Why horses were used for riding just few thousands of years ago ?

[McBell]

Read the thread. If you still don't see ... meh

:biglaugh:

 

[apophenia]

I love the Twilight Zone. It's dark even today, though I suppose that's understandable when you know Serling's military record.

And he was born on christmas day.

But listen, word to the wise, we are possibly off topic and someone is getting ******. LOL

I'll leave it at that, and let him have the last word, should it matter to him

 

[averageJOE]

This thread is no different than Ray Comforts banana "theory".

 

[Shad]

What is the value of the electric current that generated in our bodies ?

Look up ATP in organism and humans in a biology text book. It varies from person to person and depends on what they are doing. Some people are capable of generating 11000 watts a day. A majority is for body heat and lost to excess.

This Flashlight Is Powered by the Touch of Your Hand | Innovation | Smithsonian

 

[Sapiens]

This thread is no different than Ray Comforts banana "theory".

Naw, this thread is kinda dumb ... Comfort's banana theory reveals abject stupidity combined with sexual dysfunction.

 

[Nietzsche]

Naw, this thread is kinda dumb ... Comfort's banana theory reveals abject stupidity combined with sexual dysfunction.

Quite. Comfort's Banana is deliciously ironic. What does he use as proof of an all-knowing, all-powerful creator-God? A man-made fruit that has only been around since the mid 1800s.

 

[Sapiens]

Quite. Comfort's Banana is deliciously ironic. What does he use as proof of an all-knowing, all-powerful creator-God? A man-made fruit that has only been around since the mid 1800s.

Living (as I do in Hawaii) and having a sustainable farm (as my wife and I do) makes that joke all the more personal.

As far as I know there are 28 cultivars of bananas, I grow eight of them. I do not bother with the Cavendish, the plant that most of you eat as a banana, but that I will not bother with since it is so inferior to the other cultivars that do not travel as well, a plant that is infertile and man-made.

 

[Nietzsche]

Living (as I do in Hawaii) and having a sustainable farm (as my wife and I do) makes that joke all the more personal.

As far as I know there are 28 cultivars of bananas, I grow eight of them. I do not bother with the Cavendish, the plant that most of you eat as a banana, but that I will not bother with since it is so inferior to the other cultivars that do not travel as well, a plant that is infertile and man-made.

Yep. Fun fact for those who don't know: The Cavendish Banana? If I remember correctly each banana is a clone of the first one from the 1800s. You may notice that compared to other fruits, the Banana has an amazing consistency regarding flavour, texture & appearance. All the changes you might find are the result of different growing conditions(not enough food/water/sun) or over-ripened(you can work this one out yourself).

 

[oldbadger]

Hey, I found this ...

"Cats hold a special place to the Muslims, since Prophet Muhammad is very fond of cats.................

Ah ha! That's why doggies don't count!
........... is this why laws about dogs and dog-keeping in Iran are so fierce?
I wonder, can you take a cat for a walk in a public place, but not a dog?
Was this love of *****-cats evolution, or the wish of a creator?

 

[FearGod]

Hey, I found this ...

"Cats hold a special place to the Muslims, since Prophet Muhammad is very fond of cats.

One story mentioned that a cat saved Prophet Mohammad from being bitten by a deadly snake.

There was also a story of the Prophet cutting off his shirt sleeve rather than disturbing his sleeping cat when it was time for prayers. When people at the mosque noticed him wearing a torn sleeved robe, they asked "Holy Prophet, why is your garment torn?"

The Prophet simply replied that his cat is sleeping soundly upon the sleeve of his robe and rather than disturbing the cat, he cut the sleeve and put on what remained of his garment. The Prophet is so kind to animals that he would not pull the garment or awaken the cat, instead he rather cut his robe and let the cat sleep undisturbed.

It is a well-known fact that the Prophet is a cat lover and respect animals. Muslims are taught to follow his exemplary behaviour on kindness to animals.

A companion of the Prophet was given the name Abu Hurairah. The name Abu Hurairah means 'father of the cats'. Abu Hurairah was given this name because where ever he goes, he always had a kitten with him.


The Prophet also mentioned "To catch birds and imprison them in cages without any special purpose is considered abominable." Hence if you have birds living in cages, set them free. "

In Hadith (Muslim religious text) of Sahih Bukhari, Vol. 4, Book 56, Number 673, narrated by Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, "While a dog was going round a well and was about to die of thirst, an Israeli prostitute saw it and took off her shoe and watered it. So Allah forgave her because of that good deed."

In another Hadith text, the Prophet told his companions of a woman who would be sent to Hell for having locked up a cat; not feeding it, nor even releasing it so that it could feed herself."

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/1468-65-holy-prophet-muhammad-cats

Being kind to animals doesn't mean that we are bad if we believe that horses were made to help man in his transportation as camel is as well.

As i said before that we kill sheep,cow,chicken ..etc to eat them, so we believe that God created them as a source for our food and believing so isn't a bad thing.

 

[FearGod]

This thread is no different than Ray Comforts banana "theory".

No, it is more to the penis theory.

I don't find it in the net but it says that the penis was designed to fit the vagina during the intercourse, and then shrinking to its actual size after orgasm.

