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Why Hadith can NOT be part of Islam

Union

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O People, NO PROPHET OR APOSTLE WILL COME AFTER ME AND NO NEW FAITH WILL BE BORN. Reason well, therefore, O People, and understand my words which I convey to you. I leave behind me two things, the Quran and my example, the Sunnah and if you follow these you will never go astray.
(Sermon delivered on the ninth day of Dhul-Hajj 10 A.H. and witnessed by 120,000 Muslims)
how we can deny importance of Hadith? how you can know about Sunnah of Holy Prophet if you ignore authentic books of hadith?

Good that you bring this Hadith . Let me present you three different versions of the same Hadith , which really exposed how Hadith were corrupted by the hands of people :

01. I leave with you Quran and Sunnah Ref.Muwatta, 46/3

02. I leave with you Quran and Ahl al-bayt Ref. Muslim 44/4, Nu2408; ibn hanbal 4/366; darimi 23/1, nu 3319.

03. I leave for you the Quran alone you shall uphold it.
Ref.Muslim 15/19, nu 1218; ibn Majah 25/84, Abu dawud 11/56, Sahih Muslim, Book of Hajj, Book 7 , Number 2803 .

Which one do you believe ? All are Sahih in status .
 

Union

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Thanks! Yes, it mentions Hajj but not what to do at Hajj. The Quran doesn't say you need to dress in ihram and perform tawaff for example.

Ihram in Qur'an :

The traditional half-naked dressing in Hajj called Ihram has no support in Qur'an . Rather ALLAH (swt) says :

[007:031] O Children of Adam! wear your beautiful apparel at all mosques (kulli masjidin) eat and drink: But waste not by excess, for God loveth not the wasters.

As Al-Masjid Al-Haram is the most sacred mosque , we should go there with the best dress possible . Wearing two seamless white towels are nothing much better than the naked pagans used to perform hajj .

Whatsoever, the term Ihram , derived from 'HRM' means to abstains from something . Qur'an explains , during Hajj what we have to absteain from :

a- Hunting
Hunting is prohibited during Hajj as per the following verses:
"You shall not permit hunting while you are hurum" 5:1

"Once you are no longer in abstention you may hunt" 5:2
"O you who believe, do not kill any game while you are hurum" 5:95
b- War and fighting
All warfare is prohibited in the Hurum Months of Hajj except in self defence:
"They ask you about the Haram Month and fighting therein: say, ‘Fighting therein is a great offence" 2:217
c- Sexual intercourse, misconduct and arguments
The prohibition against these appear in one verse:
"Whoever executes the Hajj in them (the known months) shall refrain from sexual intercourse, wickedness and arguing throughout Hajj" 2:197
d- The cutting of the hair
Abstaining from cutting one’s hair is a requirement during Hajj, this is to encourage the believers to concentrate on the spirituality of the occasion.
"You shall complete the Hajj and Umrah for God. If you are prevented, then make a convenient offering, and do not shave you heads until the offering has reached its destination" 2:196
It must be noted here that the ritual of cutting a piece of one"s hair at the end of Hajj is non Quranic and therefore is not obligatory.


Tawaf in Qur'an
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a-Please note there is no mention of the requirement for 'seven circuits' around the Ka'aba. One should do as many circuits as one is able in complete with complete devotion to God.

022.029
"Then let them complete the rites prescribed for them, perform their vows, and circumambulate the Ancient House (Arabic: bil'bait-il-ateeq)."

b-Safa and Marwa are never mentioned as an 'ancient rite' within the Quranic context. Safa and Marwa have been mentioned as 'symbols' of God (Not necessarily connected with Prophet Abraham (pbuh)) and the circumambulation of them is allowable if desired.


002:158
"Indeed! Safa and Marwah are among the symbols (Arabic: sha'airi) of God. It is therefore no sin for him who is on pilgrimage to the House (Arabic: hajjan) or visits it (Arabic: i'tamara),to go around them (Arabic: Yattawwafa). And he who does good of his own accord, (for him) lo! God is Grateful, Aware"​












 
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farouk

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Salaams to all my brothers & sisters
A quick simple question to Quranist.
How many percent of Zakaat do you pay out of your wealth each year?
Salaams
Farouk
 

beenie

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Salaams to all my brothers & sisters
A quick simple question to Quranist.
How many percent of Zakaat do you pay out of your wealth each year?
Salaams
Farouk

Why does everything have to be so specific? Don't we have minds of our own? Pay what you can.
 

