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Why exactly is Satan bad?
- Thread starter Eddi
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Is that a yes?
is that a rebuttal?
Well, you did, maybe.
Yes. I am sure Satan used that too.
Well, it is weird, right?Your viewpoint? yes.
Why not?Not to me
Not sure what you mean here.
You mean that segment you share with Judaism?
Well, the Jews do not agree with you. They mostly think that your Jesus, Jeshua, or whatever you call Him, was an impostor. For God has no kids, according to Judaism.
But I do not think that. I think He has been made up by Satan to have you all damned, assuming Scriptures.
I would be seriously worried, if I were a Christian.
What choice do you have? Who cares if you support it or not? That would still hold independently of that.
OK, so the end of times will happen because some wanted help?
Don't you need any help, when you see the current state of affairs in the world?
Cool, why do you always complain about it, then?
Why not? If you believe that what happens today is not for the common final good, then why doesn't God do anything about it?
Do you think God is immoral? Or indifferent about evil?
Hasta la vista.
Barbie
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no
A rebuttal BUT it is a great idea.
yes… I found mercy and grace
Just let me know where
Not really.
LOL… I’ve lost where that question is applied to
God in both books.
Yes… there are some who don’t agree… then again, there are those who do believe. For that matter, there are Jews who are atheists, buddhist, Hindus et al
Like I said… I support your right as a free-will spiritual agent to have your viewpoints.
But you aren’t.
And I’m not worried.Everyone has choices.
Is there logic here? Help is here now and end of times will come when it comes.
He helps me quite often… then again, I let Him.
You will have to quote where I was complaining. Maybe you misunderstood?
The world belongs to man. Man has the authority. Of course He isn’t indifferent about evil even as you aren’t indifferent about evil. Have you ever read “Ask and it shall be given to you, knock and it shall be opened to you, seek and you shall find”? Notice that man has the authority to ask, knock and seek. Jesus said it this way, “Only the sick ask for a doctor”. You can deny the right of the doctor to operate or help and you can convince yourself that you don’t need a doctor. It isn’t the doctors fault.
Every tried to help an alcoholic that didn’t want help? I have.
LOL…
Vaya con Dios!
Ken
OK.
What is so great in it?
Yeah. well, That is what a snake oil salesmen would say. Make up the disease, and sell its cure. A trick as old as humanity.
But while this might deserve its own thread, it does not address my main point.
There has been a clear sort of cut from the traditional God's modus operandi, when Jesus turned up. So, how do you know that He was not Satan's deception masterpiece?
Ciao
- viole
Well…movies make up storylines and no one has made up that one before.
Like Covid? and the cure-all vaccination?
To be honest, I have lost what your main point was. We can get away from all the peripheral stuff like above… what was your main point?
If this was the main point… I think I addressed it in this:
Jesus fulfilled all the prophecies declared by God and the prophets.
Adios, mi amiga
Ken
Do you think Covid was an invented pathogen?
My main point is very simple. Christianity could be an invention of Satan to get you damned.
Really? which ones?
For sure His Messiah status is highly controversial among people sharing that same segment of prophecy.
So, my case stand. It is Satan who might have made you believe that.
Ciao
- viole
The pathogen was created in a lab. The vaccine was suppose to be the “save all” one-time usage.
OK… Except the message isn’t “get damned” but rather “forgiveness for all”…. not sure how you came to that conclusion
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Yes… it has be controversial since the beginning. After all, even Jesus was crucified because of the supposed controversy.
If that is the only support you have, seems pretty weak. The Jews nation has been filled with controversy. What conclusion do you come to because of their controversy?
El Señor la bendiga,
Ken
Are you sure it was created in a lab? I think it was too, but I have no evidence of that, and I give priority to evidence, or lack thereof, before I make any statement.
So, I presume you are also one of those who chickened out, when vaccination was available.
So, if you believe in, say, the standard Jewish God who does not have a kid, you will be forgiven?
Really? Are you not supposed to kneel down and recognize that Son as master and Lord, before that forgiveness is granted?
I have no support. But it is a live possibility.
Same question: how do you know you have no tricked by Satan into believing in a Goid with Son, and all that?
I know some Spanish.On account of Italian being my second language, and its closeness to Spanish.
But I hope He does not bless me. In fact, I would vastly prefer to go to hell than to heaven, in. the extremely unlikely case that your theology is correct. Who wouldn't ?
Ciao
- viole
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Well… apparently we don’t need a lie from Satan.
I am sure you are right. but how do you know your entire belief system is not based on one of them?
Ciao
- viole
I thought we went over that...
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Que pases un buen dia!
Ken
Subduction Zone
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I thought that was the other way around.
Rabbi's .. Ha = The .. Satan is adversary Ha Satan = The Adversary.
A figure known as ha-satan ("the satan") first appears in the Hebrew Bible as a heavenly prosecutor, subordinate to Yahweh (God), who prosecutes the nation of Judah in the heavenly court and tests the loyalty of Yahweh's followers. During the intertestamental period, possibly due to influence from the Zoroastrian figure of Angra Mainyu, the satan developed into a malevolent entity with abhorrent qualities in dualistic opposition to God. In the apocryphal Book of Jubilees, Yahweh grants the satan (referred to as Mastema) authority over a group of fallen angels, or their offspring, to tempt humans to sin and punish them.
Ha Satan is a title .. not a name in the OT when we encounter this fellow.
I don’t agree with all of this. Words can be both names and titles. Dad is both my title as is a loving name
When you cut-n-paste from Wikipedia, please cite your source.
muhammad_isa
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No .. with a look at the OP, I'm not surprised.
Why is satan bad? Why is anybody bad?
Envy, possibly?
Wiki was the source ? such a mundane and well understood definition merits no more.
Ha Satan means The Satan .. here is a lecture by an expert on the term.
Satan means resister. It was not originally the name of the spiritual creature who was later named like that. We don't know the original name of that spirit.
Devil means slanderer. It is another descriptive name that was given to the same creature.
From what these names mean, it is evident that the spiritual person to whom they were given is a persona non-grata for God and his servants.
Devil means slanderer. It is another descriptive name that was given to the same creature.
From what these names mean, it is evident that the spiritual person to whom they were given is a persona non-grata for God and his servants.
Post 257 above gives a short video on this subject "Ha Satan" is the phrase. "The - Satan" is the translation.
The word The is a definite Article -- and Hebrew - LIke English does not put a definite article prior to a Name. For example - you are not called "The Ken" .. you are called "Ken"
You can say that the name of " The Adversary" the Title of the person who does this Job .. a Job given by God .. is "Adversary" if you like and this would resolve the disagreement . but it is also speculation .. There is no way to know from the OT text that this fellow is also named "Adversary" .. we can say that his Title and Job Description was "The Adversary" which Satan's Job in the story of Job .. no pun intended
and do notice I used the word Satan as a personal name .. rather than the correct The Satan ..
The word “Jacob” is both his name and his title. He was “the supplanter” as well as the one who supplanted as were many of the names given in those times.Post 257 above gives a short video on this subject "Ha Satan" is the phrase. "The - Satan" is the translation.
The word The is a definite Article -- and Hebrew - LIke English does not put a definite article prior to a Name. For example - you are not called "The Ken" .. you are called "Ken"
You can say that the name of " The Adversary" the Title of the person who does this Job .. a Job given by God .. is "Adversary" if you like and this would resolve the disagreement . but it is also speculation .. There is no way to know from the OT text that this fellow is also named "Adversary" .. we can say that his Title and Job Description was "The Adversary" which Satan's Job in the story of Job .. no pun intended