why is being gay forbidden ?

[Riverwolf]

Ok.Thanks for your comment.Have a nice day.

Good health and harvest. ^_^

 

[leibowde84]

According to the holy scriptures, it points out that woman was made for man, and they were to be one.They were to fill the earth.

Genesis 1:28 "God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it."

So here we do have the reason and command from God.Also, God never says this to anyone else, but man and woman.

If the law states that a man and man or woman and woman can get married,then let them.If it's the new law,then so be it.everyone has free will.If law permits it, then it is law.No one has the right to shout and tell people what they can and can not do.Everyone has the right to do what they please if it's within the law.These are the laws of the land.God's laws are something else.

Ok, so we already "filled the earth and subdued it." So, why would God not want homosexuals to be married now? We don't have the same issues with reproduction anymore, and it seems that people are reproducing far too often these days. So, what is the logic behind the rule in the modern world, not in the world that existed when the Old Testament was written?

 

[Nada]

Good health and harvest. ^_^

Thanks.

 

[leibowde84]

Depending on who you talk to, all states shame the "good name" of the United States, depending on how that "good name" is defined. Far as I'm concerned, the "good name" is shamed by pretty much the entire country.



Well screw those scriptures, then.

Right, but at least we don't have States that are segregated by law. That is at the very least an improvement.

 

[Nada]

Ok, so we already "filled the earth and subdued it." So, why would God not want homosexuals to be married now? We don't have the same issues with reproduction anymore, and it seems that people are reproducing far too often these days. So, what is the logic behind the rule in the modern world, not in the world that existed when the Old Testament was written?

Well God never wanted homosexuals to be married in the first place.Then, or now.He calls it an abomination, so we all know how He feels about it.

 

[leibowde84]

Well God never wanted homosexuals to be married in the first place.Then, or now.He calls it an abomination, so we all know how He feels about it.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but homosexual marriage is not mentioned at all in the Bible. The idea did not exist back then. The only mention of homosexuality is in non-committed relationships. And, also correct me if I am wrong, but all sexual activity outside of marriage is "wrong," so we should expect that both heterosexual and homosexual sex would be "sinful."

In other words, God never said anything about Gay Marriage. He only spoke of sexual activities outside of commitment, which we already knew were bad. So, unless I am missing something, you are wrong.

 

[Riverwolf]

Right, but at least we don't have States that are segregated by law. That is at the very least an improvement.

Oh, for sure. Things are improving, overall, and I see them continuing to improve as puritanical values continue to fade.

Thing is, at this point, that improvement largely involves playing catch-up to a lot of other countries. For example, Iceland's Prime Minister is a lesbian.

 

[Nada]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but homosexual marriage is not mentioned at all in the Bible. The idea did not exist back then. The only mention of homosexuality is in non-committed relationships. And, also correct me if I am wrong, but all sexual activity outside of marriage is "wrong," so we should expect that both heterosexual and homosexual sex would be "sinful."

In other words, God never said anything about Gay Marriage. He only spoke of sexual activities outside of commitment, which we already knew were bad. So, unless I am missing something, you are wrong.

Correct! Homosexual marriage is never mentioned because it does not exist.Homosexuality is considered sexual immorality.
Yes sex outside of marriage is forbidden.Yes, both heterosexual and homosexual sex is wrong, and sinful, according to Gods laws, but recognize that God never calls sex outside of marriage an abomination.He does for homosexuality though.This just shows you how strongly he feels about this practice.

Another thing I want to mention is that people think it is ok to have anal sex with women and oral sex.Both of these practices are forbidden.They are considered sexually immoral according to the holy scriptures.So not only is it bad for homosexuals,but also for heterosexuals.Many do not even know this.Many do not even know that oral sex is actually part of sodomy.


Dictionary: sexual intercourse involving anal or oral copulation.

 

[Riverwolf]

Correct! Homosexual marriage is never mentioned because it does not exist.Homosexuality is considered sexual immorality.
Yes sex outside of marriage is forbidden.Yes, both heterosexual and homosexual sex is wrong, and sinful, according to Gods laws, but recognize that God never calls sex outside of marriage an abomination.He does for homosexuality though.This just shows you how strongly he feels about this practice.

