Trailblazer
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There is no such thing as a glorified body. There are only two kinds of bodies, physical bodies and spiritual bodies.He took what we would call a glorified body. He ate fish to demonstrate that it was a physical body.
And He said to them, Why are you troubled, and why do doubts arise in your heart?
See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you behold Me having.
And when He had said this, He showed them His hands and His feet.
And while they still did not believe for joy and were marveling, He said to them, Do you have anything here to eat?
And they handed Him a piece of broiled fish;
And He took it and ate before them. (Luke 24:38-43)
1 Corinthians 15
New Living Translation
35 But someone may ask, “How will the dead be raised? What kind of bodies will they have?”
40 There are also bodies in the heavens and bodies on the earth. The glory of the heavenly bodies is different from the glory of the earthly bodies. 41 The sun has one kind of glory, while the moon and stars each have another kind. And even the stars differ from each other in their glory.
42 It is the same way with the resurrection of the dead. Our earthly bodies are planted in the ground when we die, but they will be raised to live forever. 43 Our bodies are buried in brokenness, but they will be raised in glory. They are buried in weakness, but they will be raised in strength. 44 They are buried as natural human bodies, but they will be raised as spiritual bodies. For just as there are natural bodies, there are also spiritual bodies.
50 What I am saying, dear brothers and sisters, is that our physical bodies cannot inherit the Kingdom of God. These dying bodies cannot inherit what will last forever.
51 But let me reveal to you a wonderful secret. We will not all die, but we will all be transformed!
All these are only stories and there is no reason to believe they are true stories.So aside from miraculously appearing in a locked room He also
presented Himself with many "infallible proofs" that He was bodily resurrected.
But you are free to believe them if you want to.
Stories men wrote who were not even eyewitnesses do not constitute infallible proofs.
God's feet will never stand on earth, nor will the feet of Jesus.The word of God says that God's feet will stand upon the Mount of Olives in Christ's
second coming.
Then Jehovah will go forth and fight against those nations, as when He fights in a day of battle.
And His feet will stand in that day on the Mount of Olives, (Zech. 14:3,4a)
John 14:19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
John 16:10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more.
John 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
The rapture belief has no biblical basis.But I agree that I find no other people in heaven now until the resurrection / transfiguration, rapture to the thirds heavens of believers towards the end of this age.
No, I have never been a Jehovah's Witness, nor do I share their beliefs.Are you someone who was once influenced by Watchtower theology of the Jehovah's Witness?
Typically they argue that Jesus did not raise physically from the dead.
I am a Baha'i, and the following is what I believe about the resurrection.
“Therefore, we say that the meaning of Christ’s resurrection is as follows: the disciples were troubled and agitated after the martyrdom of Christ. The Reality of Christ, which signifies His teachings, His bounties, His perfections and His spiritual power, was hidden and concealed for two or three days after His martyrdom, and was not resplendent and manifest. No, rather it was lost, for the believers were few in number and were troubled and agitated. The Cause of Christ was like a lifeless body; and when after three days the disciples became assured and steadfast, and began to serve the Cause of Christ, and resolved to spread the divine teachings, putting His counsels into practice, and arising to serve Him, the Reality of Christ became resplendent and His bounty appeared; His religion found life; His teachings and His admonitions became evident and visible. In other words, the Cause of Christ was like a lifeless body until the life and the bounty of the Holy Spirit surrounded it."
The victory of Christ's salvation involves the spirit of man, which is the soul of man. I do not believe much of what Paul said about Jesus.The victory of Christ's salvation is ALL-ENCOMPASING. It involves the spirit of man, the soul of man, the body of man, and eventually the total environment of man. It is complete and extensive covering every realm important to mankind.
And the God of peace Himself sanctify you wholly, and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved complete, without blame, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Faithful is He who calls you, who also will do it. (1 Thess. 5:23,24)
How Paul changed the course of Christianity
This is an excerpt from the book entitled The Light Shineth in Darkness, Studies in revelation after Christ by Udo Schaefer. This section explains how Paul changed the Christianity of Jesus. It is important to note that the views expressed by this author reflect his individual perspective and...
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If you want to post to me I suggest that you don't quote Paul. I find him detestable for ruining what Christianity could have been.For the anxious watching of the creation eagerly awaits the revelation of the sons of God.
For the creation was made subject to vanity, not of its own will, but because of Him who subjected it,
In hope that the creation itself will also be freed from the slavery of corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God.
For we know that the whole creation groans together and travails in pain together until now.
And not only so, but we ourselves also, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan in ourselves, eagerly awaiting sonship, the redemption of our body. (Rom. 8:19-23)
John 11:25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live. 26 And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?”That refers to the physical as well. Martha expected her brother to physically arise in the last day.
Jesus did not contradict her. He pointed instead to Himself saying He was the power of resurrection in every way. Ie. "Martha, you're looking at the resurrection. I AM the resurrection and the life."
Jesus was referring to a spiritual resurrection, not a physical one.
I do not adhere to everything that Paul says.You're trying to establish a false dichotomy. You are aiming for a EITHER spiritual OR physical.
I have shown you His salvation is complete (1 Thess. 5:23) - "spirit and soul and body".
Salvation has nothing to do with the body, it has only to do with the soul, since the soul is the only entity that survives death.
The spirit is not separate from the soul. The spirit is the soul.
You keep quoting Paul and I told you I do not believe much of what Paul said about Jesus.I am not believing something extra. You're not believing enough.
You're going through the pages of the Bible to pick and choose what you want.
It's far better to take everything end and not sift out according to some preconceived prejudice.
The best way to read the Bible is to do so without partiality to your desired philosophy.
I solemnly charge you before God and Christ Jesus and the chosen angels that you keep these things without prejudice, doing nothing by way of partiality. (1 Tim. 5:21)
Believe whatever you want to believe but I believe it is hogwash. Nothing could be more ridiculous that physical bodies rising from graves.Truly, truly, I say to you, An hour is coming, and it is now, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live. (John 5:25)
Then Jesus extends it to the physically dead in the tombs in His reiteration.
Do not marvel at this, for an hour is coming in which all in the tombs will hear His voice
And will come forth: those who have done good, to the resurrection of life; and those who have practiced evil, to the resurrection of judgment. (vs. 28,29)
So BOTH the spiritually dead will be made alive.
And the physically dead "in the tombs" will be resurrected.
That would serve absolutely no purpose which is why God would have no part of it.
I see no reason for us to continue to discuss this matter.