Why I believe God Created Life.

[rusra02]

Desperation? What am I supposed to be desperate about? What you are implying is the same thing as me expecting to prove Harry Potter as being a scientific, historical text. Good luck with that too. If you can give me one actual and provable instance where the bible is certifiably showing that its god is real and exists, I shall move over into the religious camp and declare the errors of my way. So far hundreds of biblical scholars—the real kind with degrees and credibility in the field--have not managed to do what you claim. Go for it!

Nice of you to throw some biblical quote in now and again. Makes this all so much more compelling to believe in for sure. You might not have a clue about science, but you sure know that bible for all that’s worth.

Oh, I have examined the facts and they lead me to the conclusion that all religions, yours included are nothing else but created by the desperation of some people to escape oblivion by claiming an afterlife; they serve some people’s need to abrogate all responsibility by claiming that their god will either fix it or forgive them for being amoral and unethical losers; and of course my all-time favorite religion is used to control people (that would be the mass of sheeple) and legitimize behavior and actions that would otherwise not be defensible.

Here is an example of that. St. Louis Archbishop Didn't Know Sex With Children Was a Crime - NBC News
So keep your pants on, you are frothing at the mouth and it’s not a pretty sight…might just toss up those delectable biscuits…

You may find it strange that I agree with you about religions, at least to a degree. The conduct you find so deplorable in many religions is also roundly condemned in the Bible. Regarding such false worshipers, Titus 1:16 says: "They publicly declare that they know God, but they disown him by their works, because they are detestable and disobedient and not approved for good work of any sort."
2 Peter 2:1,2 predicted such vile conduct: "However, there also came to be false prophets among the people, as there will also be false teachers among you. These will quietly bring in destructive sects, and they will even disown the owner who bought them, bringing speedy destruction upon themselves.*Furthermore, many will follow their brazen conduct, and because of them the way of the truth will be spoken of abusively."
True Christians do not perpetrate such monstrous evils, but sadly, many claiming to be "Christians" are nothing of the sort, IMO. And as the Bible promises in the very next verse (2 Peter 2:3) "But their judgment, decided long ago, is not moving slowly, and their destruction is not sleeping."

 

[Simurgh]

You may find it strange that I agree with you about religions, at least to a degree. The conduct you find so deplorable in many religions is also roundly condemned in the Bible. Regarding such false worshipers, Titus 1:16 says: "They publicly declare that they know God, but they disown him by their works, because they are detestable and disobedient and not approved for good work of any sort."
2 Peter 2:1,2 predicted such vile conduct: "However, there also came to be false prophets among the people, as there will also be false teachers among you. These will quietly bring in destructive sects, and they will even disown the owner who bought them, bringing speedy destruction upon themselves.*Furthermore, many will follow their brazen conduct, and because of them the way of the truth will be spoken of abusively."
True Christians do not perpetrate such monstrous evils, but sadly, many claiming to be "Christians" are nothing of the sort, IMO. And as the Bible promises in the very next verse (2 Peter 2:3) "But their judgment, decided long ago, is not moving slowly, and their destruction is not sleeping."

And what exactly is the purpose of those bible verses? You might agree with me on some things, fine. But are you not capable of having an opinion without reverting to what you seem to consider an authority--the bible? I mean, being able to quote other people to give validity to your own ideas is a bit strange and looks to me as if you only dare to have an opinion because someone else told you that you are allowed to think as long as it has been approved prior to you stating anything.

Also, i think those who claim to be true christians are actually just that, true christians,people who are so convinced of their righteousness that they do not waste one thought on how their actions impact others. they just ruin other peoples lives safe in the knowledge that their god forgives them. What utter cow manure.

 

[rusra02]

And what exactly is the purpose of those bible verses? You might agree with me on some things, fine. But are you not capable of having an opinion without reverting to what you seem to consider an authority--the bible? I mean, being able to quote other people to give validity to your own ideas is a bit strange and looks to me as if you only dare to have an opinion because someone else told you that you are allowed to think as long as it has been approved prior to you stating anything.

Also, i think those who claim to be true christians are actually just that, true christians,people who are so convinced of their righteousness that they do not waste one thought on how their actions impact others. they just ruin other peoples lives safe in the knowledge that their god forgives them. What utter cow manure.

