Why exactly would interracial relationships and marriage be a sin?

[oldbadger]

"Thou shalt not sow thy vineyard with divers seeds: lest the fruit of thy seed which thou hast sown, and the fruit of thy vineyard, be defiled." (Deuteronomy 22:9)

Do you obey all the laws written in Deuteronomy and Leviticus, or do you just cherry-pick at the ones which you find to be convenient? :biglaugh:

 

[ScuzManiac]

I doubt very seriously that 99% of Baptists anywhere have that view. :no: If you would have said 10% or maybe even 50%, I might not have doubted it. But that's my opinion.

So far, the members of this forum prove otherwise though.

I've seen 3-4 people chime in (in addition to you) and you're the only one that disagrees.

Not saying that you are wrong or anything.

But it's headed very quickly towards 99%.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

So far, the members of this forum prove otherwise though.

I've seen 3-4 people chime in (in addition to you) and you're the only one that disagrees.

Not saying that you are wrong or anything.

But it's headed very quickly towards 99%.

She has also had a different experience. I live in a Conservative state, so the more hateful Baptists who damn to hell homosexuals, other denominations, and interracial marriages will find more tolerance and acceptance here than it would in less Conservative areas.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

The Southern Baptists are also targeting trans people: Southern Baptist Convention > On Transgender Identity

 

[ScuzManiac]

She has also had a different experience. I live in a Conservative state, so the more hateful Baptists who damn to hell homosexuals, other denominations, and interracial marriages will find more tolerance and acceptance here than it would in less Conservative areas.

That's true.

The Southern Baptists are also targeting trans people: Southern Baptist Convention > On Transgender Identity

They also tend to target drag queens as well.

At least in areas that I have lived in (bigger cities have a lot of drag clubs even in the South).

 

[Shadow Wolf]

The Southern Baptists are also targeting trans people: Southern Baptist Convention > On Transgender Identity

RESOLVED, That we love our transgender neighbors, seek their good always, welcome them to our churches and, as they repent and believe in Christ, receive them into church membership (2 Corinthians 5:18–20; Galatians 5:14); and be it further

I have no personal experience, but from what I've heard/read from others, churches that actually welcome transgender individuals are quite rare. There are some that do welcome transwomen and transmen without discrimination or refusing to acknowledge them as who they are, but they seem to be a rarity.

 

[Sonofason]

Do you obey all the laws written in Deuteronomy and Leviticus, or do you just cherry-pick at the ones which you find to be convenient? :biglaugh:

Look, it seems to me that I have been deceitfully guided onto this dead branch I seem to find myself on at the present time in this discussion.

The conversation was on topic until dgirl1986 asked an off topic question in her post #826, I suppose because I was making too much sense on the topic of this discussion, so she chose to change the subject. I don't blame her for doing that, and now here I am out on this seemingly dead branch.

All I am saying is this:

If there is anything pure with regard to being human then mixing the dna of human beings with non-human beings defiles the human being.

Likewise, if there is anything pure with regard to being of some particular ethnicity, then the mixing of ethnic groups, by virtue of inter-ethnic marriages defiles those particular ethnic groups.

Is it sin? Well, I believe it is, but I don't mind admitting that I could be wrong.

Whether or not I obey all the rules mentioned in the book of Leviticus is rather meaningless and besides the point. I believe that the rules and warnings we see in Leviticus came from God.

 

[ChristineES]

She has also had a different experience. I live in a Conservative state, so the more hateful Baptists who damn to hell homosexuals, other denominations, and interracial marriages will find more tolerance and acceptance here than it would in less Conservative areas.

It's probably more the area each of us lives than the Baptists themselves. If Baptists here in California and in Colorado are more tolerant, then it could be safe to assume so. But it is all speculation anyway. Southern Baptists are the strictest of all the Baptists: A lot of them believe Rock and Roll is a sin, some of them believe dancing is a sin, and so on. But I am not a Southern Baptist.