Union

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Salaams to all my brothers & sisters
A quick simple question to Quranist.
How many percent of Zakaat do you pay out of your wealth each year?
Salaams
Farouk

Ssainhu squared up the issue very precisely . This questioned can be answered from the following verse :

"They ask you what to spend, say: ‘al-affwoo’. God thus clarifies the revelations for you that you may reflect" 2:219

The Key word in this verse is the word "al-affwoo". To be able to determine what is exactly meant by this word we should look at other Quranic verses that employ the same word. The following are some Quranic verses that are of special significance to our inquiry:

"Additionally, they worshiped the calf, after all the miracles they had seen. 'fa afawna aan zalika' (We pardoned all this)" 4:153

"Who give to charity during the good times, as well as the bad times. They are suppressors of anger, and 'al-aafeen aan al-naas' (pardoners of the people). God loves the charitable" 3:134

"O you who believe, do not ask about matters which, if revealed to you prematurely, would hurt you. If you ask about them in light of the Quran, they will become obvious to you. God has 'AAFA ANHA' (deliberately overlooked them).God is Forgiver, Clement" 5:101

" ........... 'aafa Allah aamma salaf' (God has pardoned past offenses). But if anyone returns to such an offense, God will avenge it. God is Almighty, Avenger" 5:95

According to the above verse, we can see that the word "al-affwoo" (and its derivatives) has been used to mean : that which has been pardoned or overlooked.

If we apply this to the word "al-affwoo" which is used in 2:219 and which is related to the payment of money, we can see that God is telling us that we should pay from that part of our income which we can afford to give away without the need to ask for it back, or in other words what we can afford to overlook and pardon without incurring any hardship.

It is significant that God did not define or quantize the exact portion of our incomes which we are able to give to charity and be able to overlook it (not ask for it back). God knows that this will be different for each individual and directly dependent on each's income and circumstances. It is also dependent on each person's desire to do righteousness. Consequently, God left it to each indivisual to assess his/her own needs and obligations, and then decide what portion of one's excess income that can be given away and overlooked without incurring any hardship.

Nowehere in the Quran is there any hint of a fixed rate of obligatory alms-giving. The 2.5% which is followed by Muslims around the world rate is not found in the Quran. The source of this ritual, as many other non Quranic rituals, can only be found in the 'hadith' collections. We have seen that the Quran defines the this obligatory payment from 'Al-AFW', which is what a person is able to give away without incurring any great hardship. Obviously this amount will differ from person to another depending on each's income.

As a matter of fact, in 17:26-29 we can see concrete confirmation that God did NOT set a fixed percentage for payment :

"You shall give the relatives, the needy and the homeless their ‘haqahu’ (decreed right), but do not be excessive, extravagant. The extravagant are brethren of the devils, and the devil is unappreciative of his Lord. Even if you have to turn away from them, as you pursue the mercy of your Lord, you shall treat them in the nicest manner. You shall not keep your hand stingily tied to your neck, nor shall you foolishly open it up, lest you end up blamed and sorry" 17:26-29

Hence the general rule of spending money in Qur'an , for every case including the Sadaqat :

"You shall not keep your hand stingily tied to your neck, nor shall you foolishly open it up, lest you end up blamed and sorry"

We must meditate on these words for a while and then pose the following question: If God had actually set a fixed percentage (e.g. 2.5%) for the payment , would He command us not to be stingy nor too extravagant? The words do not be stingy nor too extravagant indicate that the percentage is NOT fixed, but is flexible and that it has been left to each individual's means.
 

