Why God allows Evil

[rational experiences]

The human his story.

How and why I believed in Satan. The human scientist mind. Star fall burning earth gained mass. Attack.

Earths heavens saved me but heated so my brain body got burnt. Conscious self changed. Gods state had saved my life yet it was sacrificed. Exact.

God the greatest highest coldest.

Was an exact teaching.

All humans live as humans are born as humans. Children of a human father with God on earth and innocent.

Exact.

Sex produced the sin of the body and mind. Told exact.

So humans unnaturally in family life were taken over. You think. A lot of humans versus those minds changed. As phenomena life changed is sporadic.

How could the first men agreed bullies have achieved overthrow? Population was greater than the bully.

As humans meek innocent who don't agree nor want murder or life harm lived. Is why and how.

So those bullies became rich men then scientists. Invention to be richer. Never brought to human justice.

Therefore when understood a new book was written about scientists.

Who they knew studied our death in themes of science.

Such as when the ground mass reacted a type of chemical reaction occurred. False human lies says where human life began. Our human life in that compared position states we'd be killed. Deceased.

Hence legal was imposed upon the satanist scientist theist. No dead theories ever allowed.

As he theories each position himself as a human only. His thesis says no human life is present. Not in any term he uses.

How legal came about stating the scientist was life's murderer.

As it was exact and advised as the highest human wisdom.

Therefore we taught the ice was life's saviour.

As it gets sacrificed it keeps saving life until it cannot cool the gases anymore. So fallout above is noticed. As the gases cannot cool.

Fallout is what kills us in the end whilst the ice saviour keeps giving back life's water mass.

It's why they said the saviour was of God but was never god.

Men taught it's why I'm the saviour living as I had been saved. I was notified why.

As no theist human owns a measure as to ice mass presence and water mass heavens before our bio life existed. It's the review of humanity.... the type of evil humanity is supporting.

Theists.

History says the brothers who agreed under the leadership family takeover and civilisation greed then technology. Is who destroy us all.

Not the meek innocent first origin human family life.

The basis of their evil is a human con using words. When only humans speak.

I saw an imaged message vision of the unconditional love term. It didn't speak. It's why you cannot argue.

 

[rational experiences]

So what would I be if I had the ability to save a child from torture and I stood by and did nothing?

Because unconditional love cannot move past its own presence. Then it would not be unconditional love.

As a human family member I used to get visions before sleep of family anywhere on earth. Praying begging pleading for help. It wasn't a lovely experience.

I understood human life lost owned a visionary recorded human body too. I've read a lot of stories where it came forward. Meaning a group would have caused one self to move forward.

To help.

Why communal group prayer was proven exact in one human getting assistance.

My family who lived a loving owned recorded life revord.. memory would do anything to save their family.

As I nearly died my whole adult life was virtually gone in that instance. But my mother's holy spirit the half of life we don't own within anymore saved me.

As I was body attacked outside by atmospheric changes only.

So I lived my life through her experience of love for everyone all her children.

I don't lie. I have no need to self gain from coercion. I was taught only tell the truth.

Now our science brother thinks my mother came to me as an energy body. So now he has researched human NDE. Brain mind. Consciousness. Hoping if he contacts it in science he'd gain a new resource heavenly produced electricity.

Is the sort of evil mind who rapes murders also. The changed human thinker brain.

A theist if they'd like to argue. Why is it that you have accurate human thought advice to blow up your human families life as a large population?

Those terms are criminal human self destructive thinking. Exact.

 

[joelr]

Theologians nowadays affirm that most of the Ancient Testament is allegorical.
Otherwise we should believe that Earth was created in seven days.

That isn't really an answer, it's just avoiding the question and asserting some of scripture is allegorical. Cool, then why isn't demigods who rise in 3 days and do miracles also allegorical? Like the OT mythology that story and theology is also from older cultures and equally as unlikely.

But the topic is specifically Satan. In the OT Satan was an agent of God. The modern version of Satan is not scriptural at all. That version started while the Jewish people were occupied by the Persians and their religion had the devil at an eternal war with God and humanity. Revelation is a direct rip-off of a Persian myth. So that would be equally likely to be allegorical as well.
The ideas about Satan are more from the Middle Ages as well. Making it even more likely to be myth.


