Why is homosexuality wrong?

[rusra02]

It sounds like you are arguing against religion here.

False religion, yes.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

This is better:

Gotta get me some good ol' fashioned sun-dried romance.

 

[rusra02]

So basically it is OK for married heterosexuals to have regular sex, but gays must remain celibate whether they are married or not. Can you see what a ridiculous and untenable position this is?

I believe it is God's standards that should be followed. This precludes homosexual acts. I do not believe one is "gay" or "straight". And we need not be slaves to fleshly impulses,IMO. I understand others disagree. So be it.

 

[McBell]

I believe it is God's standards that should be followed. This precludes homosexual acts. I do not believe one is "gay" or "straight". And we need not be slaves to fleshly impulses,IMO. I understand others disagree. So be it.

I believe you should really specify not only which "god", but also your understanding of said gods "standards".

 

[rusra02]

And love is the first and foremost important thing. Jesus really wasn't too concerned with everyone's shortcomings. But again and again and again he tough not to judge and love thy neighbor. You basically have what Jesus said, and the rest of the Bible, and they read like completely different things.
It's actually not the idea of a god I have a problem with, it's that I just do not buy into all this hell-fire and damnation. There are human parents willing to give their flesh-and-blood chance after chance, always being there for them, always helping them, which is far more "loving and merciful" than this one chance, do it right or suffer forever that gets talked about a lot by people who are also the same ones who are condemning homosexuals. And then you have the ones who are talking more about what Jesus actually had to say, rather than everything else, and they are the ones who are taking people in rather than condemning them and casting them out, including the LBGT community. They realize it's literally no different than condemning someone for being black, and indeed people in the past--and even still in modern times--used the Bible as a means to justify their racism. But such a thing today is unthinkable to everyone except those who adhere to such beliefs, and we tend to call those people "bigots."

Yes, I agree that false religion has misrepresented the teachings of Jesus Christ to excuse all manner of evil. For example, Jesus never taught that the wicked burn in hellfire forever. And Jesus showed mercy and kindness to repentant sinners. He even said: "I have come to call, not righteous people, but sinners to repentance." (Luke 5:32) However, he never watered down God's requirements, nor taught that it is OK to sin. And I believe he clearly taught there will be a day of reckoning for the wicked.(Matthew 25:41,46)

 

[rusra02]

I believe you should really specify not only which "god", but also your understanding of said gods "standards".

I believe the only true God is Jehovah, and the Bible is his communication to us, and contains his laws and standards.

 

[McBell]

I believe the only true God is Jehovah,

Fair enough.

and the Bible is his communication to us, and contains his laws and standards.

Gonna have to do better than that.

Especially given all the different denominations that are all based on "The Bible".

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

How about this. I had a room mate once...tried to help him out...seemed like a good guy. I had fallen asleep one night on the couch, and woke up with my little birdie in his mouth. I wasn't happy. I should have beat the crap out of the guy. Instead, I kicked him out of the house. My first encounter with a homosexual turned out to be a sick freak. So I think they are all sick freaks.

I vow never to have sex. I've been abused (not sexually) by my father and various other male peers throughout the years. While I've never been sexually assaulted, I've been sexually harassed -- by the same people I mentioned previously. That being said, while I am rather phobic about sex and being around domineering men, I understand the entire male population on the planet is not responsible. I encourage you to get help for this.

To try to make the world a better place for me.

Maybe just do a background check or something on future roommates? If a woman had done this to you (basically rape), would that have been more tolerable?

I do not believe I have said anything that is bigoted. I believe I have spoken truth.

You are ticked off at a rapist and blame an entire population for it (might as well go whole hog and blame all men, while you're at it). Yes, that is bigotry, as it is irrational and unjustified generalization.

How many people do you believe hope that their children turn out to be gay?

Compared to a Trump fan? I'll be praying for a rainbow when the kid is born.

I mean, it's not like I'm like Trump and my child is in my sexual radar ... why should I CARE who my child has sex with (assuming it's with a consenting adult human)?

Yes, I agree that false religion has misrepresented the teachings of Jesus Christ to excuse all manner of evil.

Yes, God forbid God have any kind of grace or forgiveness or understanding. He ought to be petty and irrational, just like many people.

 

[rusra02]

So, it isn't so much that homosexuals have sex, but that they have sex outside of marriage, just like 33% of the heterosexuals do today. In as much as homosexuals make up 1.6% to 3.4% of the population (depending on which figures you use) this is far, far less than the number of heterosexuals. Too bad such fornicating heterosexuals can't be readily identified so we can discriminate against them, eh? In any case, now that homosexuals can get married, even in a church* "under the eyes of god," I assume their homosexual sex is okey dokey.

RIGHT?

If it isn't right then it's fair to assume your objection isn't a Christian one, but merely a "My particular belief" one.


* The Episcopalian church, the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, and the Presbyterian Church, to name three.

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Of course you know that is not what the Bible says. The Bible affirms marriage is between a man and a woman. Those professed "Christian" churches who disregard what the Bible says about immorality of whatever kind, are misrepresenting the Christ they claim to follow, IMO. Jesus himself said that many who claimed to be his disciples were, in fact, "workers of lawlessness." (Matthew 7:21-23)

 

[McBell]

Of course you know that is not what the Bible says. The Bible affirms marriage is between a man and a woman.

 

[Father Heathen]

You may be an animal. I am not. You may have been created in the image of an ape. I was made in the image of God.

So have you cut your nipples and opposable thumbs off, yet?
Sorry, but biology is what it is, son.

