Why is Islam, Christianity etc homophobic?

[tumbleweed41]

Direct quotes from Bible and/or Quran against homosexuality? - Yahoo! Answers

I confirmed all of these and more.

I am sure you did.

As I asked before, do you expect all followers to be dogmatic literalists?

 

[fallingblood]

Direct quotes from Bible and/or Quran against homosexuality? - Yahoo! Answers

I confirmed all of these and more.

Because Yahoo answers really is all the credible?

Here are three essays I wrote on the topic. If you want, I can provide a longer essay on the topic which also cites all of the sources used. Or I can provide a plethora of sources that disagree with your stance.

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/general-religious-debates/120118-homosexuality-bible.html

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/general-religious-debates/121692-homosexuality-bible-part-2-a.html

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/general-religious-debates/121912-homosexuality-bible-part-2-nt.html


And again, that ignores the fact that there are millions of Christians and Muslims who are supporting and accepting of the GLBTQ community, and are devoutly religious as well. Not to mention, there are many many people in the GLBTQ community who are also either Christians or Muslims. Not to mention the various religious leaders who are gay or lesbian.

That also ignores the fact that many religious individuals do not blindly follow everything in their scriptures, or even accept all of the scriptures for that religion. It also ignores the fact that the religions you are speaking about are extremely diverse, and that there is no standard set of ideas with either. So again, your question is faulty as it is based on a misconception.

 

[Ashir]

I don't have such a large library of vocabulary as you do, perhaps you could rephrase that?

 

[Ashir]

Because Yahoo answers really is all the credible?

Here are three essays I wrote on the topic. If you want, I can provide a longer essay on the topic which also cites all of the sources used. Or I can provide a plethora of sources that disagree with your stance.

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/general-religious-debates/120118-homosexuality-bible.html

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/general-religious-debates/121692-homosexuality-bible-part-2-a.html

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/general-religious-debates/121912-homosexuality-bible-part-2-nt.html


And again, that ignores the fact that there are millions of Christians and Muslims who are supporting and accepting of the GLBTQ community, and are devoutly religious as well. Not to mention, there are many many people in the GLBTQ community who are also either Christians or Muslims. Not to mention the various religious leaders who are gay or lesbian.

That also ignores the fact that many religious individuals do not blindly follow everything in their scriptures, or even accept all of the scriptures for that religion. It also ignores the fact that the religions you are speaking about are extremely diverse, and that there is no standard set of ideas with either. So again, your question is faulty as it is based on a misconception.

When you confirm them, yes.

I did not object to that reality. I asked why Islam and Christianity are homophobic, not why Muslims and Christians are.

 

[fallingblood]

When you confirm them, yes.

I did not object to that reality. I asked why Islam and Christianity are homophobic, not why Muslims and Christians are.

But your question is highly flawed. Islam and Christianity, by definition, can't be homophobic. They are inanimate objects. They don't have feelings. They don't have biases. They don't have hatred. They are inanimate, and don't possess human fears, or discrimination.

We can only define the religions by their adherents, so we have to look at Muslims and Christians. Since there is no standard stance on this subject, we can't say either religion even supports such hatred.

 

[Ashir]

True, sorry. Would the 'Bible and Koran' be valid?

 

[s2a]

Title

Um... because ignorant people fear things that are beyond their common reference or understanding?

Just a wild guess...

 

[Ashir]

i know that but I want to hear what the theists have to say about it

 

[fallingblood]

True, sorry. Would the 'Bible and Koran' be valid?

Again, in animate objects. They can't be homophobic, as they are books.

And even with the Bible, the anti-homosexual passages are largely misunderstood or simply misconstrued.

The better question would be why are people homophobic. s2a answered that wonderfully. And in fact, that is true for everyone. You can find homophobic people even among atheists.

 

[Ashir]

Well, what ever way you put it, if the religion were a man, he'd be homophobic.

 

[capoutrun]

Good lord, everyone understands the question. Just bloody well answer it rather then saying not all such and such are homophobic and not all such and such believe this and that. The bible and Koran have specific passages that are homophobic and you can harp on and on about how some Christians are very LGTB friendly and blah blah blah but it's just because they are good people in spite of what their book says.

