WHY I LEFT ISLAM - The Story of An Apostate In Saudi

[SpeaksForTheTrees]

My twin sister converted to Islam so I know what you mean.

Thank you, however I believe in all paths and that any heavenly judgement can only be fair , if based on actions and not belief or prayer or fear .
I believe Athiesm is fair stance also is a belief and not an action. ie
A religious man who makes the wrong choices would have a much tougher case to answer to than a disbeliever who did charity work all there life ?.

 

[Jumi]

Every body is talking about Islam...
But how do they know Islam...
Most of them did not read the Quran...
Don't understand the difference between the different Islamic sects and views..

Which is why I ask your opinion, if you would kill your son or daughter if they had doubt on their mind?

Generally speacking there are almost no atheists in most of the Islamic world...

That's not true. You just don't know them, because in your country they are killed if they are honest. If they are your son, you would support their killing if they doubted.

Those who have read the Quran will realize that Muslims who read the quran at least five times a day will never apostate. Many of those claim to be apostates are seeking refugee in western countries for one reason or another.

So you consider also refugees apostates? Ok...

 

[leibowde84]

No, we aren't the ones who say who's going to hell or to heaven.
If you don't believe then how that is insulting? do you mean God
is insulting the disbelievers by letting them in the hell or what ?

No, it is insulting to profess a belief that certain people are destined for hell due to their lack of belief based on a books claims about God.

 

[outhouse]

Islam allowed both the Jews and the Christians to have their own places of worship within the Islamic nation...

I question this because muslims kill muslims even genocidal, over sectarian difference alone, let alone the terrorism and murder and torture of Christians and jews

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

The news is not where you learn Islam..
Islam allowed both the Jews and the Christians to have their own places of worship within the Islamic nation...This happened since more than 1400 years back...Just try thinking deeply about this fact to realize how great is Islam.

So great that Jews & Christians could only keep practising their religions on the condition they pay protection money to enjoy the same religious freedom as Muslims. In fact it wasn't even that because Christians weren't allowed to convert people - which is a huge part of their faith.

Don't be too proud of Islam. Engaging in gangster tactics isn't exactly something to boast about.

 

[LuisDantas]

The next verse(2:257) is about how God will treat them which isn't of our business

The quran is a guidance for Muslims, so if it says no compulsion in religion then it should means no compulsion,
The outcome of it, as to believe or to disbelieve is God's business and not ours.

Except that Muslims are expected to obey God's will as they understand it and to shape their values and expectations accordingly.

I would be happy to let your God deal with me as he sees fit. I am considerably less at ease with the realization that there are so many people who think of the Qur'an as the supreme, unchanging, perfect and even complete word of God.

For example God says don't eat pigs, but didn't say kill the pigs, so it means that pigs will still exist
and some people will still not believe and will eat it

I don't see where the insult is?

I believe you do not. I guess I have to be patient. It takes time for realization to dawn, if I am any indication.

 

[FearGod]

No, it is insulting to profess a belief that certain people are destined for hell due to their lack of belief based on a books claims about God.

I don't see an insult, for example if Christians believe that other people including me will go to hell
for not believing in Jesus, then that's what they believe but not an insult.

 

[Sleeppy]

How do you believe Islam can be reformed in the part of condemning apostates to death?

I'm interested.



I'd like to know that too.

Remove the confusion. The death penalty may apply for those who murder, for those who spread mischief in the land, and for those who apostate and do not withdraw peacefully.

Because there is room here for the spirit of Cain to overcome, it has. Remove the death penalty altogether; it is not an effective solution in any of these cases. Mercy and sustenance are the preventatives of murder, mischief, and alienation- and this is the only way toward God's strength in peace.

 

[Tumah]

The news is not where you learn Islam..
Islam allowed both the Jews and the Christians to have their own places of worship within the Islamic nation...This happened since more than 1400 years back...Just try thinking deeply about this fact to realize how great is Islam.

Sometimes.
You need to add the word "sometimes" after the word Islam.
Then at the ends of the sentence, you can add, "And other times, they forced conversion at risk of expulsion, persecution and occasionally death. Although generally a superficial acceptance was enough, sometimes - as is the case during the Almohad caliphate, persecution was common."

If you just fix that in there, your statement will be a lot more factual.

 

[outhouse]

Islam allowed both the Jews and the Christians to have their own places of worship within the Islamic nation

How do you explain the islamic genocide against Christians.


Where muslims are a minority muslims scream for minority rights!
Where muslims are the majority, there are no minority rights what so ever!

 

[leibowde84]

I don't see an insult, for example if Christians believe that other people including me will go to hell
for not believing in Jesus, then that's what they believe but not an insult.

That's certainly insulting as well.

 

[RebornHindu]

That's certainly insulting as well.

I see it as an insult too. I am a former Christian and I remember being in Church with my family and the Pastor was preaching. He started insulting all other religious Deities. He was saying how can people worship a fat man (Buddah) and Gods with a bunch of arms (Maa Durga) and said something insulting about Islam as well. He went on about how everyone who did not believe in Jesus would go to hell and burn in damnation. That was when I knew, Christianity was not for me.

 

[paarsurrey]

I don't see an insult, for example if Christians believe that other people including me will go to hell
for not believing in Jesus, then that's what they believe but not an insult.

I agree with you.
If they would have ridiculed, that would have been insulting.
Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

For example God says don't eat pigs, but didn't say kill the pigs, so it means that pigs will still exist
and some people will still not believe and will eat it

Pigs would be happy that Muslims don't eat them and don't kill them.
Regards

 

[leibowde84]

I agree with you.
If they would have ridiculed, that would have been insulting.
Regards

Claiming that someone will go to hell based on nothing more than belief is most certainly ridicule.

 

[psychoslice]

Islam can not be reformed

Why not ?.

 

[psychoslice]

hi.can I ask you what is your religoin?

I don't have a religion, but I do know when a relgioin is wrong, and needing to be reformed.

 

[icehorse]

The news is not where you learn Islam..
Islam allowed both the Jews and the Christians to have their own places of worship within the Islamic nation...This happened since more than 1400 years back...Just try thinking deeply about this fact to realize how great is Islam.

This thread is gobsmacking in so many ways, I don't even know where to start. That said, this seems like a clear claim, that we can look at on its own...

Shia-Islam, Let me ask you this: Can you name a modern, Muslim majority country in which Christians and Jews are not being pushed out? As far as I know, it's extremely hard these days to be anything other than a Muslim in a Muslim majority country.

This is an important point, because the rest of the world does its best to be tolerant of Muslim immigrants, and yet Muslims seem very intolerant of non-Muslims in "their countries".

 

[SpeaksForTheTrees]

first can i ask you what is your religion?

Soli Deo gloria - Christian

 

[SpeaksForTheTrees]

I agree with you.
If they would have ridiculed, that would have been insulting.
Regards

Story says Jesus died for All mankind not only Christian , everyone even the unborn .