Why I believe God Created Life.

[Triumphant_Loser]

The same Jesus who says most of humankind will burn in Hell forever; or that one should cut off their hands or take out their eyes in order to avoid sin; or that one should love him more than his family; or that he hasn't come to Earth to bring peace but a sword; or that one should kill children who curse their parents; or that slaves should obey and serve their masters sincerely; that good guy Jesus?

What's wrong with you? Have you actually read the Bible?

Although I am a Deist, not a Christian, and reject the idea that Jesus is a Messiah figure in any way. It seems that Jesus did not teach the hell-fire and brimstone that evangelical Christians would have you believe he did. From what I have read... the times that Jesus did mention hell have mostly been from the annihilationist point of view of hell simply being the grave.

ex: Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell. ~Matthew 10:28


As for the "Slaves, obey your masters" verse... that was not said by Jesus, it was in the book of Colossians, which was attributed to the saints Paul and Timothy. (Although some believe it could have been one of the men who travelled with Paul, such as Saint Onesimus or Tychius.) Either way, It was definitely not said by Jesus of Nazareth. Also, the verse that says that "anyone who curses their father or mother should be put to death" is Leviticus 20:9... which was in the old testament, and was written before Jesus of Nazareth was even born, so that was obviously not him either. I'm not a religious man by any means, but I do know that just because something is mentioned in the Bible, does not mean that Jesus said it.

 

[starless]

Although I am a Deist, not a Christian, and reject the idea that Jesus is a Messiah figure in any way. It seems that Jesus did not teach the hell-fire and brimstone that evangelical Christians would have you believe he did. From what I have read... the times that Jesus did mention hell have mostly been from the annihilationist point of view of hell simply being the grave.

ex: Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell. ~Matthew 10:28

There are quite a few mentions of hell, fire, eternal condemnation and punishment in the New Testament. For example:

Revelation 21:8 “But for the cowardly, unbelieving, sinners, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their part is in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”

John 15:6 “If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned.”

As for the "Slaves, obey your masters" verse... that was not said by Jesus, it was in the book of Colossians, which was attributed to the saints Paul and Timothy. (Although some believe it could have been one of the men who travelled with Paul, such as Saint Onesimus or Tychius.) Either way, It was definitely not said by Jesus of Nazareth.

You are correct about this one. But Jesus clearly says in Luke 12:47-48 “The servant who knows the master’s will and does not get ready or does not do what the master wants will be beaten with many blows. But the one who does not know and does things deserving punishment will be beaten with few blows. From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked.”

Also, the verse that says that "anyone who curses their father or mother should be put to death" is Leviticus 20:9... which was in the old testament, and was written before Jesus of Nazareth was even born, so that was obviously not him either. I'm not a religious man by any means, but I do know that just because something is mentioned in the Bible, does not mean that Jesus said it.

I was referring to Matthew 15:4 “For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.” Jesus seems to follow the instructions of the Old Testament, where it was mentioned in Exodus 21:15, and also in Leviticus and Deuteronomy.

 

[Simurgh]

I understand science fine. Why don't you just prove evolution right here and now smart guy? If you can't maybe you should go back to school. My son tells me there's an extra seat in Ms Krabappel's class. I studied physics under Professor Frink, he taught me that scientific ideas change all the time. You''re an idiot to think otherwise. You probably never noticed with your head up Wook's *** having wet dreams about bay biscuits. Just for the sake of not being Dicks to each other, What is your science background?

WOW, you went to Homer’s Alma Mater. That is truly impressive. It also explains why you act like a cartoon character.



I just went to regular universities to get a couple of degrees—you know, like real people are forced to do when they want to become experts in some things?! Well, maybe you don’t, who cares. In any event, you clearly have no clue what a scientific theory is and what it entails to be an actual scientist and not one of those make-believe intelligent design/creationist quacks.



Until you can provide me with your credentials I and the Wookie just go and have some more of those biscuits.[FONT=&quot][/FONT]

 

[Triumphant_Loser]

I understand science fine. Why don't you just prove evolution right here and now smart guy? If you can't maybe you should go back to school. My son tells me there's an extra seat in Ms Krabappel's class. I studied physics under Professor Frink, he taught me that scientific ideas change all the time. You''re an idiot to think otherwise. You probably never noticed with your head up Wook's *** having wet dreams about bay biscuits. Just for the sake of not being Dicks to each other, What is your science background?

Stay classy America!

