Why I'm Not A "Feminist"

[Riverwolf]

You cannot be a fulltime mother and a full time worker even though that is the myth

LOL You'd feel right at home in Japan. ^_^

If the mother is working full time but the father is staying at home with the kids, there's no problem.

Besides, it's possible to be a stay-at-home full time worker.

 

[Riverwolf]

So, um, if you're not a feminist, what are you? Masculinist or what?

If you're not a feminist, you're not a feminist. Simple as that.

Whether that's because of a personal choice to not apply the label to yourself, or because your beliefs go against the core of what it means to be a feminist, is what determines other things.

 

[Robert.Evans]

I think it's an oversimplification of the issue to say that the problem is just "Wahhabis" or followers of any other specific religious sect in isolation of the culture, traditions, and customs of the country they're in.

There are indeed many non-Muslims in Saudi Arabia, but only Muslims are allowed to build houses of worship,

And so it should be. If that is the Numen of the land, then it is their God. We have to respect them as a country and a people. Those who do not fit in can either live away from or leave, it is not difficult

And homosexuals don't typically come out and openly discuss their sexual orientation there either; that would be like asking for trouble. You may be aware that there are places in the capital of Saudi Arabia, for example, where homosexuals are known to gather and hang out with each other, but they don't outright state that they're homosexuals or openly discuss it. They are basically a de facto minority that is unacknowledged except as a "problem" that society supposedly needs to deal with.

considering that it is not normal and there are many problems that come with it then they should keep quite about it.

I don't think any person who is even remotely familiar with Saudi or Middle Eastern culture in general can honestly say that homosexuals wouldn't face any problems at all if they came out and lived their life without hiding anything about themselves in those places.

There is nothing natural about homos--uality. The reason for life is to beget life, anything therefore that is against that is abnormal and an adulteration of it. I wonder how long it will be before we look for a reason to say theft and murder are also normal....then they won't have to police that either

 

[Robert.Evans]

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Originally Posted by Robert.Evans
You always make attacking statements but they seems shallow on evidence;

YOUR COMMENT:

For the tip of the iceberg:

I think my first comment pretty much explains your first comment

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I have to say that some of the comments here make me feel at little bit nausea. Is there no men in the west now then with a back bone, or none here. It seems that we would prefer for 'mummy' to make the decisions so we don't have to-- that is what happens when you follow the Goddess and not the God. The only way to the FATHER is through the son, not the mother.

The comment of "mother" I'm sure you remember from another thread. But the statement stands. Men back up women to save them thinking and having a continual argument, which women are good at; men on the other hand, like to get things sorted quicker, and of course they are territorial, so it is always easy to attack a man, no one will mind then will they. It is following the feminine, that is why feminism is so strong in the west.
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Your being deceived by the feminine Goddess my friend

See above

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Women not fulfilling their roles leads to arguing, fighting, murder, a lack of houses, too much fuel required, too many cars, more adultery, more chances of child abuse, damaged children etc etc

factually correct. You have a problem with the truth perhaps. Relationships breaking up do create problems

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Criminals that come from a single parent background are more likely to commit crime than those of a stable relationship; one of the biggest factors in this is the change in the role of women in the last few decades.

factually correct.

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So your homos--ual are you? That is the only way that makes sense. But that is a sin, you must know that, it is not natural nor normal

factually correct

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well, I could say that that it is dishonest to say that you are male as you are not male; but that would offend again I suppose; so you have had testosterone or whatever, and now have whiskers perhaps....not that it matters

factually correct; she is a woman who thinks she is a man

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And then you talk about someone's being "offensive" for criticizing another culture. How precious.

it has to have a point to it; you don't; you seem to attack people not arguments' I don't see much 'debate slaying' going on, just criticism

If you don't see how the garbage in your comments is offensive,

see what I mean?

then the issue is probably far more than some posts on a forum.

again a personal attack with nothing to back it up; your comments to me are always the same; when you don't like what you read you attack the person;

 

[Robert.Evans]

Wahhabism is not a sect, it is a stubborn and very strict movement of orthodox Islam. That alone makes it straying from true Islamic teachings. Unfortunately, the law is based on it. Even I suffer from it sometimes, tho not so badly!

