Why faith is evil

[outhouse]

Look we all know faith is evil

faith, leeds to blind faith. Faith attracts the weak of mind and uneducated and without knowledge faith because a dangerous tool to defend ones beliefs to the grave. religion had killed and murdered enough people!

its time to stop the madness and accept the fact that politics have manipulated the church for a few thousand years to manipulate the people. In modern times they have got a hold of this but its traces are still present.

faith leeds morons to murder abortion doctors

faith is killing millions in africa with the popes stance on conterceptives.

faith flew jets into buildings filled with innocent people

faith leeds morons to teach the bible in science class

faith leeds morons to strap bombs to thereselves and head to public places.

faith needs to be put on a leash or in a cage and if some poor sob who eats dirt because theres no food then fine give him a light at the end of the tunnel. When the sick and dieing and old need comfort fine let them dream of a peacefull resting place. Beyond that faith should be shot!

 

[Storm]

Look we all know faith is evil

faith, leeds to blind faith. Faith attracts the weak of mind and uneducated and without knowledge faith because a dangerous tool to defend ones beliefs to the grave. religion had killed and murdered enough people!

its time to stop the madness and accept the fact that politics have manipulated the church for a few thousand years to manipulate the people. In modern times they have got a hold of this but its traces are still present.

faith leeds morons to murder abortion doctors

faith is killing millions in africa with the popes stance on conterceptives.

faith flew jets into buildings filled with innocent people

faith leeds morons to teach the bible in science class

faith leeds morons to strap bombs to thereselves and head to public places.

faith needs to be put on a leash or in a cage and if some poor sob who eats dirt because theres no food then fine give him a light at the end of the tunnel. When the sick and dieing and old need comfort fine let them dream of a peacefull resting place. Beyond that faith should be shot!

At least you're honest in your vitriol. It's refreshing.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

OK, let's get one thing straight: I am many things, but I am not a doormat. I don't put on a false smile and shake hands with people who insult me.

I would be happy to debate the merits and motives of dis/belief with Auto, or you, if you showed me a shred of respect in return. When you start off with a rant about how I'm evil, however you may sugarcoat and "civilize" it, you don't get any more respect than you give.

If you're so sensitive as to misread an argument about how a particular kind of faith is evil to mean "you are evil", then it makes no difference how respectful anyone is to you. You're clearly just going to read what you want, decide it means what you want, then throw a fit when people try to point out that you're wrong.

Perhaps, instead of simply overreacting and blowing up at people, you should have the respect and decency to admit you made a simple error in judgement? Either that, or at least try to take on board what people are telling you instead of dismissing it just so that you can continue your tantrum. Whatever you think about respectful debate, the way to get there is certainly not by refusing to listen to others, back-peddling, using childish insults or sticking your nose in the air.

I may be a *****, but I'm not a two-faced one.

Well, good for you. The next step is not to be either.

OK, NOW you can have the last word.

And it means a lot to me.

 

[Kenaz]

"Good and evil" is ******* subjective anyhow. All pointless to discuss.

 

[outhouse]

At least you're honest in your vitriol. It's refreshing.

vitriol is a little strong.

For 2000 year religion strangled mankind, its time they face the music

as a whole it has damaged more then helped

 

[Storm]

vitriol is a little strong.

Not really. That was a hateful post. If you aimed it at any one religion, it would be a rule violation.

Don't back down now.

For 2000 year religion strangled mankind, its time they face the music

as a whole it has damaged more then helped

Impossible to judge.

 

[outhouse]

Don't back down now.

LOL

Impossible to judge.

NO! its easy to judge, harder to judge properly.

 

[Storm]

NO! its easy to judge, harder to judge properly.

No argument there.

 

[Midnight Pete]

What a brilliant role-model you are for respectful debate.

You have approached that brilliance yourself, ImmortalFlame.

 

[Wombat]

Look we all know faith is evil
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faith leeds morons to murder abortion doctors

faith is killing millions in africa with the popes stance on conterceptives.

faith flew jets into buildings filled with innocent people

faith leeds morons to teach the bible in science class

faith leeds morons to strap bombs to thereselves and head to public places.

faith needs to be put on a leash or in a cage and if some poor sob who eats dirt because theres no food then fine give him a light at the end of the tunnel. When the sick and dieing and old need comfort fine let them dream of a peacefull resting place. Beyond that faith should be shot!

And at this point you will support your arguement by presenting the
harmonious, peaceful glories of the shining light examples of faith free/religion free societies?-

Nth Korea, China under Mao, Cambodia under Pol Pot and the entire Soviet Union and satellite States.....
In which nobody ever went hungry, nobody was imprisoned, persecuted or killed (for their faith or politics) and Godless society shone like a beacon to the world.....

Stupidity, bigotry and bastardry are not conditions confined exclusively to people of faith.....clearly, on the historical evidence of the 20th Century, anybody, including atheists, can be mad despotic murdering Aholes.

"Atheism is a natural and inseparable part of Marxism, of the theory and practice of scientific socialism" Vladimir Lenin.

 

[outhouse]

harmonious, peaceful glories of the shining light examples of faith free/religion free societies?

Nope I dont preach, and i dont have the answers. I do see mistakes made from the past and try and learn from them.

Godless society shone like a beacon to the world.....

typical BS from itellectually challenged people

religion or no religion, people can be bad or good

childish examples in spite of the horrendous things religion has done, it will get you no where

mad despotic murdering Aholes.

yet most of them are religious

God was the worst mass murderer of all times if you believe in the bible.

"Atheism is a natural and inseparable part of Marxism

this statement is the effect of a low IQ combined with a lack of education and little control of your emotions.

religion or lack of religion has absolutely no bearing with communism just because they choose not to beleive. It was a socialist movement or bad politics at hand if you choose.

