Why I believe God Created Life.

[rusra02]

What caused God?

I believe our Creator had no cause. Jehovah is unique, because he is "The Source of Life."(Psalm 36:9) The Bible says that "From everlasting to everlasting, you are God." (Psalm 90:4) Thus God never had a beginning. All other persons and things do.

 

[Sunstone]

Evolution claims life arose from a series of chance events.

I quit reading right here. There's simply no excuse for anyone -- who is not a drooling cretin -- to not know how evolution operates, and it does not operate solely by chance. Get back to us when you get an education.

 

[rusra02]

I've attempted to explain this to several different people that have the same view as yourself and to no avail yet. But please try to keep an open mind without being defensive or feeling as if the explination is attacking your world view. That said...


With the vastness of our universe it is entirely possible (rather plausible even) that there would be small pockets with our conditions. Its very very very very very very very very rare. However that doesn't make it impossible. We stand now after all has been said and done and look back at the tremendous odds in which we have come to be. However nothing in the statistics of it. Someone winning the lotto is very rare. But it happens and there is nothing to suggest god made it happen or that it would be impossible without god to win the lotto.

We obviously would exist to contemplate such things if life didn't arise here.

In response, consider this quote from "Lasting Peace and Happiness—How to Find Them":
'The basic unit of living things is the cell, and the basic material that makes up a cell is protein. Evolutionists acknowledge that the probability of the right atoms and molecules falling into place to form just one simple protein molecule is about 1 in 10 to the 113th power, or 1 followed by 113 zeros. In other words, it could take that many chances for the event to occur once. But any event that has one chance in 10 to the 50th power is dismissed by mathematicians as never happening.

However, far more than one simple protein molecule is needed for life to occur. For a cell to maintain its functions, some 2,000 different proteins are needed. What, then, is the probability of all of these happening at random? It is estimated that it is 1 in 10 to the 40,000th power, or 1 followed by 40,000 zeros! Are you willing to rest your faith on such an outrageously remote probability?'

This can be illustrated as follows: Take one grain of sand, and place it in a sandbox as large as our universe with its billions of galaxies ( no peeking, just toss it in and let it swirl around.) Find that grain of sand. I believe it is IMPOSSIBLE for life to have arisen by chance.

The fact we exist is, IMO, proof that an intelligent Being far greater than any man devised life, not some mathematically impossible chance occurrence.

 

[McBell]

In response, consider this quote from "Lasting Peace and Happiness—How to Find Them":
'The basic unit of living things is the cell, and the basic material that makes up a cell is protein. Evolutionists acknowledge that the probability of the right atoms and molecules falling into place to form just one simple protein molecule is about 1 in 10 to the 113th power, or 1 followed by 113 zeros. In other words, it could take that many chances for the event to occur once. But any event that has one chance in 10 to the 50th power is dismissed by mathematicians as never happening.

However, far more than one simple protein molecule is needed for life to occur. For a cell to maintain its functions, some 2,000 different proteins are needed. What, then, is the probability of all of these happening at random? It is estimated that it is 1 in 10 to the 40,000th power, or 1 followed by 40,000 zeros! Are you willing to rest your faith on such an outrageously remote probability?'

This can be illustrated as follows: Take one grain of sand, and place it in a sandbox as large as our universe with its billions of galaxies ( no peeking, just toss it in and let it swirl around.) Find that grain of sand. I believe it is IMPOSSIBLE for life to have arisen by chance.

The fact we exist is, IMO, proof that an intelligent Being far greater than any man devised life, not some mathematically impossible chance occurrence.

Good thing science is not based upon what you do and do not "believe".

I notice you never present the calculations for the odds of God existing, let alone for god creating everything.
Why is that?

 

[rusra02]

I'm starting to believe we were an experiment that failed.When He created us the world was not the way it is now,His intentions were good,He wanted us to enjoy the life He offered to us.But if you think about it,it's us,humans that destroy everything good in this world and make life unbearable.Also,you don't know what happens when you die,do you?Who says death is the end?Not believing in any God would make my point of view very narrow,at least for me,and I refuse to see things this way.To me death is a transition and life is the time we get to spend and enjoy on this earth.At least that's what it was meant to be.So that's what I do,I try to enjoy every day and see life as a gift instead of a curse.And I'm happy about it.