I have come to the conclusion that the Bible is inspired by God, and contains his thoughts, not those of men. Therefore, I believe that what the Bible says is trustworthy and true. Rather than rely on the thinking of short-lived and short-sighted men, including my own thinking, it is far better to trust in the infinitely superior wisdom of the one who created us. We have only to look at the mess people make of their lives, individually and collectively, to see human thinking without God's guidance leads to disaster. (Jeremiah 10:23)
A person can claim to be or believe in anything. People claim to be doctors, for example, but have little or no knowledge required for such a profession. Saying you are a Christian doesn't make you one, anymore than saying you're a doctor makes you a doctor.

 

[Simurgh]

I have come to the conclusion that the Bible is inspired by God, and contains his thoughts, not those of men. Therefore, I believe that what the Bible says is trustworthy and true. Rather than rely on the thinking of short-lived and short-sighted men, including my own thinking, it is far better to trust in the infinitely superior wisdom of the one who created us. We have only to look at the mess people make of their lives, individually and collectively, to see human thinking without God's guidance leads to disaster. (Jeremiah 10:23)
A person can claim to be or believe in anything. People claim to be doctors, for example, but have little or no knowledge required for such a profession. Saying you are a Christian doesn't make you one, anymore than saying you're a doctor makes you a doctor.

Regarding those misrepresentation of xtianity. I am saying that those who claim to be such clearly think that their actions are in accord with their particular interpretation of what being xtian means. And nothing you can say will disabuse me of that idea. Look at that hate-group, the Westboro Baptist Church. They clearly are xtians and act in accordance with their belief. Now that might not be your brand of faith, but that does not mean that they are not what they say they are. They simply live it in their way. I simply want nothing to do with either their kind of xtianity or yours. Quoting your scripture to me profusely as if that ought to mean something changes nothing. In the end, you are all the same. You all claim that your invented god gives you the right to do what you want without taking responsibility for any of it.

You really believe that those guys that wrote and edited the things that make up the xtian bible reflects the thoughts of some god? Then do you also believe that all other scriptures were such thoughts inspired/translated/interpreted by men who wrote them down until some other men came around to select some of the writings and put them together to form a body of writings that they then insisted were the reflections of god X (fill in with the name of deity of choice) That takes some truly blind faith. Better you than me.

I prefer to deal with the tangible rather than mythology born of fear and uncertainty that is passed off as the words/thoughts of some omnipotent figurehead with immoral and unethical tendencies that his followers exploit only too willingly and happily.

I fully understand the functional-structural reasons why many humans have this need for a godhead, I just don’t share the need for that cop-out system. Not that I cannot appreciate fiction, I do read novels on occasion, but on the whole I prefer reality and rational thought to fairy tales and artificially created warm and fuzzies.

 

[Darkstorn]

Evolution claims life arose from a series of chance events.

Argh. No it doesn't. It does however imply that absolutely nothing happens by chance. So pretty much the opposite of what you're claiming... So yeah. I won't even bother reading beyond this because it shows your lack of undertanding of the subject you are trying to argue.

I get a strong feeling of "god of the gaps" from here. But hear this: The concept of god of the gaps comes from Christians... As a way to ridicule those with faith so strenuous that they find evidence of god from gaps of science... Instead of treating all of the scientifically verified things as god's work in the first place...

Now, i don't believe in god. But i strongly agree with the following: People who find evidence for the existence of god from LACK of other explanations are idiots who bring nothing good to the table: At best they ridicule other people of faith.

Your post therefore counts as a disadvantage to the creationist side: Even most creationists would not agree with that sort of thinking.

/E: REALISTIC creationist view: Evolution exists... But God did it. You should try this sometimes.

 

[rusra02]

Argh. No it doesn't. It does however imply that absolutely nothing happens by chance. So pretty much the opposite of what you're claiming... So yeah. I won't even bother reading beyond this because it shows your lack of undertanding of the subject you are trying to argue.

I get a strong feeling of "god of the gaps" from here. But hear this: The concept of god of the gaps comes from Christians... As a way to ridicule those with faith so strenuous that they find evidence of god from gaps of science... Instead of treating all of the scientifically verified things as god's work in the first place...

