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Why is homosexuality wrong?

Etritonakin

Well-Known Member
From a biblical perspective....
The underlying issue with all sin (sin is the transgression of the law) is one of maintaining order throughout eternity. Persons must act according to laws which benefit all -and which do not destroy that which has been and will be created.

Though the principles behind all of the commandments will always apply, it is interesting to note that some of what is considered sin now will not be an issue later due to a change in situation -a change in the creation.

If we did not have gender -did not procreate as we do now -which will be the case when made immortal -things such as marriage, adultery, fornication, etc., would not even exist as issues -though the principles of appropriateness and faithfulness will always be important issues.

From Adam and Eve (not commenting on anything which may have preceded them on Earth) God made distinct males and females who were to multiply and produce many children who were to eventually become gods -to eventually be given "glorious" bodies with extreme creative power and allowed to create throughout/inhabit the universe. Our human state is a temporary initial state in that process

God did not intend for the world to be as it is now -though he did intend to allow it for experience if necessary -and it could have been much better if humans continued under his government -which included his ability to maintain the creation. It is likely that he knew they would not do so -and he gave humans over to their own choices, and whatever might happen to the creation.

Giving humans over to their choices and happenstance included corruption of humans themselves (health/developmental issues, etc.) -including issues with distinct genders.

The law is intended for two distinct genders -and any gray area concerning application of the law would be due to some type of actual intersexuality (which may possibly include not-so-apparent issues just as the more apparent issues with genitalia -though such are often assumed without proof) -which is not the same as a distinct male or female desiring to have sex with someone of the same sex -which absolutely does not require that one be "born that way".

The main reason for requiring a monogamous, committed male/female relationship is that it is the ideal situation in which to raise children.
That is not to say children cannot be raised successfully otherwise -though they would not have the benefit of a male and female who are actually their parents, but there is also the matter of their future after this life -and considering the law of God is definitely important for that.

The bottom line is that God needs to know that his law -however it may apply throughout eternity -will be considered and adhered to by individuals.
Allowing millions or billions to become immortal who act in a lawless manner would produce eternal conflict and misery.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
I don't think I have much of a problem with anyone else's sexuality. I guess I used to decades ago.

Depends on what all is considered sexuality. I thing sexual assault, adultery, or any other 'sexual' action that causes pain in another human being is creating karma for the perpetrating individual.
 

leibowde84

Veteran Member
For those of you who believe that homosexuality is sinful/wrong, why do you believe so? What is sinful/wrong about it, and why?

Relatedly, some people, even those who do not have a problem with homosexuality (whether they identify as homosexual or not), do have something of a problem with bisexuality/pansexuality. If you do, why?

I appreciate that this is for many people an emotionally-charged topic. This is a debate forum, so all those participating in this thread or reading it should be prepared to be challenged and for a suitably robust exchange of views. But do please keep in mind that many of us identify as homosexual and it is a fundamental part of our identity. Some of us may also have been abused, persecuted and/or had some other kind of traumatic experience by virtue of our sexual orientation/sexuality. And by the same token, insofar as sexuality is central to many/most (all?) religions, and for many of us our religion is a fundamental part of our identity, please try to keep that in mind also. Many thanks.

I am pansexual.
As long as consenting adults are the only ones involved (no victimization of any kind), then whatever floats your boat. Anything beyond that is nobody else's business.
 

leibowde84

Veteran Member
In Russia they say its an addiction, I personally think its a mental problem. The real question is what is wrong with those people who practice homosexuality?

One thing leads to another. What's the next thing they gonna fight for? Will every movie in America have to have at list one homo? And after that your grandchildren will be watching homosexual cartoons! And then what?
There doesn't have to be at least 1 woman in every movie by law or anything. It's all what sells. It's up to the public what they want. So, what are you so afraid of. It sounds like you are trying to argue that it's immoral. If so, why?
 

Skwim

Veteran Member
It isn't, and I doubt the Creator cares all that much over what we do sexually, as long as it isn't hurting anyone.
Well, he did get pretty upset with homosexual sex.

(KJ version)
Leviticus 18:22 - Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it [is] abomination.

Leviticus 20:13 - If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood [shall be] upon them.

1 Corinthians 6:9-11 - Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

Romans 1:26-28 - For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

Romans 1:27 - And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.


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Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
Well, he did get pretty upset with homosexual sex.

(KJ version)
Leviticus 18:22 - Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it [is] abomination.

Leviticus 20:13 - If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood [shall be] upon them.

1 Corinthians 6:9-11 - Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

Romans 1:26-28 - For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

Romans 1:27 - And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.


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http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_bibl.htm
 

The_Fisher_King

Trying to bring myself ever closer to Allah
Premium Member
the only thing I feel is unnatural (sin isn't the appropriate word) is doing specific actions against the way the body is made to perform

Can you give some examples of such 'specific actions'? And 'the way the body is made to perform' by whom?

As for pansexuality, I looked it up. I don't know the difference between that and bisexuality other than many bisexuals have preferences and I assume pansexuals do not?

There aren't just two sexes (or genders).
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
For those of you who believe that homosexuality is sinful/wrong, why do you believe so? What is sinful/wrong about it, and why?

Gay men, the lucky ********, typically have more sex partners during their lives than heterosexual men like me. If any one says that that by itself --- and without anything else added to it ---- is not reason enough to demand their public execution by being caged with, and then torn apart by, hungry weasels, well then, I just don't know what this country is coming to!
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
Homosexual acts are 'unnatural' and "obscene" according to the Bible. (Romans 1:26,27) Why? Homosexual and Lesbian acts were never intended by our Creator. They cannot produce offspring and God views these acts as detestable. ( Leviticus 18:22) Since Jehovah created mankind, I believe he has the right to make these decisions. As imperfect humans, we may have wrong desires, but God expects us to control our thinking, so as not to sin.

I've got to sincerely thank you. Rusra, for so consistently being down through the years such a reliable source of amusement!
 

The_Fisher_King

Trying to bring myself ever closer to Allah
Premium Member

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
I think the most ideal position is simply not worrying about the sexual orientation of anybody else. Even if you personally dislike it or believe this or that God detests it.

Unless you are interested in a specific person - don't concern yourself with their sexual life, hobbies, eating habits, etc. Minding your business should be seen as more of a virtue than it typically is.

Sees, that's brilliant! I totally agree.
 

The_Fisher_King

Trying to bring myself ever closer to Allah
Premium Member
The underlying issue with all sin (sin is the transgression of the law) is one of maintaining order throughout eternity. Persons must act according to laws which benefit all -and which do not destroy that which has been and will be created.

So how does homosexuality represent a threat to this order? In what way is heterosexuality of benefit to all (in a way that homosexuality is not)? And how does homosexuality - or a law permitting homosexuality - destroy 'that which has been and will be created'?

The law is intended for two distinct genders -and any gray area concerning application of the law would be due to some type of actual intersexuality (which may possibly include not-so-apparent issues just as the more apparent issues with genitalia -though such are often assumed without proof)

So how should 'the law' be applied to those of us who are intersex?

The main reason for requiring a monogamous, committed male/female relationship is that it is the ideal situation in which to raise children.

On what basis do you make this claim?

That is not to say children cannot be raised successfully otherwise -though they would not have the benefit of a male and female who are actually their parents

Why is it so important for children to be raised by 'a male and female who are actually their parents' (and how do you define parents here?)?
 
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