Why I CANNOT Believe in The Resurrection

[Subduction Zone]

Yes and that information is contained within the bible my friend.

No, it isn't.

Where in the Bible does it tell you that the victims of Roman crucifixions are almost always left up on the cross?

You are trying to revert to emotional arguments instead of rational ones. And I understand why.

 

[John1.12]

No, it isn't.

Where in the Bible does it tell you that the victims of Roman crucifixions are almost always left up on the cross?

You are trying to revert to emotional arguments instead of rational ones. And I understand why.

There's some useful corroborate information found in history , yes . But we see crucifixion taking place in the bible. Its a historical account , yes.

 

[Subduction Zone]

There's some useful corroborate information found in history , yes . But we see crucifixion taking place in the bible. Its a historical account , yes.

You did not answer my question. Where does it say in the Bible that victims of crucifixion were usually left to rot there?

EDIT: And the Bible is not thought to be a "historical account". Scholars see it as a mythical one.

 

[ElishaElijah]

You sound like those who said Jesus had a devil because he challenged their ideas. At least there is precedent for you to defend yourself with here.

So a person rejects Jesus, the Scriptures, the resurrection is viewing pornography can’t discern spiritual truth and you’re saying I sound like the Pharisee challenging that idea. Probably go rethink that one.

 

[Subduction Zone]

So a person rejects Jesus, the Scriptures, the resurrection is viewing pornography can’t discern spiritual truth and you’re saying I sound like the Pharisee challenging that idea. Probably go rethink that one.

It is too bad that you are blind to your own sinful nature.

 

[Trailblazer]

By the bible standards the Quran is false.

By some Muslim standards the Bible has been corrupted, but Baha'u'llah addressed the Muslims and corrected their false misconceptions, referring to the Bible as God's holy Book, His most great testimony amongst His creatures:

“We have also heard a number of the foolish of the earth assert that the genuine text of the heavenly Gospel doth not exist amongst the Christians, that it hath ascended unto heaven. How grievously they have erred! How oblivious of the fact that such a statement imputeth the gravest injustice and tyranny to a gracious and loving Providence! “How could God, when once the Day-star of the beauty of Jesus had disappeared from the sight of His people, and ascended unto the fourth heaven, cause His holy Book, His most great testimony amongst His creatures, to disappear also?” The Kitáb-i-Íqán, p. 89

“Our purpose in relating these things is to warn you that were they to maintain that those verses wherein the signs referred to in the Gospel are mentioned have been perverted, were they to reject them, and cling instead to other verses and traditions, you should know that their words were utter falsehood and sheer calumny.” The Kitáb-i-Íqán, p. 88

 

[ElishaElijah]

It is too bad that you are blind to your own sinful nature.

If I was blind like you falsely say then I wouldn’t have needed salvation.
“And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others. But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭2:1-5‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

 

[sojourner]

Everything

I don’t think so. the Jews certainly didn’t think so; that’s why they developed Talmud.

 

[John1.12]

You did not answer my question. Where does it say in the Bible that victims of crucifixion were usually left to rot there?

EDIT: And the Bible is not thought to be a "historical account". Scholars see it as a mythical one.

Scholars , scholars, scholars, appeals to authority, seems to be a fixation here . Do you pick the scholars that support what you believe? The ones with the best suits ? the ones with a bow tie ? Do you consult these scholars to help you decide which breakfast cearel to eat ?

 

[John1.12]

By some Muslim standards the Bible has been corrupted, but Baha'u'llah addressed the Muslims and corrected their false misconceptions, referring to the Bible as God's holy Book, His most great testimony amongst His creatures:

“We have also heard a number of the foolish of the earth assert that the genuine text of the heavenly Gospel doth not exist amongst the Christians, that it hath ascended unto heaven. How grievously they have erred! How oblivious of the fact that such a statement imputeth the gravest injustice and tyranny to a gracious and loving Providence! “How could God, when once the Day-star of the beauty of Jesus had disappeared from the sight of His people, and ascended unto the fourth heaven, cause His holy Book, His most great testimony amongst His creatures, to disappear also?” The Kitáb-i-Íqán, p. 89

“Our purpose in relating these things is to warn you that were they to maintain that those verses wherein the signs referred to in the Gospel are mentioned have been perverted, were they to reject them, and cling instead to other verses and traditions, you should know that their words were utter falsehood and sheer calumny.” The Kitáb-i-Íqán, p. 88

Yes the Quran, Mormonism , Jehovah’s witnesses, Atheists, ect all claim the bible has been corrupted to one degree or another. Yet those that actually read it and believe it see no corruption.

 

[sojourner]

So all you can say is that you believe in an interpretation that isn't typical or popular. So explain why your interpretation is more valid than the rest of Christianity

I never claimed that it was typical or popular. You seem to be the one trying to push things into a preconceived box. That may be convenient for you, but I’m not buying into that box. I never said my construct was “more valid than the rest of Xy.” And I’m not sure what you mean by “the rest of Xy.” My voice is the same as many other Christians; it ain’t just me. You’re trying to gaslight me into thinking that what I believe isn’t Xy. it won’t work.