I agree with much of your post. The Bible tells us God made man to live forever in beautiful and peaceful surroundings, but man rebelled against God. Happily, I believe, God will soon undo the harm wicked and ignorant people have caused, and restore the earth to the condition God purposed when he created the earth.

 

[rusra02]

Good thing science is not based upon what you do and do not "believe".

I notice you never present the calculations for the odds of God existing, let alone for god creating everything.
Why is that?

Odds aren't necessary, anymore than odds that someone intelligent built the White House in Washington D.C. Or the Kremlin in Moscow. The edifices themselves are proof positive of an Intelligent Designer. The Bible explains it this way: "Of course, every house is constructed by someone, but the one who constructed all things is God." (Hebrews 3:4)

 

[McBell]

Odds aren't necessary, anymore than odds that someone intelligent built the White House in Washington D.C. Or the Kremlin in Moscow. The edifices themselves are proof positive of an Intelligent Designer. The Bible explains it this way: "Of course, every house is constructed by someone, but the one who constructed all things is God." (Hebrews 3:4)

Nothing but wishful thinking on your part.
But you already know that.

 

[Parsimony]

In response, consider this quote from "Lasting Peace and Happiness—How to Find Them":
'The basic unit of living things is the cell, and the basic material that makes up a cell is protein. Evolutionists acknowledge that the probability of the right atoms and molecules falling into place to form just one simple protein molecule is about 1 in 10 to the 113th power, or 1 followed by 113 zeros. In other words, it could take that many chances for the event to occur once. But any event that has one chance in 10 to the 50th power is dismissed by mathematicians as never happening.

However, far more than one simple protein molecule is needed for life to occur. For a cell to maintain its functions, some 2,000 different proteins are needed. What, then, is the probability of all of these happening at random? It is estimated that it is 1 in 10 to the 40,000th power, or 1 followed by 40,000 zeros! Are you willing to rest your faith on such an outrageously remote probability?'

This can be illustrated as follows: Take one grain of sand, and place it in a sandbox as large as our universe with its billions of galaxies ( no peeking, just toss it in and let it swirl around.) Find that grain of sand. I believe it is IMPOSSIBLE for life to have arisen by chance.

The fact we exist is, IMO, proof that an intelligent Being far greater than any man devised life, not some mathematically impossible chance occurrence.

Let me see if I understand this correctly. You think that abiogenesis proposes that many fully-formed proteins popped into existence spontaneously at once to form cells from prebiotic chemicals. Is this what you are arguing? If this is not what you are saying, please clarify.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

In response, consider this quote from "Lasting Peace and Happiness—How to Find Them":
'The basic unit of living things is the cell, and the basic material that makes up a cell is protein. Evolutionists acknowledge that the probability of the right atoms and molecules falling into place to form just one simple protein molecule is about 1 in 10 to the 113th power, or 1 followed by 113 zeros. In other words, it could take that many chances for the event to occur once. But any event that has one chance in 10 to the 50th power is dismissed by mathematicians as never happening.

However, far more than one simple protein molecule is needed for life to occur. For a cell to maintain its functions, some 2,000 different proteins are needed. What, then, is the probability of all of these happening at random? It is estimated that it is 1 in 10 to the 40,000th power, or 1 followed by 40,000 zeros! Are you willing to rest your faith on such an outrageously remote probability?'

This can be illustrated as follows: Take one grain of sand, and place it in a sandbox as large as our universe with its billions of galaxies ( no peeking, just toss it in and let it swirl around.) Find that grain of sand. I believe it is IMPOSSIBLE for life to have arisen by chance.

The fact we exist is, IMO, proof that an intelligent Being far greater than any man devised life, not some mathematically impossible chance occurrence.

