Why I'm Not A "Feminist"

[Triumphant_Loser]

Gotcha!!!
You talk the talk, but you don't walk the walk.
:biglaugh:

Religion in a nutshell... "Do as I say, not as I do."

 

[Alceste]

It is not blocked!

People are never persecuted in Saudi Arabia simply for what or who they are, they are only convicted for practically breaking laws only!

If someone is a homosexual, and they even tell everyone here that they are, they don't get bothered. Noting takes place unless the act of having a sex among them, which is against the law, is done and eye-witnessed, and by the law. Don't break the law, you live like anyone else here, something universal!

Non Muslims roam Saudi Arabia all the time and no one tells them any thing!

Please don't be fooled by the media of what others tell you!

But anyway, the main argument was not the above, but this:


Don't get me wrong, I'm not holding anything against you, I only wanted to be honest with a friend!

Let's be honest. Nobody is going to obey a law that says you can't fall in love, can't experience sensuality, can't be in a romantic relationship, can't get married, can't have a family etc. because you're not attracted to your officially sanctioned opposite gender.

So yes, this is persecution.

Nobody ever did obey laws like that - western countries used to have similar laws on the books, until we realized laws of that nature are ethically and morally wrong. The more love we have in this world, the better.

 

[Revoltingest]

Gotcha!!!
You talk the talk, but you don't walk the walk.
:biglaugh:

To be fair, it does seem that you're trying to trap him.
Some are more willing to take the bait than others.
(I like the taste of bait.)

 

[oldbadger]

I answered sufficient for you; this is not a debate about me

Hello again Robert....

I'm home now..... aren't those mobiles fiddly?

Now...... RF members are very..... human.... .... so they'll be developing ideas about you from your answers, .... you know?

I've read a couple of your posts, and these attracted my attention.
Now...... I've only got one more question for you, ........ ready? Good!

Question:-
Do you judge people by your standards, or by theirs?

Robert...... you know you want to answer this.....

 

[oldbadger]

To be fair, it does seem that you're trying to trap him.
Some are more willing to take the bait than others.
(I like the taste of bait.)

Me? Trap him? What a wicked evil thought you just thunk up there!
I'm distraught.
I'm a pussycat!

:sad4:

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

factually correct; she is a woman who thinks she is a man

Wrong! I am a man. Don't call me "she" or a "woman" again.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

It is okay, I don't mind any disagreement or negative opinions even on me. What really bother me are the rude and offensive ways to state them. What bothers me too is that those laws are for the people who made them themselves in the first place, so why do others from outside criticize them rudely?

No one said anything about you. My criticism is of a culture that persecutes people for merely being different. It is completely disgusting. My culture has a lot of disgusting aspects, too, but at least we don't execute or imprison LGBT people!

 

[oldbadger]

(I like the taste of bait.)

Have you ever dreamed that you dressed up in stockings and corset?
....Look, I'm only asking.......
....There's no harm in just asking.........
.....is there...?

 

[Riverwolf]

That would depend on which feminist you speak to. The original feminist movement

I don't care about the "original feminist movement." Whatever they did is irrelevant to the modern feminist movement.

It is true that feminism has evolved, all things do. But we are flesh and blood, not spirit, we are below, not above; thus men and women should act accordingly, for all things are Consciousness, the Consciousness of God.... so we answer for what we do if we make unstable what should be. This is a long process. It is not as simple as you might think. It is true that men did not use their power wisely, but it appears that as women become more masculine, so they also misuse their power. First we men had an example through women, now there is none.

I don't observe any of that in the world, either now or in history.

We're not below, or above. We're in the middle. Above are the Gods, below are the Orcs.

And among the Gods, Valfreyja and Athena.

You know, so long as we're speaking mythologically.

The mother is the one who should remain with the children not the father; that can lead to wrong things; and no one can work from home and still be a full time mother, that is just foolishness; you are making up a reality which is not possible to suit some ideal that is given you from society so you don't have to think

I think all the time.

If you think so much, then tell me why having a penis makes someone incapable of remaining with children, and why having a vagina makes someone unsuited for working. Sounds pretty arbitrary if you ask me. If it's so foolish, you should be able to explain, in detail, why.

Besides, everything that everyone has is given to us from society to some degree. But I'm an introvert and stay at home all the time. Trust me: that gives me PLENTY of time to think. I'm not making anything up. I'm observing the world.

On the other hand, your entire argument in favor of forced gender roles seems entirely based on your personal theology. Sorry, but that's simply not good enough for us. You're entitled to it, but leave us out of it.

 

[oldbadger]

I don't care about the "original feminist movement." Whatever they did is irrelevant to the modern feminist movement.

...... just a hint.....
The honourable member may have noticed your Title, which says 'The Old Way'.
Now..... if you just changed one word...... ??

 

[Riverwolf]

...... just a hint.....
The honourable member may have noticed your Title, which says 'The Old Way'.
Now..... if you just changed one word...... ??

"The Old Way" is just a modern English translation for Old English "Forn Sidu"/Old Norse "Fyrn Sithr"(literally: "fore side"), which refers to pre-Christian European religion. It has nothing to do with feminism, except for the fact that Celto-Germanic people were far more sexually egalitarian than the Greco-Roman people.