You're not explaining how God could impregagntae Mary and not know Jesus was going to be a sacrifice to God itself

I didn’t say that Jesus was going to be a “sacrifice to God.” You said that; I refuted it, if you remember. I don’t believe Jesus was sacrificed to God.

Do you have no explanation how this makes any sense at all?

You never asked for an explanation of the Trinity. If you want to know “how it works,” research the doctrine for yourself. I’ve already done that work.

You seem to have no answers for why your believe all this.

Why should I answer to you? You’re no authority — and you’re not within my judicatory.

Maybe you haven't thought it through and your beliefs are ,mistaken

Looks like you’re trying to gaslight me again. I’m quite comfortable with the position of spiritual authority I hold within my mainstream, Protestant denomination.

So no salvation for mankind like the Bible says?

I didn’t say that. You said that.

The whole idea of salvation is because Jesus was a sacrifice to God

In one particular construct, perhaps. But Substitutionary Atonement is neither the only, nor the best (IMO) salvation theology.

Your lack of a coherent explanation to the whole Jesus myth is terrible. You seem to have a lot of conflicting beliefs, and many that are contrary to basic beliefs in Christianity

What do you think are the “basic beliefs” of Christianity?

Well that's the advantage of being a theist, you can make God into whatever image you want

Certainly. No one has seen or cognitively knows God. That’s all theology is: constructions for grasping the God-concept. There is no “factually correct” concept.

So you've decided God is matter. Why have you done this? What is supernatural about the material of nature

Did I say “matter?” Again with putting words in my mouth. Can you not debate without throwing up straw men all over the place just to see if one sticks?

What purpose was this sacrifice? How was it useful? Why did it have to happen?

1) It had no purpose.
2) It is useful in that it illustrates that Jesus loved humanity enough to go to the mat for us.
3) It didn’t have to happen.

 

[John1.12]

You did not answer my question. Where does it say in the Bible that victims of crucifixion were usually left to rot there?

EDIT: And the Bible is not thought to be a "historical account". Scholars see it as a mythical one.

Each time you say " scholars ' im slightly embarrassed for you . You give over your sense making to others so readily .

 

[sojourner]

Scholars , scholars, scholars, appeals to authority, seems to be a fixation here . Do you pick the scholars that support what you believe? The ones with the best suits ? the ones with a bow tie ? Do you consult these scholars to help you decide which breakfast cearel to eat ?

We select the ones that are peer-reviewed and have recognized standing in their profession, and carry the authority of their research.

 

[John1.12]

By some Muslim standards the Bible has been corrupted, but Baha'u'llah addressed the Muslims and corrected their false misconceptions, referring to the Bible as God's holy Book, His most great testimony amongst His creatures:

“We have also heard a number of the foolish of the earth assert that the genuine text of the heavenly Gospel doth not exist amongst the Christians, that it hath ascended unto heaven. How grievously they have erred! How oblivious of the fact that such a statement imputeth the gravest injustice and tyranny to a gracious and loving Providence! “How could God, when once the Day-star of the beauty of Jesus had disappeared from the sight of His people, and ascended unto the fourth heaven, cause His holy Book, His most great testimony amongst His creatures, to disappear also?” The Kitáb-i-Íqán, p. 89

“Our purpose in relating these things is to warn you that were they to maintain that those verses wherein the signs referred to in the Gospel are mentioned have been perverted, were they to reject them, and cling instead to other verses and traditions, you should know that their words were utter falsehood and sheer calumny.” The Kitáb-i-Íqán, p. 88

I Just believe the bible.

 

[sojourner]

Each time you say " scholars ' im slightly embarrassed for you . You give over your sense making to others so readily .

It’s easy to become embarrassed for others when you’re unaware of the landscape.

 

[John1.12]

We select the ones that are peer-reviewed and have recognized standing in their profession, and carry the authority of their research.

So niave, bless your cottons though .

 

[John1.12]

It’s easy to become embarrassed for others when you’re unaware of the landscape.

There's 50 scholars on the left and fifty Scholars on the right . They are all equally accredited. Why do you pick the ones that you do ?

 

[sojourner]

So niave, bless your cottons though .

It’s because of them that you have a bible to read. Otherwise, you’d be trying to decipher Greek texts, written in all caps, with no punctuation or spacing between words, no chapter and verse divisions. And Hebrew is worse; there were no vowels.

 

[John1.12]

It’s easy to become embarrassed for others when you’re unaware of the landscape.

But scholars differ, wildly .

 

[sojourner]

There's 50 scholars on the left and fifty Scholars on the right . They are all equally accredited. Why do you pick the ones that you do ?

I read all 100, and pick the camp that makes the most sense of the available data, with the least bias.