why homosexualy and homosexual marriage is so wrong

[McBell]

It refers to misuse of the sexual organs. The only acceptable use of them is a married man and woman having intercourse. This does not mean that anal sex is acceptable, or oral sex either. The scriptures paint a very narrow description of acceptable sex.

Good thing I am not bound by your favoured scriptures.

 

[truthofscripture]

I am referring to requirements God set for His "people". The acts are "detestable" to God...not the person. Please read carefully the quoted scripture!!!

Realize that His people, since the inception of the new covenant the night before Jesus died, are not spiritual Israel, not physical Israel. One can be any national origin to be part of spiritual Israel. Physical Israel included only Jews under the law covenant. The nation of Israel broke that covenant, and it was replaced.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Move the goal posts much?
Interesting how you have to change it from "sex" to "sexual intercourse" in order to even have an argument.

Nice try.
Better luck next time.

Haha. When you have sex, you are having sexual intercourse. That's how it is defined in the dictionary when I put in the definition of sex.

Edit: You can say "I am having sex" or "I am having sexual intercourse" they mean the same thing.

Unless you mean by gender?

 

[Marisa]

I am referring to requirements God set for His "people". The acts are "detestable" to God...not the person. Please read carefully the quoted scripture!!!

If this was written any other way and mentioned something you consider part of the core of who and what you are as a human being, you'd have no problem understanding where the problem lies, and could put your finger right on it. Yes, it's about the person. Most people can't separate themselves from their sexual orientation any more than most people can't separate themselves from their religious belief.

 

[truthofscripture]

Thank you for clearing that up. It makes sense. I just wonder how two gay or lesbian Christians can consummate their love in marriage. I would ask in another thread, but it would turn into homosexuals cant be christian and no marriage argument instead.

Realize that no religion claiming to be Christian, actually is Christian. As far as Jehovah God is concerned, two men cannot marry, and two women cannot marry. The scriptures say that such people cannot inherit the kingdom of the Heavens. They will not survive the tribulation or the final battle, and will not be resurrected. The scriptures say they will experience the second death, gehenna. That means total, complete, permanent destruction.

 

[truthofscripture]

Haha. When you have sex, you are having sexual intercourse. That's how it is defined in the dictionary when I put in the definition of sex.

Edit: You can say "I am having sex" or "I am having sexual intercourse" they mean the same thing.

Unless you mean by gender?

The dictionary definition is NOT the scriptural definition, and therefore not God's definition. His definition is a married man and woman, with the man putting his penis into the woman's vagina. NO other "sex" is approved by God, according to the scriptures.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

That's why I shouldn't ask about the consummation. It turns into the marriage thing. Not what I was getting at though. I have read scripture is between man and woman, unfortunately.

Realize that no religion claiming to be Christian, actually is Christian. As far as Jehovah God is concerned, two men cannot marry, and two women cannot marry. The scriptures say that such people cannot inherit the kingdom of the Heavens. They will not survive the tribulation or the final battle, and will not be resurrected. The scriptures say they will experience the second death, gehenna. That means total, complete, permanent destruction.

 

[newone]

The bible is very clear about these acts...1Corinthians6:9,10 however the bible does provide hope note verse 11.

 

[McBell]

Haha. When you have sex, you are having sexual intercourse. That's how it is defined in the dictionary when I put in the definition of sex.

Only if you ignore all the other definitions of the word "sex".
Which you have to do in order for your argument to work.

Edit

: You can say "I am having sex" or "I am having sexual intercourse" they mean the same thing.

They CAN mean the same thing.
They can also mean other things which are not the same thing.
It is the latter fact you have to ignore in order for your argument to work.
Which makes your argument a fail.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

The dictionary used to have between man and woman. Since the homosexual rights and such, they took it out. Scripture does say between man and woman as the dictionary originally states. The dictionary also formally stated that it was natural penetration between man and woman (keeping it R rated; it's in the link).

The only thing it does not say that scripture does is marriage.

The dictionary definition is NOT the scriptural definition, and therefore not God's definition. His definition is a married man and woman, with the man putting his penis into the woman's vagina. NO other "sex" is approved by God, according to the scriptures.

 

[McBell]

Realize that no religion claiming to be Christian, actually is Christian. As far as Jehovah God is concerned, two men cannot marry, and two women cannot marry. The scriptures say that such people cannot inherit the kingdom of the Heavens. They will not survive the tribulation or the final battle, and will not be resurrected. The scriptures say they will experience the second death, gehenna. That means total, complete, permanent destruction.

Still making bold empty claims.

 

[McBell]

The dictionary definition is NOT the scriptural definition, and therefore not God's definition. His definition is a married man and woman, with the man putting his penis into the woman's vagina. NO other "sex" is approved by God, according to the scriptures.