 

[columbus]

It's probably more the area each of us lives than the Baptists themselves. If Baptists here in California and in Colorado are more tolerant, then it could be safe to assume so. But it is all speculation anyway. Southern Baptists are the strictest of all the Baptists: A lot of them believe Rock and Roll is a sin, some of them believe dancing is a sin, and so on. But I am not a Southern Baptist.

You know why Baptists never have sex standing up?



Someone might think they were dancing.

Tom

 

[Parsimony]

If there is anything pure with regard to being human then mixing the dna of human beings with non-human beings defiles the human being.

Likewise, if there is anything pure with regard to being of some particular ethnicity, then the mixing of ethnic groups, by virtue of inter-ethnic marriages defiles those particular ethnic groups.

Is it sin? Well, I believe it is, but I don't mind admitting that I could be wrong.

The issue of ethnicity is an interesting one. My pastor is from the United States but he married a woman from Italy. Both of them are white. Now tell me, did he commit sin by marrying someone of another ethnicity despite both of them being white?

 

[Smart_Guy]

I refer to this:

So, let's hear it.

Dunno man, but in my beliefs, teachings and even my logic, it is not a sin. To the contrary, I see it is a good thing to have interracial relationships (marriages in my case). It promotes love and respect among people, as well as mixing cultures to learn from each other.

 

[sojourner]

Look, it seems to me that I have been deceitfully guided onto this dead branch I seem to find myself on at the present time in this discussion.

The conversation was on topic until dgirl1986 asked an off topic question in her post #826, I suppose because I was making too much sense on the topic of this discussion, so she chose to change the subject. I don't blame her for doing that, and now here I am out on this seemingly dead branch.

All I am saying is this:

If there is anything pure with regard to being human then mixing the dna of human beings with non-human beings defiles the human being.

Likewise, if there is anything pure with regard to being of some particular ethnicity, then the mixing of ethnic groups, by virtue of inter-ethnic marriages defiles those particular ethnic groups.

Is it sin? Well, I believe it is, but I don't mind admitting that I could be wrong.

Whether or not I obey all the rules mentioned in the book of Leviticus is rather meaningless and besides the point. I believe that the rules and warnings we see in Leviticus came from God.

This Quixotic quest for "racial purity" led to the extermination of six million Jews. Racial purity is an El Dorado that leads to violence.

 

[Estro Felino]

This Quixotic quest for "racial purity" led to the extermination of six million Jews. Racial purity is an El Dorado that leads to violence.

Well...Swedes tend not to breed with Mediterraneans to safeguard their race. Should we crucify them for that?
I think that each person has the tendency to fall in love with the people of their own race.

But if two people of different races fall in love with each other, it's absolutely normal. Even if not that frequent

 

[Sonofason]

The issue of ethnicity is an interesting one. My pastor is from the United States but he married a woman from Italy. Both of them are white. Now tell me, did he commit sin by marrying someone of another ethnicity despite both of them being white?

It could be. I really don't know.

 

[ChristineES]

Well...Swedes tend not to breed with Mediterraneans to safeguard their race. Should we crucify them for that?
I think that each person has the tendency to fall in love with the people of their own race.
I admit it; I don't like Nordics and blue-eyed people. I prefer Mediterraneans, like me.

But if two people of different races fall in love with each other, it's absolutely normal. Even if not that frequent

I would say that's more personal preference. My mother liked and married men of different, so-called races (since I was a teen, I've called all humans alive "the human race" and I don't really believe in "race", as a personal rule), as I mentioned about both my father and stepfather in an earlier post. The differences in people, particularly if they are from the same country, is superficial. My stepfather, although Japanese descent, acts like an American- he was born and raised here. It should be a non-issue although my he and my mother were tormented back in the 70s, even in California, for being together (We moved to Colorado in 1979) and it was, believe it or not, better there: People accepted them being together. I think it is because that Colorado Springs, at the time had a lot of retired military, where a lot of military men would have married women from the countries they were stationed in, including Asian countries.