"During the Second Temple Period, when Jews were living in the Achaemenid Empire, Judaism was heavily influenced by Zoroastrianism, the religion of the Achaemenids.[26][8][27] Jewish conceptions of Satan were impacted by Angra Mainyu,[8][28] the Zoroastrian god of evil, darkness, and ignorance"

"The idea of Satan as an opponent of God and a purely evil figure seems to have taken root in Jewish pseudepigrapha during the Second Temple Period,[30] particularly in the apocalyps"

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During the Early Modern Period, Christians gradually began to regard Satan as increasingly powerful[145] and the fear of Satan's power became a dominant aspect of the worldview of Christians across Europe.[136][138] During the Protestant Reformation, Martin Luther taught that, rather than trying to argue with Satan, Christians should avoid temptation altogether by seeking out pleasant company;[148] Luther especially recommended music as a safeguard against temptation, since the Devil "cannot endure gaiety."[148] John Calvin repeated a maxim from Saint Augustine that "Man is like a horse, with either God or the devil as rider."[149]

In the late fifteenth century, a series of witchcraft panics erupted in France and Germany.[146][147] The German Inquisitors Heinrich Kramer and Jacob Sprenger argued in their book Malleus Maleficarum, published in 1487, that all maleficia ("sorcery") was rooted in the work of Satan.[150] In the mid-sixteenth century, the panic spread to England and Switzerland.[146] Both Protestants and Catholics alike firmly believed in witchcraft as a real phenomenon and supported its prosecution.[151][152] In the late 1500s, the Dutch demonologist Johann Weyer argued in his treatise De praestigiis daemonum that witchcraft did not exist,[153] but that Satan promoted belief in it to lead Christians astray.[153] The panic over witchcraft intensified in the 1620s and continued until the end of the 1600s.[146] Brian Levack estimates that around 60,000 people were executed for witchcraft during the entire span of the witchcraft hysteria.[146]

The early English settlers of North America, especially the Puritans of New England, believed that Satan "visibly and palpably" reigned in the New World."

Satan - Wikipedia

The Persians had a myth dating to ~1600 B.C. where their God would have a final war with their devil and all the followers would be resurrected in a new body and live on Earth in paradise.

 

[joelr]

Reading incidents in the OT and calling them Yahweh acting out because someone upset Him just indicates our willingness to condemn even in the face of our ignorance, and indicates our willingness to not try to understand the bigger issues at stake in what God has done.

Well the sending Satan to kill 70,000 adults, and children was punishment for David having taken a census without his approval.

But that isn't the issue? The OP states that God does not interact and punish or help people because he wants freewill to play out. But this is clearly not true in scripture. It's true in real life because scripture is made up legends and in real life there is no God to intervene and destroy nations that bother people like Habukkuk or do a census without his approval. So apologetics had to be made up to explain the reasons.

Except they clearly do happen in scripture and if you believe the stories are true you have a strange paradox going on. It even says in Matthew ask and you shall receive. Doesn't happen any more than probability would allow. Also known as random chance. God acts exactly the same as random chance.
Studies have been done on the Christian Science sect who don't allow medicine, only prayer and healing from God. Their mortality rate is much higher than the normal population and the American Cancer society has documented more than 200 cases of children having cancer that was very curable with modern treatment but died because they only used prayer.
But again, in scripture we have healings.

 

[rational experiences]

As a human lived harmed. My advice psychic says my science brother using machines changed our bio support of life in the heavens.

As machines don't exist.

So the heavens owned by God the coldest greatest state then attacks life.

He caused it.

Science said it gained that wisdom from Satan falling star mass that hit earth. Had been frozen as sun mass then was heated released.

Men of science told us asteroids are iced.

Men of science said hence Satan star was against heavens god status.

Therefore only believe in God. Yet men with machines change God.

If you dont preach your own confession as natural man book interpreters place. Then you false preach the testimony.

A God star wanders past earth as it's greater colder than a Satan falling star.

As men thesis exact ground mass Alchemy for machines. Then today a theist pretends my human bio life by their thesis began as a reaction position I side their machine.

Instead they preach they are theorising it's correct position is in our heavens. Yet in secret don't tell you it's only about their machines position.

I'd say that's evil human thought myself.

In a humans life by a human as a human my equal pretending by science that I'm not their equal as I'm just a reaction.

Evil human thoughts.