Farrukh

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Good that you bring this Hadith . Let me present you three different versions of the same Hadith , which really exposed how Hadith were corrupted by the hands of people :

01. I leave with you Quran and Sunnah Ref.Muwatta, 46/3

02. I leave with you Quran and Ahl al-bayt Ref. Muslim 44/4, Nu2408; ibn hanbal 4/366; darimi 23/1, nu 3319.

03. I leave for you the Quran alone you shall uphold it.
Ref.Muslim 15/19, nu 1218; ibn Majah 25/84, Abu dawud 11/56, Sahih Muslim, Book of Hajj, Book 7 , Number 2803 .

Which one do you believe ? All are Sahih in status .

would you like to explain references a bit so that i can find it, what is Muslim 44/4 ? thank you
 

beenie

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Islam, when taken at face value from the Qur'an, is incredibly simple. People have complicated the religion by adding things to it which aren't necessary. Most of the in-fighting amongst Muslims is because of the Hadith, not the Qur'an.
 

Union

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would you like to explain references a bit so that i can find it, what is Muslim 44/4 ? thank you

No problem my dear brother . You have reference for 'Qur'an and Sunnah' version , right ? Let me post you the other two versions, available in internet , not from my personal hard copy .

'Qur'an and Ahle-Bayt' version :

Ref : from Sahih Muslim translated by Abdul Hamid Siddiqui - Hadith (Hadis) Books

Sahih Muslim , Book 31 , Hadith No.5920
Yazid b. Hayyan reported, I went along with Husain b. Sabra and 'Umar b. Muslim to Zaid b. Arqam and, as we sat by his side, Husain said to him: Zaid. you have been able to acquire a great virtue that you saw Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) listened to his talk, fought by his side in (different) battles, offered prayer behind me. Zaid, you have in fact earned a great virtue. Zaid, narrate to us what you heard from Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him). He said: I have grown old and have almost spent my age and I have forgotten some of the things which I remembered in connection with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him), so accept whatever I narrate to you, and which I do not narrate do not compel me to do that. He then said: One day Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) stood up to deliver sermon at a watering place known as Khumm situated between Mecca and Medina. He praised Allah, extolled Him and delivered the sermon and. exhorted (us) and said: Now to our purpose. O people, I am a human being. I am about to receive a messenger (the angel of death) from my Lord and I, in response to Allah's call, (would bid good-bye to you), but I am leaving among you two weighty things: the one being the Book of Allah in which there is right guidance and light, so hold fast to the Book of Allah and adhere to it. He exhorted (us) (to hold fast) to the Book of Allah and then said: The second are the members of my household I remind you (of your duties) to the members of my family. He (Husain) said to Zaid: Who are the members of his household? Aren't his wives the members of his family? Thereupon he said: His wives are the members of his family (but here) the members of his family are those for whom acceptance of Zakat is forbidden. And he said: Who are they? Thereupon he said: 'Ali and the offspring of 'Ali, 'Aqil and the offspring of 'Aqil and the offspring of Ja'far and the offspring of 'Abbas. Husain said: These are those for whom the acceptance of Zakat is forbidden. Zaid said: Yes.

Sahih Muslim , Book 31 , Hadith No.5923
Yazid b. Hayyan reported: We went to him (Zaid b. Arqam) and said to him. You have found goodness (for you had the honour) to live in the company of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) and offered prayer behind him, and the rest of the hadith is the same but with this variation of wording that lie said: Behold, for I am leaving amongst you two weighty things, one of which is the Book of Allah, the Exalted and Glorious, and that is the rope of Allah. He who holds it fast would be on right guidance and he who abandons it would be in error, and in this (hadith) these words are also found: We said: Who are amongst the members of the household? Aren't the wives (of the Holy Prophet) included amongst the members of his house hold? Thereupon he said: No, by Allah, a woman lives with a man (as his wife) for a certain period; he then divorces her and she goes back to her parents and to her people; the members of his household include his ownself and his kith and kin (who are related to him by blood) and for him the acceptance of Zakat is prohibited.
 

