Jesus” and who he really was. He’s god in the flesh. He will return. A new heaven and new earth he will bring. Make of that what you will. Oh yeah and love is important. lol
Jimmy
King Phenomenon
I would suggest you do some more thinking about a person rising from the dead. How could this apply to the world today? Think about it. Really give it some thought. I mean hey, infinite space exists so if that doesn’t blow your mind. Now, if that exists, someone rising from death is nothing in comparison. Or, if science is more your thing for explaining life then have at it.
Personally I don’t even believe Jesus or that time existed at all. I do believe that one person living in the world right now is capable of overcoming death though.
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stvdv
Veteran Member
Why Don’t You Believe Jesus Rose From The Grave?
To believe:
"Jesus Rose From The Grave"
Implies to believe:
"Jesus died"
Jesus is Atma
Atma does not die
Hence, from Advaita POV:
"I don't Believe Jesus Rose From The Grave"
Jimmy
King Phenomenon
I think soul is just a fancy way of saying human.
stvdv
Veteran Member
Jimmy
King Phenomenon
The way I see it at atma is a fancy way of saying human.
stvdv
Veteran Member
Well, the Hindu Scriptures define it differently
BUT of course
You are free to create your own definitions
Jimmy
King Phenomenon
Yeah, the Bible scriptures define soul differently as well, but I always keep a down to earth view when I read scripture.
stvdv
Veteran Member
That is always good, I do the same
So, you'll love my 3 favorite quotes
My 3 favorite quotes of my Master:
1) Common Sense before Divine Sense
2) Accept the Truth, even if given by a "fool"
3) Reject the UnTruth, even if given by God HimSelf
Sgt. Pepper
All you need is love.
As a spiritualist, I believe that our consciousness lives on as a form of energy, which I refer to as our soul and/or spirit. I also believe that we will retain our memories, along with our personality, after death, but we will acquire a much broader perspective than what we have now. I believe that once we die, we will be free of the physical and psychological constraints of our humanity, allowing us to see and understand beyond what we see and understand now.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
As a Baha'i, I believe exactly the same things.
stvdv
Veteran Member
"our" consciousness you said. This means "we", so also "you" are different from consciousness.
Question:
1) Who is that "you" that owns consciousness?
stvdv
Veteran Member
@Trailblazer
Question:
1) Who is that "you" that owns consciousness?
(from Bahai POV, or from your POV)
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
I believe that the "me" that is responsible for my consciousness is my soul (from a Baha'i POV, which is my POV).
Below is what I believe about the soul.
The soul is a creation of God and humans got a soul sometime during the course of evolution, when man became distinct from the animal.
The soul is s mystery whose reality the most learned of men have failed to grasp, and whose mystery no mind can ever hope to unravel.
The soul associates itself with the body at the time of conception.
From then on the soul works through the brain and while we are living on earth in a physical body. The soul is associated with the brain and it animates and directs the brain and the body, but when we die and no longer have a physical body the soul continues to live. It lives forever, and that is why it is called an 'immortal soul.'
The soul manifests itself in our thought process. The soul itself does not have cognitive functions, only the brain has those, but the soul 'animates' the brain so it is responsible for our ability to think and feel. If we had no soul the body would have no life.
The soul is the sum total of the personality so it is the person himself; the physical body is pure matter with no real identity. The person, after he dies and leaves his physical body behind remains the same person, and he goes to the spiritual world where he continues the life he conducted in the physical world. The soul takes on some kind of a spiritual body made up of elements that exist in the spiritual world and continues to live forever.
stvdv
Veteran Member
Thank you, "soul" has been clearly described
stvdv
Veteran Member
You say: the "me" that is responsible for my consciousness is my soul
IF you use the phrase "my soul"
THEN there is "soul" and there is "my"
Clearly these two are different !!
You can't ignore that
So, the Question remains:
"who are you (my part, who owns a soul)"
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
More clearly stated:
What is responsible for my consciousness is my soul.
Moreover, what is responsible for anyone's consciousness is their soul.
The person is their soul. Their physical body is pure matter with no real identity.
I am a soul that operates through my physical body while I am living in a physical body.
I do not own my soul, I am a soul.
stvdv
Veteran Member
Agreed:
"my soul" is not correct English
It would be inconsistent
That was what I meant