Some rejected it and their excuses were that if it was designed then God should design the penis as to keep the erection longer so that women can reach orgasm as well, whereas the defenders say that God purpose is that man should spend more time in kissing and touching before inserting his penis to the vagina for an intimate relationship.

 

[FearGod]

Ah ha! That's why doggies don't count!
........... is this why laws about dogs and dog-keeping in Iran are so fierce?
I wonder, can you take a cat for a walk in a public place, but not a dog?
Was this love of *****-cats evolution, or the wish of a creator?

Dogs are still used to guard houses and for herding , I think Muslims hate only pigs because they are very dirty animals.

The story of the seven sleepers which mentioned in the quran and their dog was sleeping with them,it confirms that dogs are friendly to humans.
Seven Sleepers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[apophenia]

Being kind to animals doesn't mean that we are bad if we believe that horses were made to help man in his transportation as camel is as well.

As i said before that we kill sheep,cow,chicken ..etc to eat them, so we believe that God created them as a source for our food and believing so isn't a bad thing.

I agree, that is not a 'bad' thing.

We do what we must. And of course, we must eat. In some places the choice of vegetarian or carnivore/omnivore is a free choice. In other places it is not. For example, in Tibet there are many places which simply cannot support the choice of vegetarianism, because the climate and conditions make that impossible. That is probably true in the desert too,

My objection is to the idea that humans are inherently superior and have all rights over all other lifeforms.Unfortunately this idea has spawned terrible cruelty, and self-defeating foolishness.

I included the history about Mohammed to let you know that I know something about his love for non-human creatures, and his recognition of 'creature-hood' - I thank YmirGF for coining that term.

 

[Godobeyer]

of course God , who planned the female organe to match with male organe ....who planned male oragan to match with female organe , of course God ,who planned the instinct of sex as desire ,who plannned the sprem and Egg cell to match with each other, of course God .
then who plannned the milk produced from the breast just after the birth of the baby . of course God

(note i have almost similare post in other thread)

 

[LegionOnomaMoi]

Modern humans were there.

The species that you and all other living human beings on this planet belong to is Homo sapiens.

We're Homo sapiens sapiens, as opposed to Homo sapiens neanderthalensis. The latter aren't considered modern Humans.

No, humans were in need to think for more than 100,000 years to start learning how to ride a horse.

I'm sorry, but I don't understand. I suspect a language barrier here.

Who said that math wasn't constructed by man?

Leopold Kronecker, perhaps most famously (although he actually said that God created the integers, and did so in response to a prove of a type of number he believed didn't exist). The idea that mathematics is not a construction of humans goes back at least as far as Plato.

but how long modern humans lived to construct math as we know it today, around 200,000 years and then you're surprised why God had to spent a long of time to evolve modern humans from simple ones to more advanced ones.

I'm not surprised. It's called agriculture. Once we were able to plant, farm, and raise animals for food rather than hunt the capacity for specialization increased quickly and dramatically. Artisans have little place in a hunter/gatherer society that is usually always bordering on starvation. Same with permanent residences built from stone, literature, coins, patrons (or their modern equivalents), etc. Humans have learned more, developed more, and increased in technical sophistication (along with academia in general) within the last few centuries than they have over the last 100,000+ years. This isn't the result of a learning curve, as humans learned little and changed little for most of our existence.

And what had prevented modern humans from inventing the computers 100,000 years ago ?

The inability to devote resources beyond sustaining a small population thanks to reliance on the availability of game and food that grew in the wild or required minimal cultivation.

It is about logical reasoning, thing started from simple to more complex and to more advanced.

What do you mean by "things"? Human constructions?

Is it logical to think that man invented the car before knowing the wheels or invented the TV without knowing the electricity.

No. It's just not relevant.

Do you think it is logical to evolve humans before bringing the food needed for him to stay alive.

I think humans were little better than other apes are now when it came to survival. For most of our existence, the food needed meant most humans existed only in small populations and that those who couldn't contribute to the community were left to die (such as unwanted infants or the elderly). The "food needed" resulted from the human development of agriculture after modern humans had existed for tens of thousands of years.

 

[apophenia]

Ah ha! That's why doggies don't count!
........... is this why laws about dogs and dog-keeping in Iran are so fierce?
I wonder, can you take a cat for a walk in a public place, but not a dog?
Was this love of *****-cats evolution, or the wish of a creator?

Did you read the second-last paragraph ?

"In Hadith (Muslim religious text) of Sahih Bukhari, Vol. 4, Book 56, Number 673, narrated by Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, "While a dog was going round a well and was about to die of thirst, an Israeli prostitute saw it and took off her shoe and watered it. So Allah forgave her because of that good deed."

 

[Godobeyer]

Did you read the second-last paragraph ?

"In Hadith (Muslim religious text) of Sahih Bukhari, Vol. 4, Book 56, Number 673, narrated by Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, "While a dog was going round a well and was about to die of thirst, an Israeli prostitute saw it and took off her shoe and watered it. So Allah forgave her because of that good deed."

this is famous hadith about good deed and mercy .
thanks for post it here

 

[FearGod]

We're Homo sapiens sapiens, as opposed to Homo sapiens neanderthalensis. The latter aren't considered modern Humans.

where did i mention Homo neanderthalensis ?