 

[Pudding]

There is the party of Good, led by Jesus. And there is the party of evil, led by Satan.

There are Jesus' servants and there are Lucifer's servants. They belong to two different parties.
As Matthew 13,49 says, the wicked and the just. The first fight for the sake of good, the second for the sake of evil.
So if He were a dictator, He would prevent evil people from having a say.
He would prevent them from joining "politics". From doing evil.

He does not do that because
1) He is not a dictator
2) He respects people's free will
3) He hopes they can choose the party of Good by themselves

There is the party of Good, led by Jesus?
Which religion or denomination's version of Jesus are you talking about?

God hopes people can choose the party of Good by themselves?

God will be very disappointed if he really hopes so. Because history tells us many abrahamic thugs use violence to force many people to choose the so called party of Good aka they force many people to join their respective version of abrahamic religions/denominations follow-up with generations of generations of indoctrinating brain wash program. So, many of those victims' freewill to choose the so called party of Good by themselves has pretty much been thrown out the window.

 

[syo]

Why does He allow evil?

What is evil?

 

[Brian2]

Only one ─ that [he] was a typical Bronze Age god and human sacrifice was something that Bronze Age gods were into, a currency they understood.

God in the Bible is not into human sacrifice, except the sacrifice of His Son and that was not a sacrifice in any way except that God accepted it as a sacrifice. Jesus did not live in the Bronze age of course.

The 'engineering' of the deal is present in the text. The spirit of the Lord is upon Jephthah when the deal is done, and Jephthah agrees to a human sacrifice while under that immediate inspiration, not knowing it will involve his daughter, but knowing it's part of the deal. God, on the other hand, can be taken to have known very well who the sacrifice will be ─ [he]'s God, after all.

The Spirit was on Jephthah and instead of trusting God Jephthah wanted to buy a good result with a human sacrifice, something that he was not even in a position, morally or legally, to do.
God did nothing to get Jephthah to want to make that sacrifice.
Human sacrifice in those times was something that the Canaanites did with their children and it was a reason that God had judged Canaan and given the land to Israel.

 

[PearlSeeker]

That may be so, but all too often, it would seem, the only witness is "God."

Like in this scene (warning: some strong words):

 

[Brian2]

Well the sending Satan to kill 70,000 adults, and children was punishment for David having taken a census without his approval.

But that isn't the issue? The OP states that God does not interact and punish or help people because he wants freewill to play out. But this is clearly not true in scripture. It's true in real life because scripture is made up legends and in real life there is no God to intervene and destroy nations that bother people like Habukkuk or do a census without his approval. So apologetics had to be made up to explain the reasons.

Except they clearly do happen in scripture and if you believe the stories are true you have a strange paradox going on. It even says in Matthew ask and you shall receive. Doesn't happen any more than probability would allow. Also known as random chance. God acts exactly the same as random chance.
Studies have been done on the Christian Science sect who don't allow medicine, only prayer and healing from God. Their mortality rate is much higher than the normal population and the American Cancer society has documented more than 200 cases of children having cancer that was very curable with modern treatment but died because they only used prayer.
But again, in scripture we have healings.

In the OT scriptures God is intensely involved in Israel as the Suzerain ruler, the King and God and had promised to be with Israel and take care of them if they followed the law and did not reject Him as their God, and that He also would punish them if they did reject Him and ignore the law.
Maybe you know all this already but just reject it because of your naturalistic suppositions.
I wouldn't call Christian Science a Christian denomination.
I do believe God answers prayer however.

 

[blü 2]

God in the Bible is not into human sacrifice, except the sacrifice of His Son and that was not a sacrifice in any way except that God accepted it as a sacrifice. Jesus did not live in the Bronze age of course.

That's simply untrue.

When Abraham is told to sacrifice Isaac, he doesn't reply, "Don't be silly." He find his knife.​

Exodus 22:29-30 You must give me the firstborn of your sons. Do the same with your cattle and your sheep. Let them stay with their mothers for seven days, but give them to me on the eighth day.
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(Later they do a deal to get out of that one.)