You know what? In a universe where scientists said that atoms randomly fell into a perfect protein by accident and started replicating itself, then I will agree with you.

However till then I shall continue to believe science. Can you explain to me in detail how abiogensis has been explained? According to scientists that is. Because the above is incorrect. If you put that answer on a science test a teacher would mark it incorrect.

 

[nazz]

There should be evidence, then, that so-called natural selection produced all the various families of plants and animals. What proof do you have that "natural selection produces new creatures?"

Why do keep asking for evidence when you just ignore it?

 

[Runewolf1973]

There should be evidence, then, that so-called natural selection produced all the various families of plants and animals. What proof do you have that "natural selection produces new creatures?"

Are you serious??? Are you that blinded by your faith that you cannot see what is right in front of you?

 

[shawn001]

Rusra, you really have ignored billions of facts, its really astounding.

Scientific American

The Origin of Oxygen in Earth's Atmosphere

The breathable air we enjoy today originated from tiny organisms, although the details remain lost in geologic time

"So how did Earth end up with an atmosphere made up of roughly 21 percent of the stuff?

The answer is tiny organisms known as cyanobacteria, or blue-green algae. These microbes conduct photosynthesis: using sunshine, water and carbon dioxide to produce carbohydrates and, yes, oxygen. In fact, all the plants on Earth incorporate symbiotic cyanobacteria (known as chloroplasts) to do their photosynthesis for them down to this day.

For some untold eons prior to the evolution of these cyanobacteria, during the Archean eon, more primitive microbes lived the real old-fashioned way: anaerobically. These ancient organisms—and their "extremophile" descendants today—thrived in the absence of oxygen, relying on sulfate for their energy needs.

The Origin of Oxygen in Earth Atmosphere: Scientific American

Introduction to the Cyanobacteria


Architects of earth's atmosphere

Cyanobacteria are aquatic and photosynthetic, that is, they live in the water, and can manufacture their own food. Because they are bacteria, they are quite small and usually unicellular, though they often grow in colonies large enough to see. They have the distinction of being the oldest known fossils, more than 3.5 billion years old, in fact! It may surprise you then to know that the cyanobacteria are still around; they are one of the largest and most important groups of bacteria on earth.

Introduction to the Cyanobacteria


Early 'see-sawing' Earth experienced hazy shades of life

" Earth's early atmosphere fluctuated between 'organic haze' and a 'haze-free' environment similar to that of Saturn's moon, Titan, a new study has revealed.
And this switch over 2.5 billion years ago was the result of intense microbial activity and would have had a profound effect on the climate of the Earth system.
Research, led by experts at Newcastle University, UK, revealed that the Earth's early atmosphere periodically flipped from a hydrocarbon-free state into a hydrocarbon-rich state."

Early 'see-sawing' Earth experienced hazy shades of life - Yahoo! News India

Fossil raindrops reveal early atmosphere

Fossil raindrops reveal early atmosphere › News in Science (ABC Science)

Can you breath Methane, or primarily natural gas?

Your breathing Oxygen right now because the bacteria called cynobacteria evolved photosynthesis and changed the earth atmophere. Our atmophere today is a direct result of evolution. Look it up.

 

[shawn001]

Rusra, perhaps a god did create life, but if one did it used evolution as the process.

God would have also smashed the Early earth with a small planet to create our moon as well at the formation of our solar system. That also had and has an impact on life evolving on this planet.


Moon's age revealed, and a lunar mystery may be solved

Moon's Age Revealed, and a Lunar Mystery May Be Solved | Space.com

 

[rusra02]

Let me see if I understand this correctly. You think that abiogenesis proposes that many fully-formed proteins popped into existence spontaneously at once to form cells from prebiotic chemicals. Is this what you are arguing? If this is not what you are saying, please clarify.

Please reread the quote. What it says is quite clear, I think.

 

[rusra02]

Rusra, you really have ignored billions of facts, its really astounding.

