Why is Islam so dangerous?

[Notanumber]

I do not think we will gain any more from this discussion. Because we are too far apart from each other in understanding and view of Islam as a religion. But that's ok.

Evidence does tend to be stronger than mere opinions.

 

[Notanumber]

That is a bomb. Do you realize what you just said?
Muslims rely heavily on Scholars and Imams to interpret the Quran and Hadith. For the most part, they don't interpret the scriptures on their own. If the Imams are not reliable then they have a huge problem and that is a big reason why Islam is a dangerous religion. Many of their religious leaders are violent, intolerant and separatists.

Then how do you explain this:

Top Ten Quran Verses for Understanding ISIS (the Islamic State)

That's the Quran itself, how would you interpret those verses? I know many people consider David Wood an Islamophobe but can you challenge him and his facts?

Has anyone ever challenged David Wood and been successful when doing so?

 

[Spirit of Light]

Evidence does tend to be stronger than mere opinions.

1.8 Billion nonviolent Muslims should be evidence in itself don't you think? there only a few who get radical and do evil deeds. so you take the few and condemn the rest?

 

[Notanumber]

1.8 Billion nonviolent Muslims should be evidence in itself don't you think? there only a few who get radical and do evil deeds. so you take the few and condemn the rest?

I am condemning the Islamic ideology as I would condemn any other ideology that preaches haltered of others.

 

[Spirit of Light]

I am condemning the Islamic ideology as I would condemn any other ideology that preaches haltered of others.

That I understand, But when you say Islam is an evil path (technically this is what you say) it looks like you do not see those who do not follow the killing or aversion for nonmuslims, but live a very righteous way in life. The ideology is a man-made structure to gain an advantage over others. but that is not what spiritual life is about. Do some Muslims use this to gain power, yes they do. But that does not make the Islamic teaching wrong, it only makes Man wrong.

You can have teaching that says one thing, but if a man sees that it does not look right, they are free to leave that part out. They do not have to kill or rape or do any of that evil thing. So again it is Man who does wrong. But is the Muslims who do evil deeds, yes there is.

 

[Notanumber]

That I understand, But when you say Islam is an evil path (technically this is what you say) it looks like you do not see those who do not follow the killing or aversion for nonmuslims, but live a very righteous way in life. The ideology is a man-made structure to gain an advantage over others. but that is not what spiritual life is about. Do some Muslims use this to gain power, yes they do. But that does not make the Islamic teaching wrong, it only makes Man wrong.

You can have teaching that says one thing, but if a man sees that it does not look right, they are free to leave that part out. They do not have to kill or rape or do any of that evil thing. So again it is Man who does wrong. But is the Muslims who do evil deeds, yes there is.

I am not concerned about moderate Muslims, but I am concerned about all those that would like to leave the Islamic ideology in which they find themselves entrapped.

 

[Spirit of Light]

I am not concerned about moderate Muslims, but I am concerned about all those that would like to leave the Islamic ideology in which they find themselves entrapped.

That we can agree on, those who go to the extreme has not my support either, Those people have destroyed the Islamic belief because they, them self do not understand the teaching. They take the extreme ideology and push onto others. and that is not what religion is about. Religion is about spiritual awakening from within. Not something that can be forced upon others.

 

[Notanumber]

That we can agree on, those who go to the extreme has not my support either, Those people have destroyed the Islamic belief because they, them self do not understand the teaching. They take the extreme ideology and push onto others. and that is not what religion is about. Religion is about spiritual awakening from within. Not something that can be forced upon others.

Should Muslims be punished for leaving the ideology?

 

[Spirit of Light]

Should Muslims be punished for leaving the ideology?

No, if they do leave the Islamic belief they should not be punished. But what will happen is that Allah does not then give them help in life as Allah would do if they were true Muslims (nonviolent) Ifthey choose to go to an other spiritual path they will then (when they become true follower) be taken under the God or Buddha in that spiritual path.

It is when following a teaching a righteous way that protection will occur (the teaching protect them to not do wrong deeds)

 

[Notanumber]

No, if they do leave the Islamic belief they should not be punished. But what will happen is that Allah does not then give them help in life as Allah would do if they were true Muslims (nonviolent) Ifthey choose to go to an other spiritual path they will then (when they become true follower) be taken under the God or Buddha in that spiritual path.

It is when following a teaching a righteous way that protection will occur (the teaching protect them to not do wrong deeds)

Unfortunately, for those that would like to leave, the teachings of Islam are not in agreement with you.

 

[Raymann]

When it comes to the verses in the video.
What people do not seem to understand is that it is not literally killing that is meant,

How presumptuous of you. What makes you believe that you understand English better than any of us. If we interpret the same verse in different ways then maybe the Quran is not such a perfect book as it presumes to be.

Except for in a war, then Muslims are allowed to use killing to defend them self.
(and yes Mohammad did come from a warrior family, )

It has been proven already that Muslims in the past didn't attack only when attacked, That has been proven false.

The person in the video only looks at the Wrongdoings that are written about in the Quran. but if he had read it page by page he would have found a lot of very good moral verses too.

True, but he is not interested in the good verses because he is trying to prove that there are verses that ISIS uses to kill infidels and commit atrocities.

Example with the slaves, even it does say the things he quoted, does that mean every Muslim HAS to follow it? No, it does not.

Yes, of course, every Muslim is supposed to follow it. It is the word of God, isn't it?
That's what's wrong with your approach, you think every Muslim should decide and follow what they consider right but that's not what Islam teaches. Either you follow the scriptures and you are a real Muslim or you disobey them and you are not a real Muslim. Very simple.