Farrukh

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Union

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'Qur'an Only' version :
Ref. : https://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/hadith/muslim/007-smt.php

Sahih Muslim , Book 07 , Hadith No.2803
Ja'far b Muhammad reported on the authority of his father: We went to Jabir b. Abdullah and he began inquiring about the people (who had gone to see him) till it was my turn. I said: I am Muhammad b. 'Ali b. Husain. He placed his hand upon my head and opened my upper button and then the lower one and then placed his palm on my chest (in order to bless me), and I was, during those days, a young boy, and he said: You are welcome, my nephew. Ask whatever you want to ask. And I asked him but as he was blind (he could not respond to me immediately), and the time for prayer came. He stood up covering himself in his mantle. And whenever he placed its ends upon his shoulders they slipped down on account of being short (in size). Another mantle was, however, lying on the clothes rack near by. And he led us in the prayer. I said to him: Tell me about the Hajj of Allah's Messenger (May peace be upon him). And he pointed with his hand nine, and then stated: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) stayed in (Medina) for nine years but did not perform Hajj, then he made a public announcement in the tenth year to the effect that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) was about to perform the Hajj. A large number of persons came to Medina and all of them were anxious to follow the Messenger of Allah (May peace be upon him) and do according to his doing. We set out with him till we reached Dhu'l-Hulaifa. Asma' daughter of Umais gave birth to Muhammad b. Abu Bakr. She sent message to the Messenger of Allah (May peace be upon him) asking him: What should 1 do? He (the Holy Prophet) said: Take a bath, bandage your private parts and put on Ihram. The Messenger of Allah (May peace be upon him) then prayed in the mosque and then mounted al-Qaswa (his she-camel) and it stood erect with him on its back at al-Baida'. And I saw as far as I could see in front of me but riders and pedestrians, and also on my right and on my left and behind me like this. And the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) was prominent among us and the (revelation) of the Holy Qur'an was descending upon him. And it is he who knows (its true) significance. And whatever he did, we also did that. He pronounced the Oneness of Allah (saying):" Labbaik,0 Allah, Labbaik, Labbaik. Thou hast no partner, praise and grace is Thine and the Sovereignty too; Thou hast no partner."
And the people also pronounced this Talbiya which they pronounce (today). The Messenger of Allah (May peace be upon him) did not reject anything out of it. But the Messenger of Allah (May peace. be upon him) adhered to his own Talbiya. Jabir (Allah be pleased with him) said: We did not have any other intention but that of Hajj only, being unaware of the Umra (at that season), but when we came with him to the House, he touched the pillar and (made seven circuits) running three of them and walking four. And then going to the Station of Ibrahim, he recited:" And adopt the Station of Ibrahim as a place of prayer." And this Station was between him and the House. My father said (and I do not know whether he had made a mention of it but that was from Allah's Apostle [May peace be upon him] that he recited in two rak'ahs:" say: He is Allah One," and say:" Say: 0 unbelievers." He then returned to the pillar (Hajar Aswad) and kissed it. He then went out of the gate to al-Safa' and as he reached near it he recited:" Al-Safa' and al-Marwa are among the signs appointed by Allah," (adding: ) I begin with what Allah (has commanded me) to begin. He first mounted al-Safa' till he saw the House, and facing Qibla he declared the Oneness of Allah and glorified Him, and said:" There is no god but Allah, One, there is no partner with Him. His is the Sovereignty. to Him praise is due. and He is Powerful over everything. There is no god but Allah alone, Who fulfilled His promise, helped His servant and routed the confederates alone." He then made supplication in the course of that saying such words three times. He then descended and walked towards al-Marwa, and when his feet came down in the bottom of the valley, he ran, and when he began to ascend he walked till he reached al-Marwa. There he did as he had done at al-Safa'. And when it was his last running at al-Marwa he said: If I had known beforehand what I have come to know afterwards, I would not have brought sacrificial animals and would have performed an 'Umra. So, he who among you has not the sacrificial animals with him should put off Ihram and treat it as an Umra. Suraqa b. Malik b. Ju'sham got up and said: Messenger of Allah, does it apply to the present year, or does it apply forever? Thereupon the Messenger of Allah (May peace be upon him) intertwined the fingers (of one hand) into another and said twice: The 'Umra has become incorporated in the Hajj (adding):" No, but for ever and ever." 'All came from the Yemen with the sacrificial animals for the Prophet (May peace be upon him) and found Fatimah (Allah be pleased with her) to be one among those who had put off Ihram and had put on dyed clothes and had applied antimony. He (Hadrat'Ali) showed disapproval to it, whereupon she said: My father has commanded me to do this. He (the narrator) said that 'Ali used to say in Iraq: I went to the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) showing annoyance at Fatimah for what she had done, and asked the (verdict) of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) regarding what she had narrated from him, and told him that I was angry with her, whereupon he said: She has told the truth, she has told the truth. (The Holy Prophet then asked 'Ali): What did you say when you undertook to go for Hajj? I ('Ali) said: 0 Allah, I am putting on Ihram for the same purpose as Thy Messenger has put it on.