 

[Jeremiah]

vitriol is a little strong.

For 2000 year religion strangled mankind, its time they face the music

as a whole it has damaged more then helped

Religious faith has been around a lot longer then 2000 years. In just as much if not more intensity as we have seen in the past 2000.

 

[Midnight Pete]

God was the worst mass murderer of all times if you believe in the bible.

And if you don't believe in the Bible, does that mean God wasn't the worse mass murderer of all time?

 

[ChristineES]

I just don't see how faith can be good or evil. It doesn't do anything by itself. There are plenty of peaceful people who have faith just as their are plenty of people with no faith that are peaceful. The faith by itself doesn't cause murder, etc, people do that- we all know that. Sometimes faith can be a motivation, and sometimes lack of faith can be a motivation, too.
Is this a way to pass the buck, and take the blame off ourselves and dump it on something inanimate?

 

[outhouse]

And if you don't believe in the Bible, does that mean God wasn't the worse mass murderer of all time?

no myth, no crime

 

[ellenjanuary]

And if you don't believe in the Bible, does that mean God wasn't the worse mass murderer of all time?

And people think that simultaneous duality only exists in quantum theory...

The name of god was given to people to aid in seeing the infinite within the discrete. A tool. What people do with that tool does not absolve responsibility, shift the blame from the carpenter to the hammer. Neither does it absolve responsibility in the other direction; to say (in more of an absolute sense) that I can be an athiest, and do good, in a society that only understands "good" as a term to derive from god.

 

[Midnight Pete]

And people think that simultaneous duality only exists in quantum theory...

The name of god was given to people to aid in seeing the infinite within the discrete. A tool. What people do with that tool does not absolve responsibility, shift the blame from the carpenter to the hammer. Neither does it absolve responsibility in the other direction; to say (in more of an absolute sense) that I can be an athiest, and do good, in a society that only understands "good" as a term to derive from god.

There is definitely a secular understanding of "good." Don't sell yourself short.

BTW what is quantum duality in layman's terms?

 

[Copernicus]

There is definitely a secular understanding of "good." Don't sell yourself short.

BTW what is quantum duality in layman's terms?

I don't know what "quantum duality" is, but I do question whether there is anything but a "secular understanding" of good. When religious folks claim that God is "good", they must be using some standard other than God's to judge what is good and what is bad. If not, and if they see God as the sole determinant of good and bad, then that becomes one of the factors that makes people think of faith as evil. Moral judgment grounded in arbitrary authority is no morality at all.

 

[Wombat]

Nope I dont preach, ....

"faith leeds morons to murder abortion doctors

faith is killing millions in africa with the popes stance on conterceptives.

faith flew jets into buildings filled with innocent people

faith leeds morons to teach the bible in science class

faith leeds morons to strap bombs to thereselves and head to public places.

faith needs to be put on a leash or in a cage....... Beyond that faith should be shot!" outhouse


Sure sounds like a fire and brimstone anti faith sermon to me preacher! ;-)

and i dont have the answers..

As your move to and complete reliance on lame ad hom clearly demonstrates-

typical BS from itellectually challenged people.

Well played. You demonstrate your intellectual superiority by ignoring the point/issue and playing the man.
Very credible.

religion or no religion, people can be bad or good.

Then why single out religion/faith to be "shot" "if religion or no religion, people can be bad or good"????

It makes no sense.

childish examples in spite of the horrendous things religion has done, it will get you no where.

Oh I have no doubt it will "get me no where" because it is highly unlikley you are going to return to provide any credible explanation as to how/why they are "childish examples".

yet most of them are religious .

In the Cambodian, Chinese or Soviet leadership? No. You had to be an atheist to be a member of the Politburo or ruling élite establishing the workers utopia in which faith was “shot”.
(Calling the example of the history of the Soviet Union “childish” wont erase that history)

God was the worst mass murderer of all times if you believe in the bible.

The Bible is not a history text. It is a scripture. If you have an infallible method of working out >exactly what< is to be taken literally and what is symbolism metaphor...then please let me/the world know and receive our eternal gratitude.(ie- Does the flood, resurrection, dead burying dead ect refer to literal events or spiritual symbolism?)
Stalin/Pol Pot, in the name of “shooting” faith, far exceeded anything that could be attributed to God even in an exclusively literal reading of the Bible.
Quote:
"Atheism is a natural and inseparable part of Marxism”

this statement is the effect of a low IQ combined with a lack of education and little control of your emotions. .

LOL.
More lame ad hom and no substantive argument or rebuttal?
The statement reflects the thinking/philosophy of the finest minds Communism had to offer and clearly reflects their stated objective and your clear desire- “faith should be shot!”
They set out to create a faithless/religion free society, and, just as you advocate, they often used a gun to achieve this end.
Like your ad hom....it was a dismal failure ;-)

religion or lack of religion has absolutely no bearing with communism just because they choose not to beleive.

Sure, sure... “religion has absolutely no bearing with communism”....that’s why Marx/Lenin et al identified "Atheism is a natural and inseparable part of Marxism”, that’s why you had to be an atheist to be on the Central Committee and that’s why the League of Militant Atheists had greater membership than the Communist Party itself....
It was all accidental, incidental and “bad politics” having nothing to do with a concerted and deliberate attempt to “shoot faith”.

Please.
Go read a history book.

 

[jumpingjoy]

Faith is evil if people are forced to subscribe to it.

There are many different faiths in this world and each believer presumably thinks they have the 'truth'. The wise will realise that even if their particular faith works for them, it might not work for someone else. Atheism/agnosticism is just as reasoaanble as having a faith as there is no conclusive evidence supporting the existence of a god/s.