Now, i don't believe in god. But i strongly agree with the following: People who find evidence for the existence of god from LACK of other explanations are idiots who bring nothing good to the table: At best they ridicule other people of faith.

Your post therefore counts as a disadvantage to the creationist side: Even most creationists would not agree with that sort of thinking.

/E: REALISTIC creationist view: Evolution exists... But God did it. You should try this sometimes.

Evolutionist Robert Naeye writes regarding life that it is the result of "a long sequence of improbable events transpired in just the right way to bring forth our existence, as if we had won a million-dollar lottery a million times in a row."

"Chance,and chance alone, did it all, from the primeval soup to man." Nobel laureate Christian de Duve.

"Pure chance, absolutely free but blind, [is] at the root of the stupendous edifice of evolution." "Man knows at last that he is alone in the universe's unfeeling immensity, out of which he emerged only by chance." Nobel laureate Jacques L. Monod.

Perhaps your argument is with other evolutionists?

 

[Apostlelypse]

I prefer to deal with the tangible rather than mythology born of fear and uncertainty that is passed off as the words/thoughts of some omnipotent figurehead with immoral and unethical tendencies that his followers exploit only too willingly and happily.

I fully understand the functional-structural reasons why many humans have this need for a godhead, I just don’t share the need for that cop-out system. Not that I cannot appreciate fiction, I do read novels on occasion, but on the whole I prefer reality and rational thought to fairy tales and artificially created warm and fuzzies.

Could you stop trolling?

 

[viole]

Evolutionist Robert Naeye writes regarding life that it is the result of "a long sequence of improbable events transpired in just the right way to bring forth our existence, as if we had won a million-dollar lottery a million times in a row."

"Chance,and chance alone, did it all, from the primeval soup to man." Nobel laureate Christian de Duve.

This is valid for anything, even that piece of dirt I am observing on a garden.

What were the chances of that piece of dirt, with exactly that form and physical composition to be exactly at that location today?

Yet, it is there. And I doubt God created the Universe for it.

Ciao

- viole

 

[rusra02]

This is valid for anything, even that piece of dirt I am observing on a garden.

What were the chances of that piece of dirt, with exactly that form and physical composition to be exactly at that location today?

Yet, it is there. And I doubt God created the Universe for it.

Ciao

- viole

Chance does not cause a manual typewriter to form, much less a computer. Yet, evolutionists would have us believe that, contrary to all the evidence, infinitely more complex structures arose simply by chance. IMO, that is not science but rather, blind credulity. Study of living marvels that are all around us is convincing more thinking people that the ToE is wrong, that there has to be a supremely intelligent Creator who deserves our respectful attention.

 

[viole]

Chance does not cause a manual typewriter to form, much less a computer. Yet, evolutionists would have us believe that, contrary to all the evidence, infinitely more complex structures arose simply by chance. IMO, that is not science but rather, blind credulity. Study of living marvels that are all around us is convincing more thinking people that the ToE is wrong, that there has to be a supremely intelligent Creator who deserves our respectful attention.

I take note that you consider "evolutionists" less thinking people.

You still do not understand, like all creationists, that chance is not the only game in town. What you need are

- Small random mutations (chance): the main driver of fresh new information, either useful or not (mostly not)
- Advantage of survival and reproduction if the tiny mutation is useful in the current environment (not chance)
- Transmission of the mutation to the offsprings which will enjoy the same advantage towards reproduction and transmission of the same mutation (not chance)
- Disappearance of the organisms which do not have the useful mutation (not chance)

It is obvious then, that many tiny useful random mutations will accumulate to provide arbitrarily high levels of complexity automatically. All you need is time, which is plenty given the geological scale of the age of the earth.

What is so difficult to accept about it, more thinking guy? Please name the step you find difficult to accept.

Ciao

- viole

 

[Triumphant_Loser]

Chance does not cause a manual typewriter to form, much less a computer. Yet, evolutionists would have us believe that, contrary to all the evidence, infinitely more complex structures arose simply by chance. IMO, that is not science but rather, blind credulity. Study of living marvels that are all around us is convincing more thinking people that the ToE is wrong, that there has to be a supremely intelligent Creator who deserves our respectful attention.

