why is being gay forbidden ?

[NulliuSINverba]

In alot of the major religions being gay is a sin.

Agreed.

Now , this makes zero sense to me , because first off there is no reason

Wait. Hold up there a second. There is a reason: It is written.

and second gays are born that way

Perhaps, but being born that way is still a choice!

so did God create them just so they can burn in hell ?

Yes. It would appear so.

I have heard the reason is that gay sex spreads Diseases , but so does heterosexual sex.

In fact, sin entered the world because of a heterosexual couple.

So why do you punish people for the way they were born ?

See: "Reasons, God Has Morally Sufficient"

 

[URAVIP2ME]

How is fornication a sin? Like, at all? The more I think about that, the less sense it makes.
Are all forms of enjoyment sinful?

In Scripture, sex is to be only enjoyed between a married man and woman.
There were some stipulations under the temporary Constitution of the Mosaic Law with having a concubine ( secondary wife ) which insured that No woman would ever have to be alone and without the protective care of a husband in that society.

At Isaiah 55:8,9 it mentions God's thoughts, or God's thinking, is higher than ours.
For God's reasons He has chosen that the practice of fornication ( although enjoyable ) is Not acceptable in His eyes.

What may seem like a thorn today - Isaiah 55:13 - mankind will see a reversal of all the damage Satan and Adam brought upon us.
Earth will be restored to the paradisaic-like conditions that originally existed in Eden starting with Jesus' soon coming 1000-year rule over earth when people of all nations of earth will be happy and healthy enjoying life under God's standards of living.

 

[leibowde84]

In Scripture, sex is to be only enjoyed between a married man and woman.
There were some stipulations under the temporary Constitution of the Mosaic Law with having a concubine ( secondary wife ) which insured that No woman would ever have to be alone and without the protective care of a husband in that society.

At Isaiah 55:8,9 it mentions God's thoughts, or God's thinking, is higher than ours.
For God's reasons He has chosen that the practice of fornication ( although enjoyable ) is Not acceptable in His eyes.

What may seem like a thorn today - Isaiah 55:13 - mankind will see a reversal of all the damage Satan and Adam brought upon us.
Earth will be restored to the paradisaic-like conditions that originally existed in Eden starting with Jesus' soon coming 1000-year rule over earth when people of all nations of earth will be happy and healthy enjoying life under God's standards of living.

Why do you think it is reasonable to just chalk it up to God being smarter than us? I feel like that is very easy for straight people to say, but wouldn't you demand an explanation if you were gay and were refused the right to a committed relationship with every person you were attracted to? Imagine the shoe was on the other foot. Would you be willing to "change teams" (enter into a homosexual relationship) if the only explanation was "God says so and he's smarter than you?"

 

[Unification]

In Scripture, sex is to be only enjoyed between a married man and woman.
There were some stipulations under the temporary Constitution of the Mosaic Law with having a concubine ( secondary wife ) which insured that No woman would ever have to be alone and without the protective care of a husband in that society.

At Isaiah 55:8,9 it mentions God's thoughts, or God's thinking, is higher than ours.
For God's reasons He has chosen that the practice of fornication ( although enjoyable ) is Not acceptable in His eyes.

What may seem like a thorn today - Isaiah 55:13 - mankind will see a reversal of all the damage Satan and Adam brought upon us.
Earth will be restored to the paradisaic-like conditions that originally existed in Eden starting with Jesus' soon coming 1000-year rule over earth when people of all nations of earth will be happy and healthy enjoying life under God's standards of living.

I don't see any physical, literal sex in scripture. . Or literal marriage as the human perceives. Or literal adultery as the human perceives. God's standards of living are not an outward "how to" list.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Why do you think it is reasonable to just chalk it up to God being smarter than us? I feel like that is very easy for straight people to say, but wouldn't you demand an explanation if you were gay and were refused the right to a committed relationship with every person you were attracted to? Imagine the shoe was on the other foot. Would you be willing to "change teams" (enter into a homosexual relationship) if the only explanation was "God says so and he's smarter than you?"

You're Not alone in your ^above ^ thinking.
God's purpose for earth, or what God wants is explained: is for people to have offspring and fill the earth or populate the earth.
Often homosexual activity (fornication ) involves activity Not intended by our Creator. God did Not intend sexual activity to be with anyone other than husband and wife ( Male and female )
Some say it is wrong to be an alcoholic, but feel empathetic toward such persons. All the same time, by No means, would someone keep on encouraging the alcoholic to continue in that life style.
So, for the time being, people are to refrain from any un-biblical life style because Jesus' coming 1000-year rule over earth will undo all the imperfect leanings we have.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

I don't see any physical, literal sex in scripture. . Or literal marriage as the human perceives. Or literal adultery as the human perceives. God's standards of living are not an outward "how to" list.

