Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
And neither is acting gay. The only "sin" I see in discussions like this is bigotry.
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why is being gay forbidden ?
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And neither is acting gay. The only "sin" I see in discussions like this is bigotry.
Ultimatum
Classical Liberal
I don't know about this.
And I'm sure this would vary regarding where in the world you live.
In the UK, for example, we always hear about how we "need" more women in politics. This type of view would then be followed by a rapturous applause and large approval.
I don't understand how forceful desegregation allows a particular group to suddenly become qualified for a certain position.
Excuse me? What does selection based on merit have to do with homosexuality?
Not suddenly.
Maponos
Welcome to the Opera
Very few religions actually even mention homosexuality or distinguish it from heterosexuality. The only religions (as a whole, for the most part) that actually do this are those that came from the Middle East. Some religions or philosophies in the Orient do mention male/male sex as sexual misconduct but I can't remember which. It may have been a Confucian school or Buddhist sect.
Some Hindu sects also regard homosexuality (usually male) as bad too, if I'm not mistaken.
The reason homosexuality is viewed as bad by some of these faiths has nothing to do with a male dominated society but rather that it is simply a different and rare form of human sexuality.
Some Hindu sects also regard homosexuality (usually male) as bad too, if I'm not mistaken.
The reason homosexuality is viewed as bad by some of these faiths has nothing to do with a male dominated society but rather that it is simply a different and rare form of human sexuality.
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
Fundamental Christians and Muslims seem to have a major problem with it. Shame on them.
Mohammad Nur Syamsu
Well-Known Member
I think the witness of gays of their love is lacking. Nothing precludes setting up a religion in which being gay is righteous.
Maponos
Welcome to the Opera
Some ancient Greek philosophers proclaimed that male homosexuality was the highest form of love.
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
So you don't want gays in Islam?
I'm afraid that this does not make grammatical sense in English. It sounds vaguely critical of homosexuality, but that is how far I can go.
Nothing precludes people from rejecting disrespectful religions, either. Or from learning better, from daring to actually improve their own religious practice.
Mohammad Nur Syamsu
Well-Known Member
Apparently it was not very convincing for people.
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
Indeed. I completely reject religious homophobia as the bigotry it is, and hope for a more enlightened approach in the fullness of time.
Maponos
Welcome to the Opera
It didn't really go challenged either. Homosexuality wasn't a moral concept in pre-Christian Europe.
You and me both, brother.
I take it you mean "apparently it was not forcefully enforced"?
Mohammad Nur Syamsu
Well-Known Member
You should show homosexuality is religiously vindicated.
"Vindicated"?
Not sure what you mean, but why would he have any duty regarding homosexuality?
It seems to me that it falls upon those who claim that homosexuality is somehow wrong to offer reasons why that would be the case.
Or better yet, just learn better and accept homosexuality as natural. Which it is and always was.
Maponos
Welcome to the Opera
That's the thing- it's not. The closest I can think of it ever being vindicated is in some mythologies where the gods have homosexual relationships. Apollo is very well known for having male lovers in Greek mythology.
This was pretty much the Norse attitude also (gotta love those randy and rowdy Vikings
). In Norse society women were extremely well-thought of, even powerful I daresay. They could hold land and possessions, even rule. So, inheritance was not an issue. Property held by the family stayed in the family even if the woman survived her husband and had sons or not. She was the matriarch. The main concern was raising children to help farm and keep the community alive. What two men or two women did on the side with each other was no one's business as long as you fulfilled your social obligation to make a family. I'll go out on a limb and say if you think about it in Indo-European societies homosexuality was not given as much thought as it was in the patriarchal Middle East.Mohammad Nur Syamsu
Well-Known Member
Well then there you have it. People could make religions choosing to vindicate homosexuality, they choose not to.
Maybe it is because for heterosexuals it is a sin to engage in homosexuality, that religion generally condemns homosexuality.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
God does not punish gay christians. His disagrement is with our behavior in our given relationships. That, is what doesnt make sense to me. The justification is that male and female organs are designed for procreation (in some denominies) and natural sex. Anything done outside of that that is unnautual is unnatual to God. I feel if you are a christian you are growing in Christ. God doesnt punish you if you repent.