 

[Simurgh]

I understand that many Evolutionists feel obliged to attack the intellect and credentials of anyone who dares question the ToE. To me, such tactics expose a certain desperation; the same for dismissing the Bible as "myth". Time and time again, such claims that the Bible is not true history or scientifically correct have been turned back, and the Bible vindicated as true. I think each person should examine the facts for themselves rather than let others decide what they should think or believe. After all, the Bible itself says to "Make sure of all things; hold fast to what is fine." (1 Thessalonians 5:21)

Desperation? What am I supposed to be desperate about? What you are implying is the same thing as me expecting to prove Harry Potter as being a scientific, historical text. Good luck with that too. If you can give me one actual and provable instance where the bible is certifiably showing that its god is real and exists, I shall move over into the religious camp and declare the errors of my way. So far hundreds of biblical scholars—the real kind with degrees and credibility in the field--have not managed to do what you claim. Go for it!

Nice of you to throw some biblical quote in now and again. Makes this all so much more compelling to believe in for sure. You might not have a clue about science, but you sure know that bible for all that’s worth.

Oh, I have examined the facts and they lead me to the conclusion that all religions, yours included are nothing else but created by the desperation of some people to escape oblivion by claiming an afterlife; they serve some people’s need to abrogate all responsibility by claiming that their god will either fix it or forgive them for being amoral and unethical losers; and of course my all-time favorite religion is used to control people (that would be the mass of sheeple) and legitimize behavior and actions that would otherwise not be defensible.

Here is an example of that. St. Louis Archbishop Didn't Know Sex With Children Was a Crime - NBC News
So keep your pants on, you are frothing at the mouth and it’s not a pretty sight…might just toss up those delectable biscuits…

 

[Apostlelypse]

WOW, you went to Homer’s Alma Mater. That is truly impressive. It also explains why you act like a cartoon character.

Now you're catching on..

I just went to regular universities to get a couple of degrees—you know, like real people are forced to do when they want to become experts in some things?! Well, maybe you don’t, who cares. In any event, you clearly have no clue what a scientific theory is and what it entails to be an actual scientist and not one of those make-believe intelligent design/creationist quacks.

Until you can provide me with your credentials I and the Wookie just go and have some more of those biscuits.[/quote]

I really did study physics and engineering though. If you want to get serious we can talk science all day. "Regular Universities is vague. It could mean you took science classes and got straight A's or it could mean that you failed nursing. Let me know what your stance on any topic is and why that is your stance and I'll tell you if you're right or wrong.

As far as having Crab Cakes with Wook is concerned. Do you think he's really be seen at RL with a beta like you? The dude walks into RL wearing a pressed suit and girls on each arm, you can't even afford nice enough clothes to be seen out with him. Maybe he'll sit at your table and leave so you can pay his bill. Better not bring your girl because he's leaving with her too. You'll have plenty of time to theorize at some regular universities then.

 

[Triumphant_Loser]

WOW, you went to Homer’s Alma Mater. That is truly impressive. It also explains why you act like a cartoon character.



I just went to regular universities to get a couple of degrees—you know, like real people are forced to do when they want to become experts in some things?! Well, maybe you don’t, who cares. In any event, you clearly have no clue what a scientific theory is and what it entails to be an actual scientist and not one of those make-believe intelligent design/creationist quacks.



Until you can provide me with your credentials I and the Wookie just go and have some more of those biscuits.[FONT=&quot][/FONT]

I really hope this guy is a Poe's Law troll.

 

[Simurgh]

I really did study physics and engineering though. If you want to get serious we can talk science all day. "Regular Universities is vague. It could mean you took science classes and got straight A's or it could mean that you failed nursing. Let me know what your stance on any topic is and why that is your stance and I'll tell you if you're right or wrong.

As far as having Crab Cakes with Wook is concerned. Do you think he's really be seen at RL with a beta like you? The dude walks into RL wearing a pressed suit and girls on each arm, you can't even afford nice enough clothes to be seen out with him. Maybe he'll sit at your table and leave so you can pay his bill. Better not bring your girl because he's leaving with her too. You'll have plenty of time to theorize at some regular universities then.

You are hilarious. As for your science studies, yeah you probably didn’t take any biology classes right? Otherwise you would have caught on to the fact that I am female by now—one look at my personal info would have shown you that. As for me being a beta, yeah, you dream on.

Wookie and I could have a few laughs about that. Your rant about what he would do and the assumption that I cannot afford the right cloths and all that patronizing crap you spew is just a weak attempt at trying to establish control over a situation that has gone beyond your intellectual ability to comprehend.

It really does not matter which logical fallacy you employ, you still are not an authority on anything, have no credibility in regard to scientific discourse, and does nothing to dispel the impression you give of an intellectual midget.

You seem to have wasted your science classes as you still lack the skill of rational and critical thought. Nice that you let your sexist and patronizing attitude shine through. As you assumed that I am male, you thought to belittle me by calling me a failed nurse, that’s the best insult you can come up with? As for my stance on a given topic and your assumption that you have the intellectual wherewithal to judge me, what kind of Kool-Aid did you drink just now?