I'm sorry, but I don't understand. I suspect a language barrier here.

Let me put it in simpler way.

Do you think it's rational that modern human spent more than 150,000 years to learn how to ride the horse ?

Leopold Kronecker, perhaps most famously (although he actually said that God created the integers, and did so in response to a prove of a type of number he believed didn't exist). The idea that mathematics is not a construction of humans goes back at least as far as Plato.

I don't agree with them, human constructed math and other things with knowledge.

I'm not surprised. It's called agriculture. Once we were able to plant, farm, and raise animals for food rather than hunt the capacity for specialization increased quickly and dramatically. Artisans have little place in a hunter/gatherer society that is usually always bordering on starvation. Same with permanent residences built from stone, literature, coins, patrons (or their modern equivalents), etc. Humans have learned more, developed more, and increased in technical sophistication (along with academia in general) within the last few centuries than they have over the last 100,000+ years. This isn't the result of a learning curve, as humans learned little and changed little for most of our existence.

Modern human was still primitive just few thousands of years ago, just imagine how the world looked like just 3000 years ago, the question is how knowledge increased rapidly in just few thousands of years compared to the existence of Homo sapiens for 200,000 years.

The inability to devote resources beyond sustaining a small population thanks to reliance on the availability of game and food that grew in the wild or required minimal cultivation.

We were lucky, thanks for the good chances and the luck !!

What do you mean by "things"? Human constructions?

I mean that it's rational that complexity started first with simplicity.
For example cars 50 years ago wasn't as complex as today's cars similarly Homo erectus wasn't as smart as Homo sapiens.

No. It's just not relevant.

It's relevant but you didn't get my point.

I think humans were little better than other apes are now when it came to survival. For most of our existence, the food needed meant most humans existed only in small populations and that those who couldn't contribute to the community were left to die (such as unwanted infants or the elderly). The "food needed" resulted from the human development of agriculture after modern humans had existed for tens of thousands of years.

Do you think human was lucky that food were ready before his existence, is it all about good chances and luck or someone had planned for it ?

 

[LegionOnomaMoi]

where did i mention Homo neanderthalensis ?

You didn't. You mentioned Homo sapiens. However, neanderthals are Homo sapiens.

Do you think it's rational that modern human spent more than 150,000 years to learn how to ride the horse ?

I think it doesn't matter, as they didn't do this.

I don't agree with them, human constructed math and other things with knowledge.

Fair enough. But are you aware of their arguments.

Modern human was still primitive just few thousands of years ago, just imagine how the world looked like just 3000 years ago, the question is how knowledge increased rapidly in just few thousands of years compared to the existence of Homo sapiens for 200,000 years.

Humans didn't change. The fact that human society was "primitive" a few thousand years ago simply reflects how much incidental discoveries result in a totally different existence.

We were lucky, thanks for the good chances and the luck !!

Were we lucky or does this somehow relate to God?

I mean that it's rational that complexity started first with simplicity.

It didn't.

For example cars 50 years ago wasn't as complex as today's cars similarly Homo erectus wasn't as smart as Homo sapiens.

You're conflating complexity with other notions. There are various metrics of complexity. Which are you using?

Do you think human was lucky that food were ready before his existence, is it all about good chances and luck or someone had planned for it ?

I think we are just as lucky as viruses, less lucky than extremophiles, and that most of the food we eat wasn't around before our existence. We cultivated and/or made it.

 

[FearGod]

You didn't. You mentioned Homo sapiens. However, neanderthals are Homo sapiens.

Homo neanderthals went extinct, i am talking about modern human of today (Homo sapiens sapiens)

I think it doesn't matter, as they didn't do this.

They didn't learn or what and how it doesn't matter ?

Fair enough. But are you aware of their arguments.

What about number "0", if God made it for humans then it should be known to them 100,000 years ago, but i believe that God made modern human to be smarter which enabled them to gain knowledge, similar to electricity that exist in nature and we work it out to use it by knowledge.

Humans didn't change. The fact that human society was "primitive" a few thousand years ago simply reflects how much incidental discoveries result in a totally different existence.

What incidental discoveries will do if human minds were dull.

Were we lucky or does this somehow relate to God?

I don't believe that accidents ,chances and luck were behind it.

It didn't.
You're conflating complexity with other notions. There are various metrics of complexity. Which are you using?

The ability to think which means that Homo sapiens have a better designed brain compared to the earlier ones..

I think we are just as lucky as viruses, less lucky than extremophiles, and that most of the food we eat wasn't around before our existence. We cultivated and/or made it.

God warned us about other creatures which is called the jinn or the unseen creatures which means that we can't see them but they can do harm us, The Prophet said:“ Close your doors and cover your vessels and tie up your water skins and put out your lamps, for Satan (and the jinn) do not open a closed door, nor do they take off a cover or untie water skins”. ,IOW we have to protect ourselves from such creatures,because if they entered then they may harm us.