Why exactly would interracial relationships and marriage be a sin?

[Sonofason]

Simply asserting that one ethnicity, race, genetic group, etc. is "better" or "purer" than another is violence, because it automatically excludes. Exclusion is violence.

So I am a violent person if I exclude oriental people from my mating rituals?

 

[Sonofason]

It's simple. Yes, people with stronger genes are luckier and stronger.

What is sad is that so many people still believe what ancient people thought about stuff like this when ethics and knowledge have progressed so much. That's one of the main reasons I don't believe the Bible has much to do with God. It is too obviously wrong about too much.

Tom

What is sad is that you think you are better than ancient peoples. And this comment of yours is a blatant lie, as your previous post said that multiracial people are better, and you give the reason being that they are stronger. So apparently you believe that stronger people are better people. But I don't blame you for hiding that fact from this post, but it's too late, I already know your true nature.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I think the idea that multiracial people are superior comes from the fact that when people stick to a small breeding pool, it causes genetic problems from inbreeding, such as seen in Ashkenazi Jews and Amish people. In that case, it would be a good idea for members of those groups to mate outside their group to increase genetic diversity. Other than that, multiracial people aren't any better than others.

 

[Sonofason]

I think the idea that multiracial people are superior comes from the fact that when people stick to a small breeding pool, it causes genetic problems from inbreeding, such as seen in Ashkenazi Jews and Amish people. In that case, it would be a good idea for members of those groups to mate outside their group to increase genetic diversity. Other than that, multiracial people aren't any better than others.

Are you suggesting that the Orientals have a breeding problem?
Are you suggesting that Africans have a breeding problem?

Maybe you're right. I don't know.

But you are saying however, that a person is a better person if he is a member of a larger breeding pool, and if you are a person with a genetic defect due to inbreeding, then you are not as good a person, right? Let's be clear.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Are you suggesting that the Orientals have a breeding problem?
Are you suggesting that Africans have a breeding problem?

Only if they stick to a small breeding pool. Genetic diversity is a good thing.

Maybe you're right. I don't know.

It's just simple genetics.

But you are saying however, that a person is a better person if he is a member of a larger breeding pool, and if you are a person with a genetic defect due to inbreeding, then you are not as good a person, right? Let's be clear.

It's not a statement on a person's value. Handicapped and disable people are still human beings with intrinsic value, for example. This is more of a health issue.

 

[Sonofason]

Only if they stick to a small breeding pool. Genetic diversity is a good thing.



It's just simple genetics.



It's not a statement on a person's value. Handicapped and disable people are still human beings with intrinsic value, for example. This is more of a health issue.

You did say:

"the idea that multiracial people are superior comes from the fact that when people stick to a small breeding pool, it causes genetic problems from inbreeding

did you not?

So please expound on what you mean by superior, if not a human beings intrinsic value?

 

[CynthiaCypher]

Are you suggesting that the Orientals have a breeding problem?
Are you suggesting that Africans have a breeding problem?

Maybe you're right. I don't know.

But you are saying however, that a person is a better person if he is a member of a larger breeding pool, and if you are a person with a genetic defect due to inbreeding, then you are not as good a person, right? Let's be clear.

Orientals?

 

[Sonofason]

Orientals?

That's what I'm asking. Are you prepared to answer for him?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

You did say:


did you not?

So please expound on what you mean by superior, if not a human beings intrinsic value?

I was talking about what Tom said. It's funny how you're getting uppity over that when you think that interracial relationships are sinful, so don't go there.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

That's what I'm asking. Are you prepared to answer for him?

What century are you from? For reals, O-R-I-E-N-T-A-L-S?

 

[Sonofason]

What century are you from? For reals, O-R-I-E-N-T-A-L-S?

Saint Frankenstein had said,

multiracial people are superior comes from the fact that when people stick to a small breeding pool, it causes genetic problems from inbreeding

The Chinese, a group of oriental peoples are not a multiracial people, and Saint Frankenstein is suggesting that multiracial people are superior to the Chinese for this reason.

What are you trying to say?

Honestly, a single word with a question mark is a poor example of a question. Do you have other words you might be capable of attaching to your single word question, or should I guess what you are trying to ask?

 

[Shiranui117]

You did say:


did you not?