Scientific American

The Origin of Oxygen in Earth's Atmosphere

The breathable air we enjoy today originated from tiny organisms, although the details remain lost in geologic time

"So how did Earth end up with an atmosphere made up of roughly 21 percent of the stuff?

The answer is tiny organisms known as cyanobacteria, or blue-green algae. These microbes conduct photosynthesis: using sunshine, water and carbon dioxide to produce carbohydrates and, yes, oxygen. In fact, all the plants on Earth incorporate symbiotic cyanobacteria (known as chloroplasts) to do their photosynthesis for them down to this day.

For some untold eons prior to the evolution of these cyanobacteria, during the Archean eon, more primitive microbes lived the real old-fashioned way: anaerobically. These ancient organisms—and their "extremophile" descendants today—thrived in the absence of oxygen, relying on sulfate for their energy needs.

The Origin of Oxygen in Earth Atmosphere: Scientific American

Introduction to the Cyanobacteria


Architects of earth's atmosphere

Cyanobacteria are aquatic and photosynthetic, that is, they live in the water, and can manufacture their own food. Because they are bacteria, they are quite small and usually unicellular, though they often grow in colonies large enough to see. They have the distinction of being the oldest known fossils, more than 3.5 billion years old, in fact! It may surprise you then to know that the cyanobacteria are still around; they are one of the largest and most important groups of bacteria on earth.

Introduction to the Cyanobacteria


Early 'see-sawing' Earth experienced hazy shades of life

" Earth's early atmosphere fluctuated between 'organic haze' and a 'haze-free' environment similar to that of Saturn's moon, Titan, a new study has revealed.
And this switch over 2.5 billion years ago was the result of intense microbial activity and would have had a profound effect on the climate of the Earth system.
Research, led by experts at Newcastle University, UK, revealed that the Earth's early atmosphere periodically flipped from a hydrocarbon-free state into a hydrocarbon-rich state."

Early 'see-sawing' Earth experienced hazy shades of life - Yahoo! News India

Fossil raindrops reveal early atmosphere

Fossil raindrops reveal early atmosphere › News in Science (ABC Science)

Can you breath Methane, or primarily natural gas?

Your breathing Oxygen right now because the bacteria called cynobacteria evolved photosynthesis and changed the earth atmophere. Our atmophere today is a direct result of evolution. Look it up.

"The breathable air we enjoy today originated from tiny organisms, although the details remain lost in geologic time" Really? And yet you blithely attribute these organisms to evolution. BTW, can you explain how they know when the gas combinations for supporting life are just right? Too much oxygen and fires would burn uncontrollably. Too little, and life would be impossible. “If the Earth’s ecosystem had truly evolved by chance alone, it wouldn’t possibly have been able to reach such a perfect level of environmental harmony,” says religion and science writer M. A. Corey. Instead, earth's natural cycles replenish the oxygen supply and provide clean filtered water to virtually every part of the earth. And much, much more.

 

[rusra02]

More reasons I believe God created life.
A symphony is played by a group of skilled musicians with finely-tuned instruments. No such symphony can match the finely tuned forces that make life possible. Consider this quote from g12/09: "The book Science Christianity—Four Views has an interesting way of illustrating the delicacy of the balance of forces and elements in the cosmos. The writer asked his readers to visualize an explorer’s visit to an imaginary “control room for the whole universe.” There, the explorer observes rows and rows of dials that can be set to any value, and he learns that each has to be calibrated to a precise setting in order for life to be possible. One dial sets the strength of the force of gravity, one the strength of electromagnetic attraction, another the ratio between the mass of the neutron and the proton, and so on. As the explorer examines these numerous dials, he sees that they could have been set to different values. It also becomes clear to him, after meticulous calculation, that even a small change in any one of the dial settings would modify the architecture of the cosmos in such a way that life in it would cease to exist. Yet, each dial is set to precisely the right value needed to keep the universe running and habitable. What should the visitor deduce about how the dials came to be set the way they are?