All of what you said are parts of the law that needs to be followed. What I said before was that no one is bothered for being who they are as long as they don't break those rules. Rules say that all expats must have their religions on there ID's for non oppressing reasons. I mean, how can we forexample know the religion of those entering Makkah where only Muslims are allowed to? It is not there to oppress them. Arab Jews aren't common here because, well, where are they and how many are there even? It only adds up for that!

It is all about the law, and there is no law here that hurts anyone for simply being who they are. Don't break the law, you are safe and even protected as a guest. Be it you are homo, non Muslim of anything else. No one is forced to stay in Saudi Arabia, and when someone is coming in, they are told everything they need to know. They don't like it, they have the choice to not come in, simple as that. Otherwise, everyone is welcome here!

Great answer..... but most of the west will not agree I'm afraid

 

[Smart_Guy]

Whether that's because of a personal choice to not apply the label to yourself, or because your beliefs go against the core of what it means to be a feminist, is what determines other things.

Sorry, I don't get the point!

Just for the records, I wasn't serious. I was playing with words, being the English graduate I am!

 

[Robert.Evans]

And many of those rules are the problem. Saying that people can leave if they don't like how things are doesn't really address the rationality or validity of the rules themselves;

Do you not have rules in your house? Can anyone come in? Can they do what they want? Or would you say do it or leave? Why is it different? The west is too arrogant in judging others yet ignore their own people sleeping on doorsteps and carrying weapons that kill whilst their women kill even before they are born, creating world recessions; yet we, we, judge others!!

 

[Robert.Evans]

Actually, I learned it from my own studies of history, completely independent of feminism. The modern US media is actually decidedly anti-feminist, and I pretty much completely ignore it.

And from it, I learned that the Celto-Germanic world was actually not terribly unlike our modern world in terms of how women were treated. What you're describing is something we inherited from the Greco-Roman world, and it's something that should be discarded.

Hail Queen Boudica!

And not in anyway common. Feminism doesn't fight men specifically; it fights patriarchy, which is supported by both men and women.



If there's enough to share, there's no such struggle.

That's a place where are patriarchal society (which is part of pan-Anglo-American culture, so we have a similar problem here) hurts men. Feminism seeks to fight that, as well.

Of course, if the father takes the kids against the court order, it's legally kidnapping. It would also be kidnapping (I'd hope) if the court order allows the father custody and the mother takes them.

With gender equality, genitals aren't a judgment for any aspect of an individual.

Oh, please. Both women and men are perfectly capable of hard physical work, and there's nothing inherent to having a penis that makes us incapable of working well in the house.

The US is not a major contributor to the world's overpopulation(and if it were, encouraging women to not have children would be a good thing). Third-world countries, India, China, and Japan are. I also have no problem with taxes.

Whether a family breaks up is on the family in question. If anything, feminism would help keep families together, because it would help make sure everyone's needs are being met, all limits are understood and respected, and healthy communication is happening. That supports healthy, happy, long-term families.

Both me and my girlfriend (MoonWater on these forums) are feminists, and we've been together for 7-and-a-half years. She's my first ever girlfriend.

you are entighteled to your opinion; I am pleased for your relationship;

 

[Robert.Evans]

None of us are saying that. You are.

Feminism absolutely cares about children, and is working to make a better society in general. It takes a lot of hard work from everyone.

That would depend on which feminist you speak to. The original feminist movement went out to destroy the family because that was the power base of the man; as they are intimidated by men, this they had to destroy to gain power and wealth, greed orientation. The main reason for abortion, some 46 million a year (!) is their career. First they are immoral, then they kill. Men are not better, first they are immoral, then they let them kill. It is true that feminism has evolved, all things do. But we are flesh and blood, not spirit, we are below, not above; thus men and women should act accordingly, for all things are Consciousness, the Consciousness of God.... so we answer for what we do if we make unstable what should be. This is a long process. It is not as simple as you might think. It is true that men did not use their power wisely, but it appears that as women become more masculine, so they also misuse their power. First we men had an example through women, now there is none.

