Monk Of Reason
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Symbiotic relationships happen all the time. I don't see why this is surprising?
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Why horses were used for riding just few thousands of years ago ?
- Thread starter FearGod
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Why not believe instead that God made all mammals to the benefit of snakes and bacteria?
dust1n
Zindīq
I guess God planned for Mongols to ride these horses in massive armies and burn Baghdad to the ground, including centuries of irreplaceable Islamic history?
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
Using your hands for doing bad things doesn't mean that God created them for bad deeds but still you can use them for such.
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
Fire can cook food and make you feel warm and can kill you as well.
Did God create fire to kill humans ?
What if He made us to be fuel for fire?
No. That is my point.
What reason there is to believe that he created horses for humans?
It seems far more reasonable to simply accept that things and beings exist and sometimes they benefit from each other, while other times they conflict with each other.
I guess what I mean is that I don't think you presented much in the way of evidence that horses were meant to be ridden by humans, nor that humans were meant to take advantage of horses.
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
Transportation, similarly the Homing pigeon in sending messages for long distances.
That is the use itself, not evidence that the use was meant to be, nor that the animals involved were somehow meant to be or to serve those purposes.
Is the fact that snakes sometimes bite and kill humans evidence that we are meant as sacrifice to snakes?
dust1n
Zindīq
Surely he saw giving the Mongols horses (Horses do originate from the Asian steppe) would eventually lead to the fall of Baghdad? Or did he not know that was going to happen?
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
Why there is CO2 in the air we breathe ?
We need Oxygen while the air consist of other gases mainly nitrogen.
God said that he created everything as to be in balance and he asked not to disturb it, the global warming is a result of it.
And the earth -We have spread it out wide, and placed on it mountains firm, and caused [life] of every kind to grow on it in a balanced manner, 15:19
So as we avoid CO2, we have to avoid snakes and lions and to keep them in the jungle where they supposed to be.
We use dolphins to help find and disarm underwater mines. I guess that means that dolphins were designed by God to benefit mankind so that we could disarm mines, purely.
EDIT: And we were only able to do that in the last 30 years or so. So surely this is what God intended them for.
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Among other reasons, because our breathing creates it.
We need the other gases as well, among other reasons because if air were too rich on oxygen we would intoxicate or even combust.
And no, that isn't really evidence of design, but rather of natural selection. People who suffocate, intoxicate or combust on their own natural atmosphere do not breed succesfully very often.
Trouble is, our existence is only possible by disturbing the balance to some degree or another. Sure, we must be aware of that and seek sustainability. But you make it look like a very simple decision, and it is not so.
Global warming is hardly the only ecological consideration we need to have. And I'm pretty sure it can only be found very allegorically and dependent on interpretation and artistic license, if at all, in either Quran or Hadith. Or for that matter, Christian scripture, Torah or Talmud.
Surely you realize that, laudable as the verse is, it is not at all specific. It is not even clear that it means any ecological considerations.
We do, in fact, need CO2. It is not breathable, but it is not exactly toxic either. And besides helping in keeping the rate of oxygen in our air within survivable levels, it is absolutely indispensable for plants' survival. And humans could hardly hope to survive without plants for food.
Monk Of Reason
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It makes just as much sense to assume that as it does to assume that god made horses for humans.
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
How many person is using dolphins for locating mines compared to the fact that horses are used for riding worldwide for long time ago.
Dogs were used for guarding and herding, nowadays they are also used for other things.
Exactly, it took thousands of years of God guiding and directing us, to realize that we could have uses for dolphins, like mine hunting. First we had to be guided into making mines. Why did we not realize dolphins had uses 100, 000 years ago? Because God knew we didn't need them yet. But he created them in the beginning specifically for us to use in this manner. Just like he created horses for us to ride.
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
The best answer is God's words
ARE YOU NOT aware that God has made subservient to you all that is in the heavens and all that is on earth, and has lavished upon you His blessings, both outward and inward? And yet, among men there is many a one that argues about God without having any knowledge [of Him], without any guidance, and without any light-giving revelation;(31:20)
McBell
Unbound
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
God wanted it to happen exactly the same way that he promised that he'll enable the Jews to conquer Palestine and to let them to control the world near the end of time.
McBell
Unbound
Hopefully god will join RF and let us know.....