Having offspring ( being fruitful ) is scriptural - Genesis 1:28, and scriptural marriage at Genesis 2:24
Didn't King David commit adultery with another man's wife ?

 

[leibowde84]

You're Not alone in your ^above ^ thinking.
God's purpose for earth, or what God wants is explained: is for people to have offspring and fill the earth or populate the earth.
Often homosexual activity (fornication ) involves activity Not intended by our Creator. God did Not intend sexual activity to be with anyone other than husband and wife ( Male and female )
Some say it is wrong to be an alcoholic, but feel empathetic toward such persons. All the same time, by No means, would someone keep on encouraging the alcoholic to continue in that life style.
So, for the time being, people are to refrain from any un-biblical life style because Jesus' coming 1000-year rule over earth will undo all the imperfect leanings we have.

I've heard this before, and it provides no explanation beyond "we have to take God's word for it". What about the many abandoned children who need qualified adoptive parents? There aren't nearly enough qualified heterosexual couples to take on that responsibility, so why would God want these children to grow up without loving parents when there are ready and willing homosexual couples eager to take it on. Marriage equality would help this substantial issue. I cannot imagine that God, who I do have faith in, would want to punish these children so.

 

[leibowde84]

Having offspring ( being fruitful ) is scriptural - Genesis 1:28, and scriptural marriage at Genesis 2:24
Didn't King David commit adultery with another man's wife ?

Again, I think we all know what the Bible says. The issue is we think that it is completely expect a logical explanation, less we avoid coming up with a better plan than the one written by imperfect men thousands of years ago. I want a reasoned argument for why YOU (not God) think that we should deny orphans loving homes with great parents who happen to be homosexuals without resorting to the "we have to just trust that God knows better than us" routine.

 

[Riverwolf]

In Scripture, sex is to be only enjoyed between a married man and woman.
There were some stipulations under the temporary Constitution of the Mosaic Law with having a concubine ( secondary wife ) which insured that No woman would ever have to be alone and without the protective care of a husband in that society.

At Isaiah 55:8,9 it mentions God's thoughts, or God's thinking, is higher than ours.
For God's reasons He has chosen that the practice of fornication ( although enjoyable ) is Not acceptable in His eyes.

What may seem like a thorn today - Isaiah 55:13 - mankind will see a reversal of all the damage Satan and Adam brought upon us.
Earth will be restored to the paradisaic-like conditions that originally existed in Eden starting with Jesus' soon coming 1000-year rule over earth when people of all nations of earth will be happy and healthy enjoying life under God's standards of living.

Well, to be frank, far as I can tell, those standards suck. These writers claim that this God is supposedly a "higher thinker" than ours, whatever that even means, but if he won't even entertain with us the reasons, then I have no reason to believe that it's true.

I'm not interested in the life that Adam and Eve were leading in Eden. It looks boring and condescending. The line between utopia and distopia... far as I'm concerned, there is no such line.

 

[pro4life]

In alot of the major religions being gay is a sin. Now , this makes zero sense to me , because first off there is no reason and second gays are born that way , so did God create them just so they can burn in hell ? I have heard the reason is that gay sex spreads Diseases , but so does heterosexual sex. So why do you punish people for the way they were born ?

Homosexuality is a choice.
HIV used to be called Homosexuality Immunodeficiency Virus

 

[pro4life]

My understanding is that religions try to establish a type of social order and in many cases, those religions establish order through family values. Sex is seen as a means for procreation rather than a lustful sport. So if one is having sex outside of marriage for purposes other than the creation of family, it is/was considered sinful. Sexual promiscuity causes all sorts of social problems so there were laws created for adultery too. Homosexuality was seen as 'dirty' and unnatural because it does not lead to procreation and was thus considered purely lustful.

In my religion, homosexuality was considered just as bad as heterosexuals having sex outside of marriage. I think this problem can be solved by allowing homosexuals to be married!

Your logical fallacy is slippery slope

 

[Madhuri]

Your logical fallacy is slippery slope

Explain?

 

[pro4life]

Explain?