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The first claim of ours on blood-revenge which I abolish is that of the son of Rabi'a b. al-Harith, who was nursed among the tribe of Sa'd and killed by Hudhail. And the usury of she pre-Islamic period is abolished, and the first of our usury I abolish is that of 'Abbas b. 'Abd al-Muttalib, for it is all abolished. Fear Allah concerning women! Verily you have taken them on the security of Allah, and intercourse with them has been made lawful unto you by words of Allah. You too have right over them, and that they should not allow anyone to sit on your bed whom you do not like. But if they do that, you can chastise them but not severely. Their rights upon you are that you should provide them with food and clothing in a fitting manner. I have left among you the Book of Allah, and if you hold fast to it, you would never go astray. And you would be asked about me (on the Day of Resurrection), (now tell me) what would you say? They (the audience) said: We will bear witness that you have conveyed (the message), discharged (the ministry of Prophethood) and given wise (sincere) counsel. He (the narrator) said: He (the Holy Prophet) then raised his forefinger towards the sky and pointing it at the people (said):" O Allah, be witness. 0 Allah, be witness," saying it thrice. (Bilal then) pronounced Adhan and later on Iqama and he (the Holy Prophet) led the noon prayer. He (Bilal) then uttered Iqama and he (the Holy Prophet) led the afternoon prayer and he observed no other prayer in between the two.

The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) then mounted his camel and came to the place of stay, making his she-camel al-Qaswa, turn towards the side where there we are rocks, having the path taken by those who went on foot in front of him, and faced the Qibla. He kept standing there till the sun set, and the yellow light had somewhat gone, and the disc of the sun had disappeared. He made Usama sit behind him, and he pulled the nosestring of Qaswa so forcefully that its head touched the saddle (in order to keep her under perfect control), and he pointed out to the people with his right hand to be moderate (in speed), and whenever he happened to pass over an elevated tract of sand, he slightly loosened it (the nose-string of his camel) till she climbed up and this is how he reached al-Muzdalifa. There he led the evening and 'Isha prayers with one Adhan and two Iqamas and did not glorify (Allah) in between them (i. e. he did not observe supererogatory rak'ahs between Maghrib and 'Isha' prayers). The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) then lay down till dawn and offered the dawn prayer with an Adhan and Iqama when the morning light was clear. He again mounted al-Qaswa, and when he came to al-Mash'ar al-Haram, he faced towards Qibla, supplicated Him, Glorified Him, and pronounced His Uniqueness (La ilaha illa Allah) and Oneness, and kept standing till the daylight was very clear.
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Union

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no, please just tell me what is meaning of Muslim 44/4 that you mentioned before. i hope you are not making things up for supporting your argument. thank you.

What is your intention , to know the truth or to escape from the truth ? I linked you to the right Hadith , accessible to Millions of Sunni and Shia for verification , while 44/4 is my hard copy reference ,which is at my disposal . What so big fuss about it ?
 

Farrukh

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What is your intention , to know the truth or to escape from the truth ? I linked you to the right Hadith , accessible to Millions of Sunni and Shia for verification , while 44/4 is my hard copy reference ,which is at my disposal . What so big fuss about it ?

i wasn't expecting that you are playing here with such a list of fake references, i just asked what is meaning of 44/4 ?
like if you quote from Holy Quran, 44 4 will mean chapter number 44 and verse number 4,
My question was simple, what do you mean by Muslim 44/4, you are just slipping here and there.
 