Complexity does not necessarily mean in need of a creator. God is a complex structure, who created him? Who created his creator? and so on...

 

[Apostlelypse]

She's a joke.

This.

 

[Simurgh]

Could you stop trolling?

And that kind of petty slander is what you can come up with instead of making valid points in your posts? Me trolling? Do you feel threatened by people like me who call you on your ignorant rants? Then i suggest you stick to your bible verses and quote them elsewhere. ...but cut down on your patronizing attitude, it does not work when you have nothing to back it up with...

 

[Apostlelypse]

And that kind of petty slander is what you can come up with instead of making valid points in your posts? Me trolling? Do you feel threatened by people like me who call you on your ignorant rants? Then i suggest you stick to your bible verses and quote them elsewhere. ...but cut down on your patronizing attitude, it does not work when you have nothing to back it up with...

Fair enough. You seem like a fairly pro-active Athiest so let me ask you.

1. As an Athiest, what brings you to a religious board?
2. You'd probably agree that your existence happened by chance, do you find your life has purpose and meaning? if so, what is that meaning?

 

[Simurgh]

Fair enough. You seem like a fairly pro-active Athiest so let me ask you.

1. As an Athiest, what brings you to a religious board?
2. You'd probably agree that your existence happened by chance, do you find your life has purpose and meaning? if so, what is that meaning?

As an atheist i have studied religions and their purpose for most of my life. Primarily to figure out why people seem to need religion.

My life has purpose and meaning because of the impact i and my work have on people. that is sufficient meaning for me.

 

[McBell]

I need to get something off my chest. The real reason I'm here is I am trying to get God back into my life. You see, I'm 22 and needed to make sure I wasn't gay. I figured the best way to do that was suck a di**. I figured that it's only skin and it's just like sucking your thumb. So I met a strikingly attractive man one day while playing disc golf and I told him about my plan. He was a little skeptical but after two beers he warmed up to the idea. So I assume the position and pull down his pants. I'll never forget the first thought "What the fu** is that thing? Is that supposed to be his di**? Well apparently he wasn't circumcised and it looked like an ***** anteater. So I take him into my mouth and I don't want to get into the nasty details but half way through I realized I didn't like it but I'm never a quitter. I finished him off. After that I realized that I'm not gay. I just figured that I should find out because what happens if I was 70 and sucked my first di** but liked it? I would have been missing out on 50 years of blowing people. Now I feel that I need God back in my life like no other time.

Now that I got that off my chest I have to tell you guys the worst thing I've probably ever done. It was 11th grade. A friend of ours had banged this skankily hot girl and is telling us that she is a beast in the sack. We're all hanging out at his house and he gets a call from her and she's on her way over for another go. He has the nerve to try to usher us out but we're having none of it. The guy was known for scrogging chicks left and right so it was pretty easy to persuade him into letting all 5 of us hide in different parts of his room while they bash leather. We all did a great job of hiding because she wasn't in the room 2 minutes before she was naked and gobbling his schlong. 1 guy was in the corner behind a curtain, 1 idiot got under the bed, my one friend hahaha... sorry... gets under a huuuge pile of dirty clothes and his face was just kinda of sticking out... like a big dirty clothes jabba the hutt... we were all dying from laughing. Then me and and another friend have front row seats in his closet perfectly comfortable, standing up and looking right at their business on the bed in front of us. Now, in retrospect, this whole thing wasn't thought through properly. 5 immature doufouses (or is it doufi?) trying to go undetected when a girl is talking so dirty that the paint in the room was melting and young children in other towns probably started crying and nobody knew why. But we did. We're all mustering every ounce within us to not bust out laughing. She gets out from under him and repositions herself onto all fours to make some puppies and sticks her *** up and then it happened... She busted a queef that would've calved glaciers. Unreal. It proved too much... the strain was too great... no sooner did the queef stop than 3 of the 5 of us did that laughing sound that's hard to spell. That same sound you make when you're trying to choke down a bong hit. But we were strong enough to resist breaking out into full laughter... hands over mouth style. But, the gig was up... our buddy that was putting in the work kind of chuckled as she says "What the hell? Is someone else in here?!" She looks right at the crack in the closet door and says "Who's in the damn closet?!" Being the clown that I am and knowing that this was a nose dive we weren't gonna be able to pull out of, I replied "Just us clothes." She started screaming and my wisecrack breaks the dam and the laughs come from everywhere as she scrambles into his bathroom. Surprisingly, afterwards she hung around and was totally cool.

