Then it shouldn't have been made in a debate forum.
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Why I believe God is good
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PureX
Veteran Member
Then move it. Or set the site up better so people can more easily tell what category they are posting in. The way I use this site I never know what category I'm posting in. Nor do I care.
That's not how moderation works. I don't get to make unilateral decisions based on a request by a member who doesn't like how a thread is playing out.
You added this while I was responding.
This site is no less easy to navigate than any other site. If you choose to use the site in a fashion that leaves you ignorant to what sub-forum you're posting in that's not my concern. Nor is the potential moderation that may come as a result of your apathy.
Sgt. Pepper
All you need is love.
This is true in my life as a former Christian. It was definitely empowering for me when I finally acknowledged that believing in God didn't bring me peace in my life and that I don't need to believe in him in order to be a good person, to make moral decisions, or to take care of myself and my family. I don't want to interrupt the thread with an off-topic discussion, so I'll post a link to another thread where I further explain my story. You may read about it here.
"The Argument from Consequences (also, Outcome Bias): The major fallacy of logos, arguing that something cannot be true because if it were the consequences or outcome would be unacceptable. (E.g., "Global climate change cannot be caused by human burning of fossil fuels, because if it were, switching to non-polluting energy sources would bankrupt American industry," or "Doctor, that's wrong! I can't have terminal cancer, because if I did that'd mean that I won't live to see my kids get married!") Not to be confused with Actions have Consequences."
For anybody that can say and mean it. Anytime one can do something for himself rather than depend on another to do it for him, he becomes empowered. One doesn't need to be an atheist to say what Koldo said, but atheism and being comfortable without a god belief or a religion is also empowering in the same way.
You probably consider comments like these meanspirited given that, "No good comes from destroying the spiritual path of another" appears under your name. If so, I disagree. Remember, the OP has entered a public forum with a mixed audience to express her religious beliefs. She should expect to encounter contradictory opinions. And if reading such words has an ill effect on her, then she serves as a fine example of why it is preferred to be independent of such beliefs.
Exactly. How hard is that to hear?
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So not for everyone, then.
Nope. Just not accurate for everyone, specifically one that creates a post speaking of qualities of their personal god.
In a debate forum, yes, and I’ve already made this point ITT.
It depends on who you ask. Clearly quite difficult from either side as is evidenced on this forum.
Depends on who you ask
Koldo
Outstanding Member
But the central point here is not belief in God. One can both believe in God and find strength within oneself.
For anyone that considers themselves weak without some external force, like gods.
Not very. Why?
Just like the theists that tell me that I need to think like them. Or atheists that say I'm deranged and hallucinating.
I ignore it.
Never really met anyone that acted like that, outside of caricature.
Koldo
Outstanding Member
Did you read the OP?
Koldo
Outstanding Member
How can it not be empowering to say you don't need anything external to feel strong?
Because I did that for 22 years before I leaned on the Gods for support. I can do either or, but I get more accomplished done in the manner I do now?
Hence why I said it depends on who is asked.
Yup. Sounds like a caricature.
Alien826
No religious beliefs
I just picked this to express what I've been thinking throughout the thread.
It's like seeing lot of people walking around on crutches. You once did the same and and one day came to the realization that you didn't need the crutches and threw them away. You found that you never needed the crutches and feel a lot better without them. So far so good, but ....
You then tell all the other people to throw away their crutches too. Of those that do so, some share your experience and others just fall over. Maybe they genuinely needed the crutches and maybe their legs have just got weak from relying on them. Regardless, they are lying on the ground.
Koldo
Outstanding Member
What did you try before leaning on gods?
Alien826
No religious beliefs
This is a very good point.
Imagine a being so far advanced from us that it can do god-like things. It makes a universe for purposes of its own that would probably be beyond our ability to understand even it it tried to explain them. As a side effect, life developed in this universe, and one day it notices that. What is its response? If the doings of these living beings didn't interfere with its main purposes, it would probably shrug its equivalent of shoulders and ignore us.