Astronomer George Greenstein states: “As we survey all the evidence, the thought insistently arises that some supernatural agency—or, rather, Agency—must be involved. Is it possible that suddenly, without intending to, we have stumbled upon scientific proof of the existence of a Supreme Being?”
I think yes, we have.

 

[FranklinMichaelV.3]

More reasons I believe God created life.
A symphony is played by a group of skilled musicians with finely-tuned instruments. No such symphony can match the finely tuned forces that make life possible. Consider this quote from g12/09: "The book Science Christianity—Four Views has an interesting way of illustrating the delicacy of the balance of forces and elements in the cosmos. The writer asked his readers to visualize an explorer’s visit to an imaginary “control room for the whole universe.” There, the explorer observes rows and rows of dials that can be set to any value, and he learns that each has to be calibrated to a precise setting in order for life to be possible. One dial sets the strength of the force of gravity, one the strength of electromagnetic attraction, another the ratio between the mass of the neutron and the proton, and so on. As the explorer examines these numerous dials, he sees that they could have been set to different values. It also becomes clear to him, after meticulous calculation, that even a small change in any one of the dial settings would modify the architecture of the cosmos in such a way that life in it would cease to exist. Yet, each dial is set to precisely the right value needed to keep the universe running and habitable. What should the visitor deduce about how the dials came to be set the way they are?

Astronomer George Greenstein states: “As we survey all the evidence, the thought insistently arises that some supernatural agency—or, rather, Agency—must be involved. Is it possible that suddenly, without intending to, we have stumbled upon scientific proof of the existence of a Supreme Being?”
I think yes, we have.

Except life only exists here...and there is no way to actually calculate that some form of life different from life now wouldn't exist in those changes.

And these arguments don't even mean The Abrahamic God exists...or even a supreme being, just a bein powerful enough to bring the universe into existence, it doesn't make it the only being either...it really doesn't help you Rursa....

 

[FranklinMichaelV.3]

"The breathable air we enjoy today originated from tiny organisms, although the details remain lost in geologic time" Really? And yet you blithely attribute these organisms to evolution. BTW, can you explain how they know when the gas combinations for supporting life are just right? Too much oxygen and fires would burn uncontrollably. Too little, and life would be impossible. “If the Earth’s ecosystem had truly evolved by chance alone, it wouldn’t possibly have been able to reach such a perfect level of environmental harmony,” says religion and science writer M. A. Corey. Instead, earth's natural cycles replenish the oxygen supply and provide clean filtered water to virtually every part of the earth. And much, much more.

There is no environmental harmony...the oxygen supply of the earth has fluctuated as has the supply of other elements...and clean filtered water??

 

[Farrukh]

By chance, millions of years ago, there happened a big blast, after which billions of galaxies, stars and planets came into existence. And then somehow water appeared on one of the planets, but soil started floating over water, then by chance mountain came into existence and soil became static. Then by chance ozone layer came into existence and blocked dangerous UV rays coming from Sun. And somehow our solar system survived for millions of years.
One day a male tree came into existence, and then by chance a female tree came into existence. And then by chance millions of trees and plants with fruits came into existence. Then by chance animals and insects came into existence.
Then one day, a man came into existence, he was feeling lonely, then by chance a woman came into existence. Thanks to Atheism, both man and woman came into existence at same time and both found each other. By chance both of them knew same language.
Awful!

 

[Ouroboros]

By chance, millions of years ago, there happened a big blast, after which billions of galaxies, stars and planets came into existence. And then somehow water appeared on one of the planets, but soil started floating over water, then by chance mountain came into existence and soil became static. Then by chance ozone layer came into existence and blocked dangerous UV rays coming from Sun. And somehow our solar system survived for millions of years.
One day a male tree came into existence, and then by chance a female tree came into existence. And then by chance millions of trees and plants with fruits came into existence. Then by chance animals and insects came into existence.
Then one day, a man came into existence, he was feeling lonely, then by chance a woman came into existence. Thanks to Atheism, both man and woman came into existence at same time and both found each other. By chance both of them knew same language.
Awful!

And completely misconstrued.

What you did there is called a straw man fallacy.