In my religion, homosexuality was considered just as bad as heterosexuals having sex outside of marriage. I think this problem can be solved by allowing homosexuals to be married!

You equated homosexuality to sex outside marriage then you used the solution for the sex outside marriage to solve homosexuality.

 

[Madhuri]

You equated homosexuality to sex outside marriage then you used the solution for the sex outside marriage to solve homosexuality.

Not quite. I don't see any real difference between homosexuality and heterosexuality. The 'sin' is sex outside of marriage, or in other words, lustful sex. I'm saying, if this is what a religion has a problem with, don't deny homosexuals the right to marry. Is that a fallacy?

 

[McBell]

Your logical fallacy is slippery slope

Claiming a randomly selected fallacy is in play does not help your credibility.

 

[kepha31]

Homosexuality is a choice.
HIV used to be called Homosexuality Immunodeficiency Virus

Agreed. About 1% of homosexuals are actually born with genetic predispositions inclining to a sexual identity opposite to their physical characteristics. That is a very small number considering the entire homosexual population of the U.S. is between 1-2%, but locally higher is some cities like San Francisco. The "born that way" argument is based on rare exceptions and blown out of proportion to satisfy a guilty conscience. Sexuality is subject to a high degree of conditioning, with most homosexuals engaging in promiscuous acts in early adolescence, then becoming conditioned into an identity that is reinforced by the gay agenda and peer pressure of their own choosing. I've seen this happen in my own family.

There is nothing wrong with being "gay". Doing gay things are immoral. Same with a heterosexual who cheats on their spouse. It's destructive. There are personal and/or social consequences to violating moral laws.

While the Church does recognize homosexuality as disordered, this does not mean that the Church is uncompassionate to those who suffer from the disorder. The Catechism of the Catholic Church states: "Men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies . . . must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided."

Homosexuals of both sexes remain fourteen times more likely to attempt suicide than heterosexuals1 and 3½ times more likely to commit suicide successfully.2 Thirty years ago, this propensity toward suicide was attributed to social rejection, but the numbers have remained largely stable since then despite far greater public acceptance than existed in 1973. Study after study shows that male and female homosexuals have much higher rates of interpersonal maladjustment, depression, conduct disorder, childhood abuse (both sexual and violent), domestic violence, alcohol or drug abuse, anxiety, and dependency on psychiatric care than heterosexuals.3 Life expectancy of homosexual men was only forty-eight years before the AIDS virus came on the scene, and it is now down to thirty-eight.50Only 2 percent of homosexual men live past age sixty-five.4

Male homosexuals are prone to cancer (especially anal cancer, which is almost unheard-of in male heterosexuals) and various sexually transmitted diseases, including urethritis, laryngitis, prostatitis, hepatitis A and B, syphilis, gonorrhea, chlamydia, herpes, and genital warts (which are caused by the human papilloma virus, which also causes genital cancers).5 Lesbians are at lower risk for STDs but at high risk for breast cancer.6Homosexuals of both sexes have high rates of drug abuse, including cocaine, marijuana, LSD and other psychedelics, barbiturates, and amyl nitrate.7
Footnotes:​

1. 1. C. Bagley and P. Tremblay, "Suicidal Behaviors in Homosexual and Bisexual Males," Crisis 18 (1997): 24-34.
   2. R. A. Garofalo et al., "The Associations Between Health Risk Behaviors and Sexual Orientation Among a School-Based Sample of Adolescents," Pediatrics 101 (1998): 895-902.
   3. R. Herrell et al., Archives of General Psychiatry 56 (1999): 867-74; D. M. Fergusson, J. Horwood, A. L. Beautrais, "Is Sexual Orientation Related to Mental Health Problems and Suicidality in Young People?" Archives of General Psychiatry 56 (1999): 876-80; M. J. Bailey, "Homosexuality and Mental Illness," Archives of General Psychiatry 56 (1999): 883-4.
   4. P. Cameron and K. Cameron, "Homosexual Parents," Adolescence 31 (1996): 757-76.
   5. Ibid.
   6. Laura Dean et al., "Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender Health: Findings and Concerns," Journal of the Gay and Lesbian Medical Association 4, no. 3 (2000): 101-51.
   7. Ibid.
   8. Ibid.

 

[McBell]

*Pulls out rubber raft*
**Starts inflating rubber raft**

 

[Riverwolf]

Homosexuality is a choice.