The real question is how do you pick and choose what you believe in the bible? what is the vetting process?

If you claim to get your morals from the bible, that it makes you a better person and that it is the path to salvation, how can you ignore the bits you don't agree with?

As for an earlier point about there being Atheist Homophobes. That's 100% certain but they don't use a rubbish excuse like I have a really old book that says it's wrong as a cover for the simple it's icky.

 

[s2a]

The better question would be why are people homophobic. s2a answered that wonderfully. And in fact, that is true for everyone. You can find homophobic people even among atheists.

As I often now observe, not all religious/social "conservatives" are racists and homophobes... but the odds are good that if you are such a "conservative", you're more likely to be a racist and homophobe than an equal and comparable number of "liberals"... just saying.

And, just for the record...(albeit purely anecdotal testimony), I've yet to encounter any other atheist that is either a homophobe or a racist...

After many years now of marriage equality being recognized in other nations, and a few select states here doing just the same... I've yet to feel less straight, or less inclined to remain married to my wife of 23 years... in the face of all the foreboding predictions to the contrary...

And that very fact, I believe, is what terrifies bigots and homophobes more that anything else.

What terror or apocalypse will happen when marriage equality and equality of human rights for all people becomes law?

Um, nuthin'.

Not a thing.

When that "nothing" doesn't come to pass, it will mean that no objections remain but fear, distaste, and ignorance as the root of all the noise and dissonance in the first place. And let's face it, that's a pretty scary thing to confront...

..being petty, stupid, and wrong.

 

[tumbleweed41]

As for an earlier point about there being Atheist Homophobes. That's 100% certain but they don't use a rubbish excuse like I have a really old book that says it's wrong as a cover for the simple it's icky.

Not sure which is worse.
Those who use religious dogma to excuse homophobia, or those who have no such excuse.

 

[Ashir]

The atheists that are homophobic often have scientific reasons to it, such as that human anatomy is built for males to mate with females and not themselves. This of course shows they haven't thought about it really well

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Not sure which is worse.
Those who use religious dogma to excuse homophobia, or those who have no such excuse.

It's difficult to say, really. On the one hand, I would argue that the vast majority of non-religious people's only sincere objections to homosexuality are based on nothing more than the aforementioned "ick factor". Then again, I would also argue that the vast majority of religious homphobia is based on the same thing - they just choose to elaborate on it a little more. I think finding homsexuality wrong or indecent for reasons of disgust is a little (though not much) better than believing homosexuals or homosexuality is inherently evil or morally wrong. In many cases, one can be overcome by mere understanding and exposure, while the other is much, much more difficult to educate.

 

[tumbleweed41]

It's difficult to say, really. On the one hand, I would argue that the vast majority of non-religious people's only sincere objections to homosexuality are based on nothing more than the aforementioned "ick factor". Then again, I would also argue that the vast majority of religious homphobia is based on the same thing - they just choose to elaborate on it a little more. I think finding homsexuality wrong or indecent for reasons of disgust is a little (though not much) better than believing homosexuals or homosexuality is inherently evil or morally wrong. In many cases, one can be overcome by mere understanding and exposure, while the other is much, much more difficult to educate.

Well said.

 

[no-body]

Because they think the pinnacle of morality is the culture of a bunch of thousand years old goat shepherds.

 

[sojourner]

The religions themselves, according to their respect texts, are homophobic.
I replied to the message, yes, but not the argument.

They are???

You'll have to point out, if you please, one definitively homophobic text in the bible.

Can't do it, 'cause it ain't there.

 

[sojourner]

Direct quotes from Bible and/or Quran against homosexuality? - Yahoo! Answers

I confirmed all of these and more.

As if any of those are homophobic in nature.

 

[sojourner]

The bible and Koran have specific passages that are homophobic and you can harp on and on about how some Christians are very LGTB friendly and blah blah blah but it's just because they are good people in spite of what their ridiculous book says.

No, the bible doesn't contain such passages, and 'Blood has adequately shown why. Willful density is as inexcusable as willful homophobia.