You seriously assume that you can tell anyone right from wrong? You, a proponent of creationism and ID? You cannot even understand the premise behind evolution and you want to tell me what again? That is the funniest **** I have heard all day. Nah, make that all week.

 

[Simurgh]

I really hope this guy is a Poe's Law troll.

I think you give the little boy too much credit. He is the poster child of Poe's Law. Sad as that is.

 

[Simurgh]

Well that is the first thing that Apostlelypse said that is correct. I only frequent Red Lobster with the ladytype and usually leave with more. I'm alpha and they're drawn to me. I'm like a guy with a white Cherokee at a Dave Matthews show the women can't resist me. Other than that though, he's still said nothing of context and my head hurts thinking about how our (this part is obvious) public school system can fail someone so badly. I live in BRAHlorado and spend most of my day smoking dabs but never come up with the mindless dribble that spews like fire from Mt. Doom like that joker. I see he still hasn't answered a question. I guess he's not very good at using google to find some stupid ideas to support his own. Hey bossman, let me help you out: Let me google that for you

Dude, even your smoke clouded mind is more alert than little Apo’s clear one. OK, I just caught the error in my thinking. Someone who has his head stuck in the bible does not think. My bad.


Here is the real deal. Like all religious “thinkers” and yes, I use that term in the most charitable way possible here, cannot answer any real, scientific questions because his blind-sight does not allow for intellectual honesty or the use of deep thought. So he diverts attention from his lack of rationality and attacks us—everyone who has a valid point to make.



He likes the Simpsons, does he even realize that they were created by an atheist?[FONT=&quot][/FONT]

 

[Apostlelypse]

You are hilarious. As for your science studies, yeah you probably didn’t take any biology classes right? Otherwise you would have caught on to the fact that I am female by now—one look at my personal info would have shown you that. As for me being a beta, yeah, you dream on.

Wookie and I could have a few laughs about that. Your rant about what he would do and the assumption that I cannot afford the right cloths and all that patronizing crap you spew is just a weak attempt at trying to establish control over a situation that has gone beyond your intellectual ability to comprehend.

It really does not matter which logical fallacy you employ, you still are not an authority on anything, have no credibility in regard to scientific discourse, and does nothing to dispel the impression you give of an intellectual midget.

You seem to have wasted your science classes as you still lack the skill of rational and critical thought. Nice that you let your sexist and patronizing attitude shine through. As you assumed that I am male, you thought to belittle me by calling me a failed nurse, that’s the best insult you can come up with? As for my stance on a given topic and your assumption that you have the intellectual wherewithal to judge me, what kind of Kool-Aid did you drink just now?

You seriously assume that you can tell anyone right from wrong? You, a proponent of creationism and ID? You cannot even understand the premise behind evolution and you want to tell me what again? That is the funniest **** I have heard all day. Nah, make that all week.

I apologize, just like wook, didn't notice you were a girl. I really don't care what sex you are. I just want to hear something relevant out of you. Instead of attacking me, why not ask me to elaborate further and I gladly can, using science, I am not a Bible hugger. That's just another poor assumption from you. Also nobody needs to take biology classes to know if your a man or woman, also irrelevant.
You're calling me sexist because I didn't assume your gender on a message board. That doesn't make any sense either. I really didn't assume anything about your personal life aside from you not being worthy of RL with Wook. Maybe you can hang at Joe's Crab Shack.

You seem to just be blowing hot air, What you've done is turned this discussion into an insult match. Trollish behavior ironically. I'm asking you for information, you're telling me I cant comprehend it. Sounds belittling doesn't it? . Then again..maybe you're just someone that wants to talk biscuits instead of talking to idiots that take this **** serious enough to get worked up over it. Guess I'll go hug my Bible at Long John-Diddily Silvers!

 

[Triumphant_Loser]

I apologize, just like wook, didn't notice you were a girl. I really don't care what sex you are. I just want to hear something relevant out of you. Instead of attacking me, why not ask me to elaborate further and I gladly can, using science, I am not a Bible hugger. That's just another poor assumption from you. Also nobody needs to take biology classes to know if your a man or woman, also irrelevant.
You're calling me sexist because I didn't assume your gender on a message board.

It literally has her gender symbol in the top right hand corner. You weren't assuming anything... You just were not paying attention very well.

 

[Apostlelypse]

You're right I wasn't assuming anything. Her gender is still not relevant to anything. I still don't care about that. Thank you come again.

 

[Apostlelypse]

Brah you ever hear of the Disco Biscuits because you remind me of their musical fans.

Yes I have seen them before actually.

 

[viole]

Can't argue with that. Not enough people opposed slavery until a few hundred years ago. We hold Jesus to higher standards than Red Lobster Cheddar Bay Biscuits, but where do you draw the line?

Well, not many people walk on water either. And He could have accelerated the process by saying a few words: not only prawns are an abomination to God: owning a human being is an abomination too.

