why homosexualy and homosexual marriage is so wrong

[LuisDantas]

Believing in nothing and believing in God are not in harmony with eachother. What's your point? If you disagree with me, then disagree. I still don't see your point.

Why do people even talk about "believing in nothing"? That is hardly even possible, much less the alternative to being a theist.

 

[truthofscripture]

Yawn. Yes.

ETA: I'm 48 years old. Trust me when I say you wouldn't be the first person who tried to convert me.

Try to convert you? From what to what? I've made no such attempts. I simply asked a question.

 

[Marisa]

Try to convert you? From what to what? I've made no such attempts. I simply asked a question.

I find it somewhat insulting that you don't think I'd know where a conversation that starts "Have you ever investigated our Creator? I mean REALLY looked into the subject? " is headed.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

If God were imaginary, none of us would be here. No universe, no blog, no computer, no society, no nothing.

The existence of matter hardly proves anything, other than it seems reasonable to assume it's there. But what is reality? What is real? That question was hard enough in Socrates' time, but today quantum physics has really complicated that very basic question.
What proof do you have that this god, this "creator" being you speak of exists and is necessary for the order of the universe. A universe, of which, by the way, not a single one of us has any sort of understanding or vast amounts of knowledge of. It's quite a leap of faith on your part to promote yourself to such an authoritative position, when no one, not even those who study the universe, really knows what the universe is. We don't even know how big it is, and you are making this claim you know god is necessary? On what grounds is this god necessary?

 

[truthofscripture]

I find it somewhat insulting that you don't think I'd know where a conversation that starts "Have you ever investigated our Creator? I mean REALLY looked into the subject? " is headed.

You're free to read into it whatever you want, but I was simply asking a question. Most people have never researched the subject, and yet claim supreme knowledge about it. It seems that everybody is a life long scholar, when the facts don't bear it out. I don't debate anything that I know nothing about. In fact, I've spent the most of 5 decades doing in depth comparative research, and translationary research on the subject, and compared most of the so called Christian religions during that time. It's a pretty enlightening (with regards to people) journey.

 

[Marisa]

You're free to read into it whatever you want, but I was simply asking a question. Most people have never researched the subject, and yet claim supreme knowledge about it. It seems that everybody is a life long scholar, when the facts don't bear it out. I don't debate anything that I know nothing about. In fact, I've spent the most of 5 decades doing in depth comparative research, and translationary research on the subject, and compared most of the so called Christian religions during that time. It's a pretty enlightening (with regards to people) journey.

Ah, that's the key difference between you and me, right? You claim supreme knowledge when you assert you KNOW god is real.

Where did I do anything remotely similar?

And, I don't debate subjects I know quite a lot about. I enjoy conversations. But I gave up debating quite some time ago. Unless there's an audience, I might engage then, but only on certain subjects. Because everyone knows in a debate, it's not about changing the mind of your adversary, it's about reaching and influencing the minds of those who are following the debate.

 

[truthofscripture]

The existence of matter hardly proves anything, other than it seems reasonable to assume it's there. But what is reality? What is real? That question was hard enough in Socrates' time, but today quantum physics has really complicated that very basic question.
What proof do you have that this god, this "creator" being you speak of exists and is necessary for the order of the universe. A universe, of which, by the way, not a single one of us has any sort of understanding or vast amounts of knowledge of. It's quite a leap of faith on your part to promote yourself to such an authoritative position, when no one, not even those who study the universe, really knows what the universe is. We don't even know how big it is, and you are making this claim you know god is necessary? On what grounds is this god necessary?

I will give you some of the first examples. The scriptures tell us that the Earth hangs on nothing, that it is round, and that it is self repairing. Science didn't know these things for three to six thousand years after those words were written. The scriptures describe how the water cycle functions, many thousands of years before science had any clue. Those are only a couple of examples of the accuracy of the scientific mentions in the scriptures. The men, at the time of the writing of those words, were completely incapable of knowing these things. The scriptures are packed with hundreds of prophetic topics, and each one has come true exactly as mentioned, hundreds and even thousands of years in advance of their taking place. Those words didn't assemble themselves accidentally. There's a lot of other examples, but time limits me. I have a doctor's appointment for a cotrisone injection.

 

[LuisDantas]

Okay. Have you ever investigated our Creator? I mean REALLY looked into the subject? Not with a religion or church, but scripturally, or through other research methods.

Does looking at scripture and concepts of God and concluding that those can't possibly be anything but fantasies count?

 

[truthofscripture]

Does looking at scripture and concepts of God and concluding that those can't possibly be anything but fantasies count?

I was referring to actually studying to find out if the things in the scriptures are true. It takes a LONG time to tell using that method. Applying what's in the scriptures is a lot quicker, but most can't or won't do the things required to find out in that way. I've done it both ways, and came to the same conclusion.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I will give you some of the first examples. The scriptures tell us that the Earth hangs on nothing, that it is round, and that it is self repairing. Science didn't know these things for three to six thousand years after those words were written. The scriptures describe how the water cycle functions, many thousands of years before science had any clue. Those are only a couple of examples of the accuracy of the scientific mentions in the scriptures. The men, at the time of the writing of those words, were completely incapable of knowing these things. The scriptures are packed with hundreds of prophetic topics, and each one has come true exactly as mentioned, hundreds and even thousands of years in advance of their taking place. Those words didn't assemble themselves accidentally. There's a lot of other examples, but time limits me. I have a doctor's appointment for a cotrisone injection.