Union

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Please don't accuse somebody to be an imposter before having truly verified the fact . Here you go my dear brother Farrukh :

2408 حدثني زهير بن حرب وشجاع بن مخلد جميعا عن ابن علية قال زهير حدثنا إسمعيل بن إبراهيم حدثني أبو حيان حدثني يزيد بن حيان قال انطلقت أنا وحصين بن سبرة وعمر بن مسلم إلى زيد بن أرقم فلما جلسنا إليه قال له حصين لقد لقيت يا زيد خيرا كثيرا رأيت رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم وسمعت حديثه وغزوت معه وصليت خلفه لقد لقيت يا زيد خيرا كثيرا حدثنا يا زيد ما سمعت من رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم قال يا ابن أخي والله لقد كبرت سني وقدم عهدي ونسيت بعض الذي كنت أعي من رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم فما حدثتكم فاقبلوا وما لا فلا تكلفونيه ثم قال قام رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم يوما فينا خطيبا بماء يدعى خما بين مكة والمدينة فحمد الله وأثنى عليه ووعظ وذكر ثم قال أما بعد ألا أيها الناس فإنما أنا بشر يوشك أن يأتي رسول ربي فأجيب وأنا تارك فيكم ثقلين أولهما كتاب الله فيه الهدى والنور فخذوا بكتاب الله واستمسكوا به فحث على كتاب الله ورغب فيه ثم قال وأهل بيتي أذكركم الله في أهل بيتي أذكركم الله في أهل بيتي أذكركم الله في أهل بيتي فقال له حصين ومن أهل بيته يا زيد أليس نساؤه من أهل بيته قال نساؤه من أهل بيته ولكن أهل بيته من حرم الصدقة بعده قال ومن هم قال هم آل علي وآل عقيل وآل جعفر وآل عباس قال كل هؤلاء حرم الصدقة قال نعم " - ص 1874 -" وحدثنا محمد بن بكار بن الريان حدثنا حسان يعني ابن إبراهيم عن سعيد بن مسروق عن يزيد بن حيان عن زيد بن أرقم عن النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم وساق الحديث بنحوه بمعنى حديث زهير حدثنا أبو بكر بن أبي شيبة حدثنا محمد بن فضيل ح وحدثنا إسحق بن إبراهيم أخبرنا جرير كلاهما عن أبي حيان بهذا الإسناد نحو حديث إسمعيل وزاد في حديث جرير كتاب الله فيه الهدى والنور من استمسك به وأخذ به كان على الهدى ومن أخطأه ضل حدثنا محمد بن بكار بن الريان حدثنا حسان يعني ابن إبراهيم عن سعيد وهو ابن مسروق عن يزيد بن حيان عن زيد بن أرقم قال دخلنا عليه فقلنا له لقد رأيت خيرا لقد صاحبت رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم وصليت خلفه وساق الحديث بنحو حديث أبي حيان غير أنه قال ألا وإني تارك فيكم ثقلين أحدهما كتاب الله عز وجل هو حبل الله من اتبعه كان على الهدى ومن تركه كان على ضلالة وفيه فقلنا من أهل بيته نساؤه قال لا وايم الله إن المرأة تكون مع الرجل العصر من الدهر ثم يطلقها فترجع إلى أبيها وقومها أهل

Ref : http://hadith.al-islam.com/Page.aspx?pageid=192&BookID=25&PID=4497

Book No. 44كتاب فضائل الصحابة


Chapter No. 04 باب من فضائل علي بن أبي طالب رضي الله عنه


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Farrukh

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02. I leave with you Quran and Ahl al-bayt Ref. Muslim 44/4, Nu2408; ibn hanbal 4/366; darimi 23/1, nu 3319.