 

[Robert.Evans]

LOL You'd feel right at home in Japan. ^_^

If the mother is working full time but the father is staying at home with the kids, there's no problem.

Besides, it's possible to be a stay-at-home full time worker.

The mother is the one who should remain with the children not the father; that can lead to wrong things; and no one can work from home and still be a full time mother, that is just foolishness; you are making up a reality which is not possible to suit some ideal that is given you from society so you don't have to think

 

[Smart_Guy]

Great answer..... but most of the west will not agree I'm afraid

It is okay, I don't mind any disagreement or negative opinions even on me. What really bother me are the rude and offensive ways to state them. What bothers me too is that those laws are for the people who made them themselves in the first place, so why do others from outside criticize them rudely?

 

[Robert.Evans]

It is okay, I don't mind any disagreement or negative opinions even on me. What really bother me are the rude and offensive ways to state them. What bothers me too is that those laws are for the people who made them themselves in the first place, so why do others from outside criticize them rudely?

There is always, perhaps more in the west, arrogant assumptions about other people; considering our past, you would think we would be more understanding. Perhaps we see in 'you' what 'we' were and wish to punish you rather than ourselves?

And this from nations fighting wars all over the place under the guise of fighting terrorists. Does not one fight terrorism at home? Are not wars fought abroad?

 

[oldbadger]

And so it should be. If that is the Numen of the land, then it is their God. We have to respect them as a country and a people. Those who do not fit in can either live away from or leave, it is not difficult

This would be difficult in England.
Do you follow a Creed or particular Church?

There is nothing natural about homos--uality. The reason for life is to beget life, anything therefore that is against that is abnormal and an adulteration of it. I wonder how long it will be before we look for a reason to say theft and murder are also normal....then they won't have to police that either

Question:-
How many children do you have?

 

[Robert.Evans]

This would be difficult in England.
Do you follow a Creed or particular Church?

I don't think so; hard to implement perhaps. But the tower of Babel tells us that is right, and yet we are told in the law not to oppress a sojourner, so both would be covered

Question:-
How many children do you have?

I see where you are going. There are many ways how someone might not give life. All opinions depend on where our moral line is in the said is, do they not? If homos--uality is ok, because it is deemed natural, then what of murder? We need a line in the sand, some lines are easier to draw than others. I stick with this one, whether others like it or not. They are free to live in their own group, just not with mainstream people. And should you want an 'offensive' piece of Scripture to go with it, here it is: "Expel the immoral brother".

 

[Triumphant_Loser]

. The reason for life is to beget life, anything therefore that is against that is abnormal and an adulteration of it. I wonder how long it will be before we look for a reason to say theft and murder are also normal....then they won't have to police that either

So infertile people are evil too?

 

[Robert.Evans]

So infertile people are evil too?

so we should all be homos--ual?

 

[oldbadger]

I don't think so; hard to implement perhaps. But the tower of Babel tells us that is right, and yet we are told in the law not to oppress a sojourner, so both would be covered

I see where you are going. There are many ways how someone might not give life. All opinions depend on where our moral line is in the said is, do they not? If homos--uality is ok, because it is deemed natural, then what of murder? We need a line in the sand, some lines are easier to draw than others. I stick with this one, whether others like it or not. They are free to live in their own group, just not with mainstream people. And should you want an 'offensive' piece of Scripture to go with it, here it is: "Expel the immoral brother".

hi.......
but you did not answer two simple questions:
1. Which is your church or creed?
2. How many children do you have?

 

[Robert.Evans]

hi.......
but you did not answer two simple questions:
1. Which is your church or creed?
2. How many children do you have?

I answered sufficient for you; this is not a debate about me

 

[Triumphant_Loser]

so we should all be homos--ual?

I didn't say that, and you are avoiding my question. Are infertile people evil?

 

[oldbadger]

I answered sufficient for you; this is not a debate about me

Gotcha!!!
You talk the talk, but you don't walk the walk.
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