 

[Robert.Evans]

Gotcha!!!
You talk the talk, but you don't walk the walk.

How so? This subject is about feminism. What has that to do with me. From what I see of you, you seem to use clever little arguments to steer people into situations that you get a kick out of, present post making that clear. If you want to discuss, then do so. I made a point which you have tried to twist into something else. Homos--uality is not normal, it is not natural. If it is, then so is murder. That is what I was speaking about at the time. Even Dawkins says the reason for life is to pass on your genes. If that is so, then homos--uals are not normal. The fact that there are obviously some who can but don't have offspring is neither here nor there. If you have legs you can walk or sit, it is up to you; but with no legs, you cannot walk.

 

[Robert.Evans]

Let's be honest. Nobody is going to obey a law that says you can't fall in love, can't experience sensuality, can't be in a romantic relationship, can't get married, can't have a family etc. because you're not attracted to your officially sanctioned opposite gender.

So yes, this is persecution.

Nobody ever did obey laws like that - western countries used to have similar laws on the books, until we realized laws of that nature are ethically and morally wrong. The more love we have in this world, the better.

There are people who don't obey the law that you should not kill. People may be do wrong, but they don't have to live with mainstream people. What is wrong with them living in their own land? Difficult to do? I don't think so, and I think they would be happier along with everyone else

 

[factseeker88]

What's good for the goose has, historically, not been good enough for the gander. That's what feminism is about, to me. To turn feminism, then, also towards the goose's needs would be no longer feminism but simple egalitarianism.

I don't call myself feminist because I'm more egalitarian.

I've always known woman were smarter, more patient, and more organized than most men, but they don't get enough time to show it.



[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]factseeker88[/FONT]


“[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]What we think, or what we know, or what we believe is, in the end, of little consequence. The only consequence is WHAT WE DO.” John Ruskin (1819 - 1900) [/FONT]

 

[columbus]

Homos--uality is not normal, it is not natural. If it is, then so is murder.

Saintliness isn't normal. Cooking isn't natural.

The question is about morality. Moral behavior improves the human situation, immoral behavior degrades it. Murder degrades the human situation. But homosex doesn't hurt anything, given that there are already 7,000,000,000 people and growing. We don't need any more kids. Homosexuality provides erotic love without producing children the human race doesn't need and is better off without.

Tom

 

[Robert.Evans]

Saintliness isn't normal. Cooking isn't natural.

The question is about morality. Moral behavior improves the human situation, immoral behavior degrades it. Murder degrades the human situation. But homosex doesn't hurt anything, given that there are already 7,000,000,000 people and growing. We don't need any more kids. Homosexuality provides erotic love without producing children the human race doesn't need and is better off without.

Tom

What of Aids? What this has to do with feminism I don't know, but you did say it does not hurt anything; anyway, there is always the bigger picture, we are all part of God and have a role to play

 

[Robert.Evans]

I've always known woman were smarter, more patient, and more organized than most men, but they don't get enough time to show it.



[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]factseeker88[/FONT]


“[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]What we think, or what we know, or what we believe is, in the end, of little consequence. The only consequence is WHAT WE DO.” John Ruskin (1819 - 1900) [/FONT]

that is just your opinion I suppose, I see nothing in life to back it up, the opposite if anything, though I take your point that they may need more time to show it

 

[Triumphant_Loser]

What of Aids? What this has to do with feminism I don't know, but you did say it does not hurt anything; anyway, there is always the bigger picture, we are all part of God and have a role to play

You DO realize there are more straight people with AIDS than gay people, right? Also, BTW... You STILL haven't answered my question... Are infertile people evil?

 

[columbus]

What of Aids? What this has to do with feminism I don't know, but you did say it does not hurt anything; anyway, there is always the bigger picture, we are all part of God and have a role to play

What of the abnormality of saintliness? What of the unnatural tendency towards cooking?

AIDS is blood born virus most prevalent where conservative abrahamic dominate. It's a human disease. There are more heterosexual Muslims infected than homosexuals of any religious persuasion.

So, let's go back to my point. Moral behavior isn't necessarily normal or natural. Moral is good behavior.

Whatever human prophet you take to be speaking for God is wrong. It is that simple.

Tom

 

[Riverwolf]

What of Aids? What this has to do with feminism I don't know, but you did say it does not hurt anything; anyway, there is always the bigger picture, we are all part of God and have a role to play

There's a lot of overlap between Feminism and LGBT+ issues, actually, and as it turns out, AIDS has nothing whatsoever to do with homosexuality. The first documented humans to be infected with HIV, even though it wasn't yet recognized as such, were heterosexuals.

The vast majority of homosexuals do not have HIV; if you don't have HIV, and your sexual partner doesn't have HIV, neither of you will ever get HIV from each other regardless of whether or not you are the same gender.

By the way, all tool use is unnatural. So, because it's unnatural, and apparently unnatural means immoral, should you stop using your computer, throw away all your clothes, go live in a forest and survive using nothing but your body?