 

[Father Heathen]

Bonobos?

Bonobos.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

You may be an animal. I am not. You may have been created in the image of an ape. I was made in the image of God.

Evolved from a common ancestor shared with modern primates: offensive.

Made from dirt: that's respectable.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

So if you're going to define something as unnatural you're going to have to give the specific definition of unnatural you're using. Otherwise others will call you out for what they see as an incorrect usage.

I honestly don't know another example and way to describe it other than above. Like your cancer example, I have Epilepsy (seizure disorder). Seizures are perfectly nature. When the neurons go off spontaneously, eventually it gets back on it's course. However, it causes unhealthy affects for the brain if one has a seizure too long (from unconsciousness, stroke, or death) or two little but for many many years (eventually deforming the brain-as per my case but I had the big ones too so it was a double wammy). That's what I consider unnatural or maybe unhealthy? not because the neurons go off track but because the body "isn't supposed" to do that.

Likewise with cancer. We develop cancer (if I'm getting my medical info correct) when what is it, the our blood cells or white blood cells stop splitting as usual. It causes ill affects after awhile. It doesn't go on track, unfortunately; and, I'd say it's unnatural for the body because of it's affects that the body (like seizures) are not set or created to make. If that be the case, everyone would have seizures and cancer.

I can't compare to much with male/male actions because it doesn't cause ill affects like cancer and seizures do. Unlike cancer and seizures that may develop without cause or with ill cause say get hit in the head (eventually causes seizures) cant think of a cancer example, male/male actions don't have those motivations (unless someone is getting abused or rapped.)

But its like cancer and seizures that are not made for the body to just automatic do, or else everyone would develop cancer and seizures, likewise with specific actions between two males. It has nothing to do with why (or the cause of the cancer/seizures) nor what's the meaning (love or lust or is it leukemia/is it psychomoto or gram mal seizures), it's just that action, however short or long lived, is not where and how the body is made to perform (like seizures aren't made for the brain to make the healthy neurons go haywire).

Doctors judge seizures and say what's unhealthy (not normal) and what's not all the time. In male/male actions I only see the religious do that. It does't bother me in that way at all. My other example with the toys at Toys R Us-I feel the same way.

Not singling males here and it has nothing to do with homosexuality, just the action.

Oh and as for Bonobos they are completely bisexual and use sex to sort out conflicts. So they are literal nature engaging in male/male intercourse on the daily.

Weird. Well, regardless of why and what for, my point still applies above. However, I learned something new.

 

[Katzpur]

I live in Utah and the mormons here do not like Bisexuals since we both like male and female. mormons are weird people.

I live in Utah and am a Mormon. I have nothing at all against bisexuals. As a matter of fact, I march every year with "Mormons Building Bridges" in Utah's Pride Parade. I don't believe it's right to stereotype people according to race, religion, sexual orientation or anything else. I'm sorry you have concluded that I'm weird, but maybe that just means that you are just as bigoted in your own way as the people you condemn.

 

[Skwim]

I thought someone might bring this up but i wasn't sure. Your point is also correct but in no way invalidates my original point...

The point I was responding to was "Therefore, each human is free to do as he/she wishes," which is incorrect. People wouldn't get to do as they wish because of the explanation I gave.

The laws and rules of any particular time simply rely on which human(s) have the most power available to them.

So what? Your point was "each human is free to do as he/she wishes," which wouldn't be possible under these circumstances.

It is this way on a large scale and a small personal scale. If 80% of people think homosexuality is acceptable then what can the other 20% do about it?

What would they like to do about it? Accept it or go against it? But this is true whether the laws are created by man or your god. There are always going to be those who don't agree. No difference.


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[The Emperor of Mankind]

Anyone who demands that LGBTs should live a life of forced celibacy and refrain from all sexual contact with those they love or are attracted to should do it first. Otherwise they're pissing in the wind.

 

[mojtaba]

I see. So will you advocate punishments for old & sterile people who dare to indulge in sex even though they cannot reproduce?

I didn't say the only reason, I said the most important reason... .

So, those old people who indulge in sex, are doing a rational manner, which is sexual intercourse between men and women, for other reasons, rather than reproducing. They did it when they were young, for maintaining generation and also other reasons. Then, they are continuing that doing in old ages because of its other reasons.

If you think about the nature of the body of men and women, you can understand that men are for women and vise versa.

 

[Skwim]

Of course you know that is not what the Bible says. The Bible affirms marriage is between a man and a woman. Those professed "Christian" churches who disregard what the Bible says about immorality of whatever kind, are misrepresenting the Christ they claim to follow, IMO. Jesus himself said that many who claimed to be his disciples were, in fact, "workers of lawlessness." (Matthew 7:21-23)

But despite your desire to paint Christians as in agreement as to how the Bible should be read and interpreted---your way being the only way---they aren't. Which is my point, you can't speak for all of Christianity as being in agreement with your beliefs. The best you can do is as you've done here, qualify your remarks with "IMO" or an equivalent.


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[The Emperor of Mankind]

I didn't say the only reason, I said the most important reason... .

So, those old people who indulge in sex, are doing a rational manner, which is sexual intercourse between men and women, for other reasons, rather than reproducing. They did it when they were young, for maintaining generation and also other reasons. Then, they are continuing that doing in old ages because of its other reasons.

If you think about the nature of the body of men and women, you can understand that men are for women and vise versa.

Well since reproduction is the most important reason could you answer the question I asked as it's still pertinent?

What are these other reasons? Could you elaborate?