Irrelevant. Science, as we know it, has only existed a few hundred years. Many cultures, independently of each other, concluded the earth is just "hanging" in space; many observed, correctly, that the earth is not the center of the solar system and the earth revolves around the sun, unlike the Bible, which holds the Earth is fixed, unmoving, and that the sun revolves around the earth (which, by default, puts the earth at the center of the solar system). As for water, the Bible gives us a description that is no different that a tribal Pagan rain-dance, where it is understood that rain comes from god, rather than from water, vapor, pressure, and the other things we know today cause rain. The Koran (since you did not specify which scripture you are referring to) gives us an entirely non-existing barrier that prevents salt-and-fresh water from mixing, even though the two do mix, and an understanding of the sea that would have been less than the knowledge a sea-fairing Germanic child would have had.
As for "science" in the Bible, what is prescribes for the cure for leprosy is utter insanity and needless cruelty. The Bible also tells us the Earth has stood still, without the sun even moving its location in the sky, even though we know this simply cannot happen without a massive shock occurring to the earth.

 

[LuisDantas]

I was referring to actually studying to find out if the things in the scriptures are true.

Depending on which scriptures exactly you are talking about, I think that will lead to far less challenge and far less belief in God than you would want us do arrive at.

It takes a LONG time to tell using that method.

Really? Why so?

Applying what's in the scriptures is a lot quicker, but most can't or won't do the things required to find out in that way. I've done it both ways, and came to the same conclusion.

If that works for you, great.

 

[Salvador]

I believe that God designed a man's privates to be compatible with a woman's private part. Furthermore, I believe that God did not design a man's privates to be compatible with an exit point for fecal matter. I think we all can agree that there is a certain point of the body that is designed to be an exit point for excrement rather than an entry point for a penis. Also, dirty sex causes HIV/AIDs. I think God wants everybody to take care of his body which is a temple that houses his soul.

 

[The Hammer]

I believe that God designed a man's privates to be compatible with a woman's private part. Furthermore, I believe that God did not design a man's privates to be compatible with an exit point for fecal matter. I think we all can agree that there is a certain point of the body that is designed to be an exit point for excrement rather than an entry point for a penis. Also, dirty sex causes HIV/AID. I think God wants everybody to take care of his body which is a temple that houses his soul.

Unprotected sex, regardless of the genders involved causes AIDS.

 

[gsa]

I will give you some of the first examples. The scriptures tell us that the Earth hangs on nothing, that it is round, and that it is self repairing. Science didn't know these things for three to six thousand years after those words were written. The scriptures describe how the water cycle functions, many thousands of years before science had any clue. Those are only a couple of examples of the accuracy of the scientific mentions in the scriptures. The men, at the time of the writing of those words, were completely incapable of knowing these things. The scriptures are packed with hundreds of prophetic topics, and each one has come true exactly as mentioned, hundreds and even thousands of years in advance of their taking place. Those words didn't assemble themselves accidentally. There's a lot of other examples, but time limits me. I have a doctor's appointment for a cotrisone injection.

Even if we assumed that your interpretation of "scriptures" was correct (it is not), that is some mighty limited evidence of divine inspiration. Why didn't the scriptures explain calculus? Why didn't the scriptures provide us with the tools and knowledge for creating antibiotics? Why didn't the scriptures explain the existence of the New World?

I could go on, but the point is that the scriptures do not contain any language that is truly advanced and out of sync with the time period. Everything contained therein could have been produced, and almost certainly was produced, by limited human beings who were not given any knowledge that truly transcended their time and geography.

 

[gsa]

I believe that God designed a man's privates to be compatible with a woman's private part. Furthermore, I believe that God did not design a man's privates to be compatible with an exit point for fecal matter. I think we all can agree that there is a certain point of the body that is designed to be an exit point for excrement rather than an entry point for a penis. Also, dirty sex causes HIV/AID. I think God wants everybody to take care of his body which is a temple that houses his soul.

Let me clue you in on some fundamental biological realities: HIV does not miraculously generate itself in the process of having anal sex, or any other form of sex. HIV is a virus that has to be transmitted from someone carrying it to another person who is not carrying it.

We also can't agree that bodies are designed, because they are not designed. They are shaped by natural forces over deep time, in the process of natural selection.

 

[Marisa]

Depending on which scriptures exactly you are talking about, I think that will lead to far less challenge and far less belief in God than you would want us do arrive at.

Indeed. I know many atheists who cite a full reading of the bible as the reason they are no longer (specifically) christian. Speaking for myself, having been raised in a home in which religion was not endorsed, if I had a nickel for every time a believer has suggest I simply read the book, or seek god with an open heart, I'd be a wealthy individual, and using that wealth to influence politics.

 

[Marisa]

I believe that God designed a man's privates to be compatible with a woman's private part. Furthermore, I believe that God did not design a man's privates to be compatible with an exit point for fecal matter. I think we all can agree that there is a certain point of the body that is designed to be an exit point for excrement rather than an entry point for a penis. Also, dirty sex causes HIV/AID. I think God wants everybody to take care of his body which is a temple that houses his soul.

Personally, I think it was **** poor design to put our pleasure center in the middle of a waste production facility. But I don't dictate other people's behavior because of it.

 

[McBell]

How sweet, the deluded poster posting more delusions. If God were imaginary, none of us would be here. No universe, no blog, no computer, no society, no nothing.

Now with the transference...
Backed by the transferred.

 

[The Hammer]

Personally, I think it was **** poor design to put our pleasure center in the middle of a waste production facility. But I don't dictate other people's behavior because of it.

Only a civil engineer would place a waste treatment facility next to a playground

 

[McBell]

Only a civil engineer would place a waste treatment facility next to a playground

You must not be familiar with government...