And the question is this: WHY?!?!

Is God just gay or bi himself and so afraid to admit it that he makes it forbidden?

 

[Tumah]

Hebrews 13:4

There are no scriptures condemning oral sex or anal sex; and the marriage bed is undefiled. So believing that all sex outside of vaginal is sinful is not scripturally accurate.

I think his question was directed at me, based on what I had said earlier.

 

[Nada]

And the question is this: WHY?!?!

Is God just gay or bi himself and so afraid to admit it that he makes it forbidden?

I would think no,that He is not gay, or bi,due to the simple fact that He states it in the holy scriptures as an abomination.I don't think someone who created the entire universe would be scared of anything.It seems He forbids it because it is detestable to Him.That's what I get out of it when I read the holy scriptures on this matter.

 

[Riverwolf]

I would think no,that He is not gay, or bi,due to the simple fact that He states it in the holy scriptures as an abomination.I don't think someone who created the entire universe would be scared of anything.It seems He forbids it because it is detestable to Him.That's what I get out of it when I read the holy scriptures on this matter.

But WHY does he find it so detestable? What other reason would he have for detesting anything, particularly something that he created himself, unless he was afraid of it? Fear is one of the primary sources of hate.

 

[Nada]

But WHY does he find it so detestable? What other reason would he have for detesting anything, particularly something that he created himself, unless he was afraid of it? Fear is one of the primary sources of hate.

Well if you understand how God feels about marriage between man and woman, it is obvious as to why he hates homosexuality.Homosexuality is the complete opposite of what God intended.God did not create homosexuality.It is a sexually immoral practice that man does, and has nothing to do with God.According to the holy scriptures of course.

 

[leibowde84]

Correct! Homosexual marriage is never mentioned because it does not exist.Homosexuality is considered sexual immorality.
Yes sex outside of marriage is forbidden.Yes, both heterosexual and homosexual sex is wrong, and sinful, according to Gods laws, but recognize that God never calls sex outside of marriage an abomination.He does for homosexuality though.This just shows you how strongly he feels about this practice.

Another thing I want to mention is that people think it is ok to have anal sex with women and oral sex.Both of these practices are forbidden.They are considered sexually immoral according to the holy scriptures.So not only is it bad for homosexuals,but also for heterosexuals.Many do not even know this.Many do not even know that oral sex is actually part of sodomy.


Dictionary: sexual intercourse involving anal or oral copulation.

Again, I know what scriptures say. I am asking what the logic is behind these rules. That is fine that you BELIEVE that God hates homosexuality, anal sex, and oral sex, but that is merely your subjective opinion, based on the subjective opinions of others. But, I think we can do better than that. What is the logic behind outlawing homosexuality, anal sex, and oral sex? I am not saying that there isn't logic (although, it is beyond me), but I am saying that using the same logic as was used 3000 years ago is a bit unreasonable. It is indisputable that the same problems associated with a lack of reproduction are not present in our modern world.

 

[Nada]

Again, I know what scriptures say. I am asking what the logic is behind these rules. That is fine that you BELIEVE that God hates homosexuality, anal sex, and oral sex, but that is merely your subjective opinion, based on the subjective opinions of others. But, I think we can do better than that. What is the logic behind outlawing homosexuality, anal sex, and oral sex? I am not saying that there isn't logic (although, it is beyond me), but I am saying that using the same logic as was used 3000 years ago is a bit unreasonable. It is indisputable that the same problems associated with a lack of reproduction are not present in our modern world.

It is one thing to know what the holy scriptures actually say.It is another to assume.You keep claiming that you already know what the holy scriptures says,yet you tell me," That is fine that you BELIEVE that God hates homosexuality, anal sex, and oral sex, but that is merely your subjective opinion, based on the subjective opinions of others." I could easily say the same about your beliefs.What you just stated is merely your opinion, and not fact. If you did know what the holy scriptures did say about homosexuality,you would already know that it is not my opinion.You speak to me about logic but can not see the clear words in the holy scriptures pointing out clearly that God does not approve of homosexuality.Even if you do not believe in God,that's what it says.It is not my opinion or my words.