 

[Sonofason]

The issue of ethnicity is an interesting one. My pastor is from the United States but he married a woman from Italy. Both of them are white. Now tell me, did he commit sin by marrying someone of another ethnicity despite both of them being white?

If we are all truly descendants of Adam and/or Noah, then we are all of the same race.

race: a family, tribe, people, or nation belonging to the same stock.
stock: the descendants of one individual.

However, as we can see clearly, in this world we draw different boundaries with regard to the term race, whether we do so rightfully on not. While it seems that these boundaries are changing to some extent, they still exist to a great degree.

The Arabic peoples all have one common ancestor that is not shared by the Oriental peoples. And the Oriental peoples have one common ancestor that is not shared by the Caucasian peoples. Therefore, by the same definitions of race and stock, we can see that we are not just one race of people, we are also many races of people throughout the world.

We could even extrapolate this further and say that every single person alive is the stock of a new race of people.

Thus, it cannot be said that interracial marriage itself is a sin, unless of course procreation itself is a sin, which I highly doubt.

Therefore if it is a sin for one person to marry another person, we're going to have to look beyond race to each particular marriage union, and the cultural, religious and ethnic differences that exist between those individuals that marry, as well the particular dispositions, attitudes, beliefs, and thoughts of the individuals being married. And of course we need to focus our attention on those marriages which include at least one Bible believing person. If you do not believe in God, or the Bible, then there is really no point in discussing sinful marriages to begin with.

The racial boundaries that human beings have set, whether rightfully or wrongfully, are a result of apparent differences in skin color. However, it is not the differences in the color of one's skin which determines whether one particular marriage is sinful or not. It just so happens that cultural differences, religious differences, and ethnic differences, and even various stereotypical prejudices, have been associated with skin color. But differences in skin color itself cannot be a determining factor to determine if a marriage is sinful.

ShadowWolf, in post 3 brings up this point, "Many people do mention the kids, and unfortunately society has made it very rigid and sometimes difficult for biracial children"

So here we see that a biracial child often faces hardship because their parents chose to be married. I have to ask, why did these parents not consider their children before they got married? Were they being selfish? Were they trying to reform the world view despite the well being of their child? Was it neglect and ignorance? Didn't they care about the consequence to their children? Are they sacrificing their children for the betterment of mankind? I don't know. But it is quite clear to me that such a marriage could been sinful.

 

[Sonofason]

This Quixotic quest for "racial purity" led to the extermination of six million Jews. Racial purity is an El Dorado that leads to violence.

Many things CAN lead to violence. Differences in religion, differences in politics, socio/economic differences can lead to violence. But they don't have to. Violence is a path a person chooses to take.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

So here we see that a biracial child often faces hardship because their parents chose to be married. I have to ask, why did these parents not consider their children before they got married? Were they being selfish? Were they trying to reform the world view despite the well being of their child? Was it neglect and ignorance? Didn't they care about the consequence to their children? Are they sacrificing their children for the betterment of mankind? I don't know. But it is quite clear to me that such a marriage could been sinful.

I'm half black and half white. The social problems that mixed people have are a result of a racist society. There is nothing wrong with us mixed people or our parents. The problem lies with people like you who make an issue where there shouldn't be one in the first place. I'm proud to be mixed. I gained pride in that area of my life after getting over the negativity expressed to me by people like you, because it's not me who has the problem!

 

[Sonofason]

I'm half black and half white. The social problems that mixed people have are a result of a racist society. There is nothing wrong with us mixed people or our parents. The problem lies with people like you who make an issue where there shouldn't be one in the first place. I'm proud to be mixed. I gained pride in that area of my life after getting over the negativity expressed to me by people like you, because it's not me who has the problem!

I'm happy everything worked out for you.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I'm happy everything worked out for you.

Yeah, I'm sure you are.