Joshua 6:21 They devoted the city to the LORD and destroyed with the sword every living thing in it - men and women, young and old​

Numbers 31:25-41: 25 The LORD said to Moses, [...] 28 And levy for the LORD a tribute from the men of war who went out to battle, one out of five hundred, of the persons and of the oxen and of the asses and of the flocks; 29 take it from their half, and give it to Elea'zar the priest as an offering to the LORD. [...] 40 The persons were sixteen thousand, of which the LORD's tribute was thirty-two persons. 41 And Moses gave the tribute, which was the offering for the LORD, to Elea'zar the priest, as the LORD commanded Moses.​

Then we have the sacrifice of Jephthah's daughter ─ Judges 11:30-39.

Then we have 2 Samuel 21, where God refuses to lift the famine until the 'seven sons of Saul' (actually two sons and five grandsons), all of them innocent, have been put to death by impalement "before the Lord".

And then we have Jonah, whose required sacrifice is turned into an enwhalement .

And then, of course, we have the New Testament,

I stress this is only a sample.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Like in this scene (warning: some strong words):

Sorry, can't see the video. It appears to have been blocked in Canada by the producer.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

Why does He allow evil?
That is the mantra that several, not to say many, atheists usually point out, whenever they want to underline the Christian doctrine contradictions.

Why does He do that? Because He is not a dictator.
God's Order is not any different than politics.
There is the party of Good, led by Jesus. And there is the party of evil, led by Satan.

There are Jesus' servants and there are Lucifer's servants. They belong to two different parties.
As Matthew 13,49 says, the wicked and the just. The first fight for the sake of good, the second for the sake of evil.
So if He were a dictator, He would prevent evil people from having a say.
He would prevent them from joining "politics". From doing evil.

He does not do that because
1) He is not a dictator
2) He respects people's free will
3) He hopes they can choose the party of Good by themselves


It is Satan that would like to be a dictator by killing all the good people, and ruling Earth with his wicked politicians .
But he is not allowed to do that. He is forced to respect democracy, as God does.

So He’s not abusive, just negligent? Let’s say God has all kinds of firepower and there is this little villain killing people in a school. Unlike cops, God can’t be hurt by bullets, right? If God is clearly shown on video checking His Facebook instead of stopping the bad guy, should He be faced with any consequences?

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

In the afterlife, the wicked who have voted for their master....cannot be in the same room as the good who voted for Jesus...
That sounds fair to me.

So much for grace. Even sinners love people who love them.

 

[Brian2]

Really? Because that is not what I intended at all. I was trying to give an analogy that shows why I lack belief in God. I accept that my written communication skills are not the best and apologise for the confusion.

The reason I said that was because those Christians who want to get into politics and force their values onto everyone are probably doing for the same reasons that you would want to stop torture when you saw it. They see Christian values as good for society and don't want to be guilty of allowing other values to take over through their lack of action.

I can only judge by my morals. If I had the ability to stop all 3 of your examples I would.

Yes we do what we can to prevent evil but it sounds like you want God to step in all the time, and that would be a lot, so that nobody would be able to do anything evil.
God might start to consider a more permanent solution to the problem I think. God does not want people who keep doing what is evil, He wants people who want to do the right thing.

That seems to be a hazard of accepting leadership roles.

Yes being the one in charge can be a lonely job with people hating your decisions not matter which way you go.

Do you have any actual evidence to back these claims?

I only have what the story tells us.

So we should be held accountable but God shouldn't?

Well we will be held accountable for allowing evil if we have the power to stop it.
It is interesting in God's case that His way of working towards overcoming all the evil in the universe was to become a man and allow humans to torture Him to death when He was innocent of any wrong doing, and not retaliating.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

I don't know why but biblical wars happened not because righteousness of the Jews but because of wickedness of those against who Jews fought. ex. Baal worshipers.

That’s it? They worshiped someone else? God’s incredibly petty.

 

[paradox]

That’s it? They worshiped someone else? God’s incredibly petty.

One of the rituals of the Baal worshipers was to drive children and infants through fire.

Should such practices be reinvigorated to make God great rather than petty?

 

[Estro Felino]

What is evil?

What went on in Auschwitz. That was evil. Devilish.

 

[Estro Felino]

So much for grace. Even sinners love people who love them.

Surely. Mercy is what makes us Christians.
But our Lady crushed the serpent's head with her own foot.
That is not that merciful. That shows great mercilessness towards God's enemies.

 

[Estro Felino]

If you have decided that there is something that God cannot do, you have at the same time robbed Him of omnipotence. That word means, as I'm sure you understand, "the power/ability to do everything."

Exactly.