 

[leibowde84]

It is one thing to know what the holy scriptures actually say.It is another to assume.You keep claiming that you already know what the holy scriptures says,yet you tell me," That is fine that you BELIEVE that God hates homosexuality, anal sex, and oral sex, but that is merely your subjective opinion, based on the subjective opinions of others." I could easily say the same about your beliefs.What you just stated is merely your opinion, and not fact. If you did know what the holy scriptures did say about homosexuality,you would already know that it is not my opinion.You speak to me about logic but can not see the clear words in the holy scriptures pointing out clearly that God does not approve of homosexuality.Even if you do not believe in God,that's what it says.It is not my opinion or my words.

So, are you saying that the belief that the scriptures are an accurate representation of the will of God is an objective fact?! Because, nothing could be further from the truth. Your "opinion" comes in when you assume that the scriptures are valid, which not even all Christians adhere to. It is merely your belief that they are accurate and the belief of the men who wrote them. Thus, it is completely erroneous to say that you "know" anything about God's feelings toward homosexuality, much less committed homosexual relationships, as it is merely your SUBJECTIVE BELIEF that the writings in question are accurate. That is all I was pointing out. You can quote the scriptures all day, but that doesn't make them "fact," it merely makes them what you BELIEVE to be "fact." This is nothing more than a subjective opinion based on faith about the nature of God. And, I would add that the men who wrote said scriptures had far less of an advanced understanding of the world we live in than you and I do. So, it might be more reasonable to use your own logic instead of assuming that the writers of scriptures had it completely right.

 

[Riverwolf]

Well if you understand how God feels about marriage between man and woman, it is obvious as to why he hates homosexuality.Homosexuality is the complete opposite of what God intended.God did not create homosexuality.It is a sexually immoral practice that man does, and has nothing to do with God.According to the holy scriptures of course.

Well, far as I can tell, those scriptures are wrong in this regard. Homosexuality is a sexual orientation that many people are born with, as are bisexuality, heterosexuality, asexuality, and all the others; hence if there's a Creator God, then he made them. It therefore makes no sense why God would make people desire something and then forbid it.

Heck, speaking of asexuality, is that forbidden? If "men and women are supposed to come together in one flesh", wouldn't that mean asexuality is immoral? Keep in mind: asexuality is not chastity. Chastity is a lifestyle choice which can be practiced by anyone; asexuals don't have any sex drive at all.

 

[Awoon]

People must realize that Bible verses are for the People of that particular religion that follow them. Leave people alone outside the Bible religions. In English language, Clean Up Your Houses First !!!

 

[Nada]

So, are you saying that the belief that the scriptures are an accurate representation of the will of God is an objective fact?! Because, nothing could be further from the truth. Your "opinion" comes in when you assume that the scriptures are valid, which not even all Christians adhere to. It is merely your belief that they are accurate and the belief of the men who wrote them. Thus, it is completely erroneous to say that you "know" anything about God's feelings toward homosexuality, much less committed homosexual relationships, as it is merely your SUBJECTIVE BELIEF that the writings in question are accurate. That is all I was pointing out. You can quote the scriptures all day, but that doesn't make them "fact," it merely makes them what you BELIEVE to be "fact." This is nothing more than a subjective opinion based on faith about the nature of God. And, I would add that the men who wrote said scriptures had far less of an advanced understanding of the world we live in than you and I do. So, it might be more reasonable to use your own logic instead of assuming that the writers of scriptures had it completely right.

Your opinion has been noted.Thanks.

 

[Nada]

Well, far as I can tell, those scriptures are wrong in this regard. Homosexuality is a sexual orientation that many people are born with, as are bisexuality, heterosexuality, asexuality, and all the others; hence if there's a Creator God, then he made them. It therefore makes no sense why God would make people desire something and then forbid it.

Heck, speaking of asexuality, is that forbidden? If "men and women are supposed to come together in one flesh", wouldn't that mean asexuality is immoral? Keep in mind: asexuality is not chastity. Chastity is a lifestyle choice which can be practiced by anyone; asexuals don't have any sex drive at all.

Cool.