No it isn't. A bisexual or pansexual might choose to engage in homosexual relationships over heterosexual ones, but that's the only context where choice is involved.

But all sexual orientations are from birth. I'm not sexually attracted to men at all. I'm actually quite repulsed by the idea of sex with another man. Hence, I was born heterosexual; it wasn't a choice. The reverse is true of homosexual men.

Or how do you consider asexuality?

HIV used to be called Homosexuality Immunodeficiency Virus

Either you've been lied to by whatever told you this, or it was renamed because the name was determined to be stupid. Homosexuality has nothing whatsoever with HIV.

 

[NewGuyOnTheBlock]

Agreed. About 1% of homosexuals are actually born with genetic predispositions inclining to a sexual identity opposite to their physical characteristics. That is a very small number considering the entire homosexual population of the U.S. is between 1-2%, but locally higher is some cities like San Francisco. The "born that way" argument is based on rare exceptions and blown out of proportion to satisfy a guilty conscience. Sexuality is subject to a high degree of conditioning, with most homosexuals engaging in promiscuous acts in early adolescence, then becoming conditioned into an identity that is reinforced by the gay agenda and peer pressure of their own choosing. I've seen this happen in my own family.

There is nothing wrong with being "gay". Doing gay things are immoral. Same with a heterosexual who cheats on their spouse. It's destructive. There are personal and/or social consequences to violating moral laws.

While the Church does recognize homosexuality as disordered, this does not mean that the Church is uncompassionate to those who suffer from the disorder. The Catechism of the Catholic Church states: "Men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies . . . must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided."

Homosexuals of both sexes remain fourteen times more likely to attempt suicide than heterosexuals1 and 3½ times more likely to commit suicide successfully.2 Thirty years ago, this propensity toward suicide was attributed to social rejection, but the numbers have remained largely stable since then despite far greater public acceptance than existed in 1973. Study after study shows that male and female homosexuals have much higher rates of interpersonal maladjustment, depression, conduct disorder, childhood abuse (both sexual and violent), domestic violence, alcohol or drug abuse, anxiety, and dependency on psychiatric care than heterosexuals.3 Life expectancy of homosexual men was only forty-eight years before the AIDS virus came on the scene, and it is now down to thirty-eight.50Only 2 percent of homosexual men live past age sixty-five.4

Male homosexuals are prone to cancer (especially anal cancer, which is almost unheard-of in male heterosexuals) and various sexually transmitted diseases, including urethritis, laryngitis, prostatitis, hepatitis A and B, syphilis, gonorrhea, chlamydia, herpes, and genital warts (which are caused by the human papilloma virus, which also causes genital cancers).5 Lesbians are at lower risk for STDs but at high risk for breast cancer.6Homosexuals of both sexes have high rates of drug abuse, including cocaine, marijuana, LSD and other psychedelics, barbiturates, and amyl nitrate.7
Footnotes:​

1. 1. C. Bagley and P. Tremblay, "Suicidal Behaviors in Homosexual and Bisexual Males," Crisis 18 (1997): 24-34.
   2. R. A. Garofalo et al., "The Associations Between Health Risk Behaviors and Sexual Orientation Among a School-Based Sample of Adolescents," Pediatrics 101 (1998): 895-902.
   3. R. Herrell et al., Archives of General Psychiatry 56 (1999): 867-74; D. M. Fergusson, J. Horwood, A. L. Beautrais, "Is Sexual Orientation Related to Mental Health Problems and Suicidality in Young People?" Archives of General Psychiatry 56 (1999): 876-80; M. J. Bailey, "Homosexuality and Mental Illness," Archives of General Psychiatry 56 (1999): 883-4.
   4. P. Cameron and K. Cameron, "Homosexual Parents," Adolescence 31 (1996): 757-76.
   5. Ibid.
   6. Laura Dean et al., "Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender Health: Findings and Concerns," Journal of the Gay and Lesbian Medical Association 4, no. 3 (2000): 101-51.
   7. Ibid.
   8. Ibid.

If you actually believe that there is a "gay agenda"; some deeply held secret shared by worldwide gays into some outlandish, ridiculous, impossible conspiracy theory to do whatever it is you think they are supposed to do ... I mean, like, whow. I'm speechless. Strange, I'm gay and no one's ever laid out for me our "agenda" ... except, of course, the Christian fundamentalists.

 

[NewGuyOnTheBlock]

Homosexuality is a choice.
HIV used to be called Homosexuality Immunodeficiency Virus

See below.