So please expound on what you mean by superior, if not a human beings intrinsic value?

i.e. people of diverse ethnic backgrounds have fewer genetic health issues. A fun fact: All the royal families in Europe were very inbred, and most of them had hemophilia. Have you ever heard of Habsburgs' Jaw? Or the abnormal skull shape of the Egyptian royal family during the time of Akhenaten? Inbreeding within a very small gene pool (i.e. a small tribe, clan or number of families where you have things like people marrying their cousins on a regular basis) leads to diseases and abnormalities very, very quickly. It's a fact of genetics.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Saint Frankenstein had said,


The Chinese, a group of oriental peoples are not a multiracial people, and Saint Frankenstein is suggesting that multiracial people are superior to the Chinese for this reason.

What are you trying to say?

Honestly, a single word with a question mark is a poor example of a question. Do you have other words you might be capable of attaching to your single word question, or should I guess what you are trying to ask?

The Chinese are not one ethic group. There's dozens of ethnic groups in China. The Han Chinese are the largest. However:

There is considerable genetic, linguistic, cultural, and social diversity among the Han, mainly due to thousands of years of migration and assimilation of various regional ethnicities and tribes within China.[19]
Han Chinese - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You mentioned Africa. Africa is probably the most genetically diverse continent on the planet.

 

[Sonofason]

for the illiterate

Oriental - one who is a native of east Asia or is of east Asian descent
Oriental - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

i.e. people of diverse ethnic backgrounds have fewer genetic health issues. A fun fact: All the royal families in Europe were very inbred, and most of them had hemophilia. Have you ever heard of Habsburgs' Jaw? Or the abnormal skull shape of the Egyptian royal family during the time of Akhenaten? Inbreeding within a very small gene pool (i.e. a small tribe, clan or number of families where you have things like people marrying their cousins on a regular basis) leads to diseases and abnormalities very, very quickly. It's a fact of genetics.

^This. :yes:

 

[Sonofason]

i.e. people of diverse ethnic backgrounds have fewer genetic health issues. A fun fact: All the royal families in Europe were very inbred, and most of them had hemophilia. Have you ever heard of Habsburgs' Jaw? Or the abnormal skull shape of the Egyptian royal family during the time of Akhenaten? Inbreeding within a very small gene pool (i.e. a small tribe, clan or number of families where you have things like people marrying their cousins on a regular basis) leads to diseases and abnormalities very, very quickly. It's a fact of genetics.

And so therefore you believe that multiracial people are better and superior to everyone else? Interesting.

This says a lot.

 

[Parsimony]

I agree with you. The word race is meaningless.

How can you say that interracial marriage is a sin and at the same time say that race is a meaningless term?

When it comes to Jewish genetic purity, what would it mean for a foreigner who immigrated to Israel and became a practicing member of Jewish society? That would change the gene pool of the Jews even if they did not reproduce with them. What if this proselyte was black? What if he had a wife and had a child born to him after they had already become Jewish citizen such that his child would be born a Jew? Can you point to any prohibitions against one person who was born as a Jew marrying another person who was born as a Jew?

 

[Sonofason]

How can you say that interracial marriage is a sin and at the same time say that race is a meaningless term?

When it comes to Jewish genetic purity, what would it mean for a foreigner who immigrated to Israel and became a practicing member of Jewish society? That would change the gene pool of the Jews even if they did not reproduce with them. What if this proselyte was black? What if he had a wife and had a child born to him after they had already become Jewish citizen such that his child would be born a Jew? Can you point to any prohibitions against one person who was born as a Jew marrying another person who was born as a Jew?

I don't know. It's a conundrum.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

And so therefore you believe that multiracial people are better and superior to everyone else? Interesting.

This says a lot.

Pointing out scientific facts isn't the same as making value judgments on people.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I did not write the definitions. I just try to use the definitions that actually exist in order to communicate more effectively.

race: a family, tribe, people, or nation belonging to the same stock
Race - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

stock: the descendants of one individual
Stock - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

If these definitions are the least bit true, then race exists. And not only that, it exists on many levels, as I have shown.

I prefer to consider all definitions of a word before I start making assumptions about a particular word.

I didn't write the definition either. Biologist, who have studied the subject, have found there is only one human race.
Do Races Differ? Not Really, DNA Shows

Scientists have long suspected that the racial categories recognized by society are not reflected on the genetic level.
But the more closely that researchers examine the human genome -- the complement of genetic material encased in the heart of almost every cell of the body -- the more most of them are convinced that the standard labels used to distinguish people by "race" have little or no biological meaning.