You will need to provide the verses that support this claim.
Can you?

 

[truthofscripture]

That's why I shouldn't ask about the consummation. It turns into the marriage thing. Not what I was getting at though. I have read scripture is between man and woman, unfortunately.

Religions claiming to be Christian are false religion as per the scriptures, and are called Christendom, and Babylon the Great. What they allow is completely different from what Christians are permitted to do. Christians aren't actually part of any religion. They are part of the "one true faith" that Jesus taught. No church or clergy or dogma or beliefs their own. They only believe in the scriptures, nothing more, nothing less. Complete adherence to the scriptures. Christendom does not do that. They do not teach the scriptures. So if one wants to be "consummated" in a Christendom church, it is possible, as they do not adhere to the will of God. Christendom and God are completely at odds with eachother. There are only 8 million Christians, but there are hundreds of millions of those in Christendom. Only the 8 million are God's people though. They are the only ones to survive the tribulation and final battle. All the rest will be destroyed, as the scriptures tell us. They won't be resurrected either, because their destruction is their judgement. They won't go through judgement day, the 1000 years post Armageddon. The 8 million who are protected will teach all those who are to be resurrected, about God and His requirements for us. They will have the 1000 years to conform, or be destroyed forever.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

1st. What is your point?
2nd. What is the point you think I am saying?

I am just going by the dictionary's definition of sex. I am a homosexual and I have my own opinions about what sex is and what it is not. Since we are talking about dictionary and scripture and not me (or you) then yes, I will ignore parts of the definition that is not related to scripture and that doesn't apply to the conversation at hand.

Only if you ignore all the other definitions of the word "sex".
Which you have to do in order for your argument to work.


They CAN mean the same thing.
They can also mean other things which are not the same thing.
It is the latter fact you have to ignore in order for your argument to work.
Which makes your argument a fail.

 

[McBell]

Religions claiming to be Christian are false religion as per the scriptures, and are called Christendom, and Babylon the Great. What they allow is completely different from what Christians are permitted to do. Christians aren't actually part of any religion. They are part of the "one true faith" that Jesus taught. No church or clergy or dogma or beliefs their own. They only believe in the scriptures, nothing more, nothing less. Complete adherence to the scriptures. Christendom does not do that. They do not teach the scriptures. So if one wants to be "consummated" in a Christendom church, it is possible, as they do not adhere to the will of God. Christendom and God are completely at odds with eachother. There are only 8 million Christians, but there are hundreds of millions of those in Christendom. Only the 8 million are God's people though. They are the only ones to survive the tribulation and final battle. All the rest will be destroyed, as the scriptures tell us. They won't be resurrected either, because their destruction is their judgement. They won't go through judgement day, the 1000 years post Armageddon. The 8 million who are protected will teach all those who are to be resurrected, about God and His requirements for us. They will have the 1000 years to conform, or be destroyed forever.

Wow.
That has got to be the longest use of the No True Scotsman Fallacy I have seen.

 

[newone]

Religion is not like a politcal party that we choose because we like what the leaders say. Then with our input or influence we might mold this political party to our own needs or wants.
God does not work that way. He has given his requirements for us to serve him...it is not negotiable. But when he judges we can be sure he will be fair.

*sorry i am not directing my posts to anyone specific...just giving my "views"...

 

[truthofscripture]

1st. What is your point?
2nd. What is the point you think I am saying?

I am just going by the dictionary's definition of sex. I am a homosexual and I have my own opinions about what sex is and what it is not. Since we are talking about dictionary and scripture and not me (or you) then yes, I will ignore parts of the definition that is not related to scripture and that doesn't apply to the conversation at hand.

It appears that you're asking how one can consummate a homosexual union within Christendom. I believe that is the point of what you're asking. And Being Catholic, Buddhist, and pagan are all pagan. Catholicism is totally pagan, Buddhism is totally pagan, and of course, pagan is totally pagan. Pagan is any religion not worshiping Jehovah God.

 

[McBell]

I am just going by the dictionary's definition of sex.

Cherry picking a definition and ignoring the rest is just plain dishonest.

Sad you have no problems with it.

Now since you have stated you are not interested in honest discussion on the topic....
Have a nice day.

 

[Marisa]

Religion is not like a politcal party that we choose because we like what the leaders say. Then with our input or influence we might mold this political party to our own needs or wants.
God does not work that way. He has given his requirements for us to serve him...it is not negotiable. But when he judges we can be sure he will be fair.

How do you rationalize that against the bible's clear advocation of slavery, and yet mankinds clear rejection of that model?

 

[truthofscripture]

You will need to provide the verses that support this claim.
Can you?

You are on my ignore list. I won't answer you.