People have all manner of reasons to believe in god.
I just fail to see what makes yours so special....

 

[Triumphant_Loser]

I need to get something off my chest. The real reason I'm here is I am trying to get God back into my life. You see, I'm 22 and needed to make sure I wasn't gay. I figured the best way to do that was suck a di**. I figured that it's only skin and it's just like sucking your thumb. So I met a strikingly attractive man one day while playing disc golf and I told him about my plan. He was a little skeptical but after two beers he warmed up to the idea. So I assume the position and pull down his pants. I'll never forget the first thought "What the fu** is that thing? Is that supposed to be his di**? Well apparently he wasn't circumcised and it looked like an ***** anteater. So I take him into my mouth and I don't want to get into the nasty details but half way through I realized I didn't like it but I'm never a quitter. I finished him off. After that I realized that I'm not gay. I just figured that I should find out because what happens if I was 70 and sucked my first di** but liked it? I would have been missing out on 50 years of blowing people. Now I feel that I need God back in my life like no other time.

Obvious troll... Try harder.

 

[Simurgh]

Now that I got that off my chest I have to tell you guys the worst thing I've probably ever done. It was 11th grade. A friend of ours had banged this skankily hot girl and is telling us that she is a beast in the sack. We're all hanging out at his house and he gets a call from her and she's on her way over for another go. He has the nerve to try to usher us out but we're having none of it. The guy was known for scrogging chicks left and right so it was pretty easy to persuade him into letting all 5 of us hide in different parts of his room while they bash leather. We all did a great job of hiding because she wasn't in the room 2 minutes before she was naked and gobbling his schlong. 1 guy was in the corner behind a curtain, 1 idiot got under the bed, my one friend hahaha... sorry... gets under a huuuge pile of dirty clothes and his face was just kinda of sticking out... like a big dirty clothes jabba the hutt... we were all dying from laughing. Then me and and another friend have front row seats in his closet perfectly comfortable, standing up and looking right at their business on the bed in front of us. Now, in retrospect, this whole thing wasn't thought through properly. 5 immature doufouses (or is it doufi?) trying to go undetected when a girl is talking so dirty that the paint in the room was melting and young children in other towns probably started crying and nobody knew why. But we did. We're all mustering every ounce within us to not bust out laughing. She gets out from under him and repositions herself onto all fours to make some puppies and sticks her *** up and then it happened... She busted a queef that would've calved glaciers. Unreal. It proved too much... the strain was too great... no sooner did the queef stop than 3 of the 5 of us did that laughing sound that's hard to spell. That same sound you make when you're trying to choke down a bong hit. But we were strong enough to resist breaking out into full laughter... hands over mouth style. But, the gig was up... our buddy that was putting in the work kind of chuckled as she says "What the hell? Is someone else in here?!" She looks right at the crack in the closet door and says "Who's in the damn closet?!" Being the clown that I am and knowing that this was a nose dive we weren't gonna be able to pull out of, I replied "Just us clothes." She started screaming and my wisecrack breaks the dam and the laughs come from everywhere as she scrambles into his bathroom. Surprisingly, afterwards she hung around and was totally cool.

Hey, you obviously know how to write interesting little vignettes. So could you do something along the lines of man-gets-caught-in zipper? That would be some funny reading material.

 

[Triumphant_Loser]

Hey, you obviously know how to write interesting little vignettes. So could you do something along the lines of man-gets-caught-in zipper? That would be some funny reading material.

Although they are undoubtedly a troll, I have to admit I giggled at multiple points in this story... Quite an imagination I must say.

 

[Simurgh]

Although they are undoubtedly a troll, I have to admit I giggled at multiple points in this story... Quite an imagination I must say.

Maybe it's time to create a new troll-category. We could just call him fantasy troller. That way we need not chastise him for trolling, after all he does have redeeming qualities.