I just studied this chapter &#1601;&#1590;&#1575;&#1574;&#1604; &#1593;&#1604;&#1610; &#1576;&#1606; &#1571;&#1576;&#1610; &#1591;&#1575;&#1604;&#1576; &#1585;&#1590;&#1610; &#1575;&#1604;&#1604;&#1607; and wasn't able to find even a single Hadith that mentions anything near to what you said. I know it may not be your fault, someone may have misguided you, but I want to bring a beautiful verse in your attention, I hope we will avoid such type of mistakes in future
“O you who believe! If a Faasiq (liar — evil person) comes to you with any news, verify it, lest you should harm people in ignorance, and afterwards you become regretful for what you have done”
[Quran 49:6]
 

Union

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I just studied this chapter &#1601;&#1590;&#1575;&#1574;&#1604; &#1593;&#1604;&#1610; &#1576;&#1606; &#1571;&#1576;&#1610; &#1591;&#1575;&#1604;&#1576; &#1585;&#1590;&#1610; &#1575;&#1604;&#1604;&#1607; and wasn't able to find even a single Hadith that mentions anything near to what you said. I know it may not be your fault, someone may have misguided you, but I want to bring a beautiful verse in your attention, I hope we will avoid such type of mistakes in future
&#8220;O you who believe! If a Faasiq (liar &#8212; evil person) comes to you with any news, verify it, lest you should harm people in ignorance, and afterwards you become regretful for what you have done&#8221;
[Quran 49:6]
Hilarious indeed . You blame somebody and make me naive only because you don't see something . How long you gonna deny the existence of sun only because your eyes are closed ??
You wanted to divert the whole issue by making a fuss on 44/4 , which is resolved . Then I provide you the link which will take you straight to the Hadith in question , still you don't see it . I also provided you English link for the hadith , still you pretend that you don't see the Hadith .Millions of Muslim know this Hadith for thousand years which seems that unknown to you .
Whatsoever , this single example of Hadith proves the fallacy of the whole Hadith literature , its nature of fabrication and contradiction . This is because Almighty GOD didn't take responsibly of preserving the Hadith as HE, the Exalted did for the Qur'an . Thats why people can make , alter and sell/buy their own hadith just to suit their own beliefs .
And again thank you for bring that Hadith which in turns furnishes this thread that Hadith is not the part of Islam .
 
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Union

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Islam, when taken at face value from the Qur'an, is incredibly simple. People have complicated the religion by adding things to it which aren't necessary. Most of the in-fighting amongst Muslims is because of the Hadith, not the Qur'an.

Very true . You can enjoy a peaceful and simple Muslim life when you follow the Qur'an . You can feel how Merciful the Almighty GOD is , made everything easy for us to reach and to please HIM :).
If you follow Islam as presented in Hadith , you will feel as if you are carrying a 1-ton of burden on your shoulder 24/7:bonk: .
 

Farrukh

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Hilarious indeed . You blame somebody and make me naive only because you don't see something . How long you gonna deny the existence of sun only because your eyes are closed ??
You wanted to divert the whole issue by making a fuss on 44/4 , which is resolved . Then I provide you the link which will take you straight to the Hadith in question , still you don't see it . I also provided you English link for the hadith , still you pretend that you don't see the Hadith .Millions of Muslim know this Hadith for thousand years which seems that unknown to you .
Whatsoever , this single example of Hadith proves the fallacy of the whole Hadith literature , its nature of fabrication and contradiction . This is because Almighty GOD didn't take responsibly of preserving the Hadith as HE, the Exalted did for the Qur'an . Thats why people can make , alter and sell/buy their own hadith just to suit their own beliefs .
And again thank you for bring that Hadith which in turns furnishes this thread that Hadith is not the part of Islam .

Ok, i failed to find anything with fake Sahih Muslim 44/4 reference,
no problem, lets see next reference that you provided for other hadith,
Sahih Muslim, Book of Hajj, Book 7 , Number 2803
what do you mean by 'Number 2803' ?? is it hadith number? or is it a page number?
 

Union

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Ok, i failed to find anything with fake Sahih Muslim 44/4 reference,
no problem, lets see next reference that you provided for other hadith,
Sahih Muslim, Book of Hajj, Book 7 , Number 2803
what do you mean by 'Number 2803' ?? is it hadith number? or is it a page number?

Hit the link I provided and you will know yourself . Thanks .
 

Farrukh

Active Member
Hit the link I provided and you will know yourself . Thanks .

it seems like you have no knowledge about what hadith is, just spreading propaganda on little misleading knowledge. you haven't explained any reference. there is no 2803 number on the link that you provided. now please stop playing.
 
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