I don't care what people think, I care what the alleged son of God thinks, the giver of moral guidance. After all, I expect He incarnated to do something more useful than cursing fig trees or walking on water.

So, why didn't He curse slavery, in your opinion?

Ciao

- viole

 

[Apostlelypse]

Haha it's actually funny I am a fan of BTBAM Opeth and Phish, I've been learning Divided sky on guitar and I've seen BTBAM 5 times. You're right about the Disco Biscuits, They just wank off around the G-Major scale for hours, sometimes going into E-minor(which is the same f***** thing anyway) My friends listen to them, but they're not on par with cheddar bay by any regards. Just because I feel bad for dissing you, He's the recipe for Red Lobsters CBB's so you can enjoy them anytime.

Ingredients:

2 ½ cups Bisquick baking mix

¾ cup cold whole milk

4 tablespoons cold butter (1/2 stick)

¼ teaspoon garlic powder

1 heaping cup grated cheddar cheese

Bush on Top:

2 tablespoons butter, melted

¼ teaspoon dried parsley flakes

½ teaspoon garlic powder

pinch salt

Directions:

1. Preheat your oven to 400 degrees.

2. Combine Bisquick with cold butter in a medium bowl using a pastry cutter or a large fork. You don't want to mix too thoroughly. There should be small chunks of butter in there that are about the size of peas. Add cheddar cheese, milk, and ¼ teaspoon garlic. Mix by hand until combined, but don't over mix.

3. Drop approximately ¼-cup portions of the dough onto an ungreased cookie sheet using an ice cream scoop.

4. Bake for 15 to 17 minutes or until the tops of the biscuits begin to turn light brown.

5. When you take the biscuits out of the oven, melt 2 tablespoons butter is a small bowl in your microwave. Stir in ½ teaspoon garlic powder and the dried parsley flakes. Use a brush to spread this garlic butter over the tops of all the biscuits. Use up all of the butter. Makes one dozen biscuits.

 

[Apostlelypse]

Well, not many people walk on water either. And He could have accelerated the process by saying a few words: not only prawns are an abomination to God: owning a human being is an abomination too.

I don't care what people think, I care what the alleged son of God thinks, the giver of moral guidance. After all, I expect He incarnated to do something more useful than cursing fig trees or walking on water.

So, why didn't He curse slavery, in your opinion?

Ciao

- viole

What Wook said could be accurate, It could have been a lesson God wanted us to make on his own. It also could have made him a pariah, similar to a good cop working in a dept of corrupt cops, if he turns one in he loses the trust other officers have in him. Also look at the drastic things that happened when Abe Lincoln wanted to abolish slavery. Jesus would have made many enemies.

 

[viole]

What Wook said could be accurate, It could have been a lesson God wanted us to make on his own. It also could have made him a pariah, similar to a good cop working in a dept of corrupt cops, if he turns one in he loses the trust other officers have in him. Also look at the drastic things that happened when Abe Lincoln wanted to abolish slavery. Jesus would have made many enemies.

LOL. I don't think that He got crucified because He had too many friends. However, He knew He was going to die, so what did He have to lose, exactly?

The son of God is afraid of making enemies for stating an objective moral truth?

I did not know that God compromises morality for political reasons and save His hide. Is that really so?

And if that were the case, how can you trust anything you read in the Bible as a moral guide? It could be that everything you read there is just to save ones divine, ...., hide.

Ciao

- viole

 

[Apostlelypse]

LOL. I don't think that He got crucified because He had too many friends. He knew He was going to die, so what did He have to lose?

The son of God is afraid of making enemies for stating an objective moral truth?

I did not know that God compromises morality for political reasons and save His hide. Is that really so?

And if that were the case, How can you trust anything you read in the Bible as a moral guide? It could be that everything you read there is just to save ones divine, ...., hide.

Ciao

- viole

Sorry if I contradict anything I said earlier I'm trying to be more serious now! To me the Bible is a book written by man. It will not be accurate, it will have good things you can take from it as well as things that society needs to move on from. As of now there's no proof God exists, so because of that I'll hold Jesus to normal standards just like you, me, and maybe (but probably not) The Beatles(but I prefer Floyd). I could be wrong though, **** happens.

 

[viole]

Sorry if I contradict anything I said earlier I'm trying to be more serious now! To me the Bible is a book written by man. It will not be accurate, it will have good things you can take from it as well as things that society needs to move on from. As of now there's no proof God exists, so because of that I'll hold Jesus to normal standards just like you, me, and maybe (but probably not) The Beatles(but I prefer Floyd). I could be wrong though, **** happens.

You could be wrong for preferring PF to the Beatles?

You are a prog-head, so it seems. Therefore, you cannot be possibly wrong, at least about music.

Ciao

- viole