Why is evolution even still a debate?

[lukethethird]

Why is evolution even still a debate?
Religion.

 

[We Never Know]

It will remain a debate until anyone ever show a gradual change in species caused by survival of the fittest without regard to consciousness ort experiment.

If you weighed the evidence, that is evidence for evolution and evidence for a god(creation),,, which has the most testable, see-able, verifiable evidence?

 

[cladking]

It's not a debate among biologists.

This is not strictly true;

Gradualism vs. Punctuated Equilibrium

I believe all these "theories" are actually merely hypotheses and they are each more wrong than right. Until experiment shows something it is an hypothesis.

 

[cladking]

If you weighed the evidence, that is evidence for evolution and evidence for a god(creation),,, which has the most testable, see-able, verifiable evidence?

It is not "either/ or".

And as far as that goes religion is probably closer to being correct about change in species.

 

[Wildswanderer]

You say things change. I agree. We see life has evolved in many ways.
How has man changed since he was created?

IMO we have gotten weaker.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Not really... if you look at the fossil records and especially DNA evidence it's all spelled out fairly clearly. People who think it's still debatable simply refuse to study and comprehend the evidence.

I have studied enough to see the "evidence" is very sketchy.

 

[Wildswanderer]

And yet all the evidence points to chemistry. And none points to gods.

I disagree.

 

[We Never Know]

IMO we have gotten weaker.

Weaker physically but stronger mentally.

 

[Audie]

So you can see why it's still a debate.

Single cell organism that can clump into
a multicell organism are one step in the process.
If such things existed would that help?

 

[We Never Know]

It is not "either/ or".

And as far as that goes religion is probably closer to being correct about change in species.

And how does religion explain change in species?

 

[ppp]

I disagree.

I know. But the fact of the matter is that you don't even have a way to demonstrate that evidence can point to a god.

 

[Wildswanderer]

I know. But the fact of the matter is that you don't even have a way to demonstrate that evidence can point to a god.

I see evidence for God in nature every day.

 

[Polymath257]

Depends what you mean by evolution.
No one has shown that we evolved from a single celled organism.

It is certainly proved by a 'preponderance of the evidence' and probably to 'beyond reasonable doubt'.

Since nothing in science is proven to mathematical precision, that would be silly to ask for.

Not to mention that evolution from single celled precursors is not the same as evolution in general.

 

[ppp]

I see evidence for God in nature every day.

I didn't say anything about what you think you see. What I said was:

I know. But the fact of the matter is that you don't even have a way to demonstrate that evidence can point to a god.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Evidence from biology, paleontology, geology, archaeology, zoology, cosmology(if you want to talk about the universe too), etc has an over abundance of evidence.

The other side has the bible and stories of the past.

I'm not saying any god(s) do or do not exit. Heck maybe they do and one created life as a science experiment to see how it would turn out.

The whole evolution vs creation argument breeds hate and distrust world wide

That's my thoughts anyways.

Why is it still a debate? Because those who are committed to the idea of a creator God can't let go, and will refuse -- up to the point of death -- to admit that science has anything to say.

Or, maybe just because some people are dumb.

Or maybe I said the same thing, twice.

 

[cataway]

Evidence from biology, paleontology, geology, archaeology, zoology, cosmology(if you want to talk about the universe too), etc has an over abundance of evidence.

The other side has the bible and stories of the past.

I'm not saying any god(s) do or do not exit. Heck maybe they do and one created life as a science experiment to see how it would turn out.

The whole evolution vs creation argument breeds hate and distrust world wide

That's my thoughts anyways.

its really very simple . it cant be duplicated in the laboratory

 

[Polymath257]

Evidence of what? That things change? Sure any creationist would agree. Evidence that we evolved from another critter? Very debatable. Evidence that everything started with a single celled organism? Again, very debatable.

Hardly debatable at all from the evidence. A million years ago, there were no humans. Now there are. But a million years ago there were creatures that had some human characteristics.

That, with the fact that everything alive today is descended from something alive 1 million ago is plenty of evidence.

Similarly, ALL life was single celled 3 billion years ago. Now, there are multicelled creatures (like us). All things alive now are descended from things alive then (unless you believe in spontaneous generation of multicellular life). So, we are descended from single celled precursors.

 

[We Never Know]

Why is it still a debate? Because those who are committed to the idea of a creator God can't let go, and will refuse -- up to the point of death -- to admit that science has anything to say.

Or, maybe just because some people are dumb.

Or maybe I said the same thing, twice.

I don't see them as dumb. I see them as full of hope from what they believe thinking there is more to come.

In actuality abiogenisis and the bible say life came from dirt.

 

[Polymath257]

its really very simple . it cant be duplicated in the laboratory

Neither can the stages of development of stars. But nobody seems to be concerned about that.

We can't duplicate earthquakes in a lab. But we can still study them and understand what produces them.

Requiring that processes that cannot fit into a lab be duplicated in a lab is unreasonable. But we can still understand such processes and have confidence in our understanding.

 

[Polymath257]

I see evidence for God in nature every day.

Irrelevant to the question of evolution.