But the most important you seem to forget EVERY time. is the person who is Muslim. They are free to choose if they want to do good or bad deeds. And 99% of all Muslims are good.

What you seem to forget is that this thread is about "the dangerous Muslims" and not the peaceful ones.
We all know the peaceful one outnumber the violent ones but the violent ones are the ones that lead the way.

 

[Spirit of Light]

How presumptuous of you. What makes you believe that you understand English better than any of us. If we interpret the same verse in different ways then maybe the Quran is not such a perfect book as it presumes to be.
It has been proven already that Muslims in the past didn't attack only when attacked, That has been proven false.
True, but he is not interested in the good verses because he is trying to prove that there are verses that ISIS uses to kill infidels and commit atrocities.
Yes, of course, every Muslim is supposed to follow it. It is the word of God, isn't it?
That's what's wrong with your approach, you think every Muslim should decide and follow what they consider right but that's not what Islam teaches. Either you follow the scriptures and you are a real Muslim or you disobey them and you are not a real Muslim. Very simple.
What you seem to forget is that this thread is about "the dangerous Muslims" and not the peaceful ones.
We all know the peaceful one outnumber the violent ones but the violent ones are the ones that lead the way.

As a nonmuslim myself, it would be better to have an expert on the Quran to answer, but since I have been in a spiritual journey for most of my life (from age 15 now i am 41), not only as Buddhist, I have read a lot, spoken to people within Muslim communities, asked them hundreds of questions about the Quran. And when one put spiritual growth above the rest of the life, some inner wisdom of what is a right way and a wrong way do arise., this means that when someone who has studied many thousands of hours of spiritual books, scriptures and so on, sees a scripture from a spiritual path (Islam) one can understand the true meaning behind the words.

And in this case about the Quran, when we look at the killing of those who leave Islam, this is in fact not something a Muslim should do. What it is more lightly to mean is that when someone does leave Islam. this person becomes "like dead" to them. not physical death but a spiritual one. But a lot of Muslims do take a more literary way of understanding the teaching.

One other thing we must remember is that a lot of Muslims to recite the Quran but do not know the meaning of the words because many do not speak or read Arabic. (it does help when translations do come) But those guys in ISIS does not allow people to use translations because then they can indoctrinate what every they want in the non-arabic warriors

I have stated before and can do it again. Those guys in ISIS is NOT true Muslims and should not be destroying Islam the way they do today, we non-Muslims should not see them as Muslims at all. They are evil beings who use Islam as a shield to cover their own evilness.

 

[Raymann]

I have read a lot, spoken to people within Muslim communities, asked them hundreds of questions about the Quran. And when one put spiritual growth above the rest of the life, some inner wisdom of what is a right way and a wrong way do arise.

So you are indoctrinated now, is that it?
No matter what the scriptures say you just see what you want to see. We cannot have an intelligent discussion that way.
I've been quoting the Quran itself and showing you the Video where David Wood quoted the Quran but your "inner wisdom" refuses to see the truth.

I have stated before and can do it again. Those guys in ISIS is NOT true Muslims and should not be destroying Islam the way they do today, we non-Muslims should not see them as Muslims at all. They are evil beings who use Islam as a shield to cover their own evilness.

They claim themselves being Muslims so we have to take their word for it. They pray 5 times a day and memorize the Quran, that's a Muslim to me. We cannot use double standards which is what you're doing.

 

[sooda]

So you are indoctrinated now, is that it?
No matter what the scriptures say you just see what you want to see. We cannot have an intelligent discussion that way.
I've been quoting the Quran itself and showing you the Video where David Wood quoted the Quran but your "inner wisdom" refuses to see the truth.
They claim themselves being Muslims so we have to take their word for it. They pray 5 times a day and memorize the Quran, that's a Muslim to me. We cannot use double standards which is what you're doing.

David Wood is a convicted felon.

 

[Spirit of Light]

So you are indoctrinated now, is that it?
No matter what the scriptures say you just see what you want to see. We cannot have an intelligent discussion that way.
I've been quoting the Quran itself and showing you the Video where David Wood quoted the Quran but your "inner wisdom" refuses to see the truth.
They claim themselves being Muslims so we have to take their word for it. They pray 5 times a day and memorize the Quran, that's a Muslim to me. We cannot use double standards which is what you're doing.

No, I am not indoctrinated, everything I say comes from the study of religious texts, but I do not need to quote different parts or follow teaching as a slave.
It is easy to dismiss them as Muslims because Muslims should do good in the world, not harm others (inner spiritual journey), Islam, as every other religion is a journey that goes on within, to find the truth from within each one of us.
If you ask a "muslim" who are or has been a terrorist about what the verses in the Quran actually means, they can not answer, and they get mad, because all they can is to recite what is written, but they have not grasped the truth in the teaching. How do i know? Because i spoken to one of them in a mosque at one time.

To slaughter people does not send you to heaven.
I focus on the good in religions Not what can be used to harm others.

 

[Notanumber]

Can a leopard change its spots?

 

[Raymann]

I do not need to quote different parts or follow teaching as a slave.

That's the difference between you and Muslims, they are supposed to follow the teachings like slaves.

It is easy to dismiss them as Muslims (ISIS) because Muslims should do good in the world, not harm others (inner spiritual journey),

Stop making up your own definitions of a religion you know very little. Can you quote from the Quran where does it say Islam should do good in the world regardless of religious beliefs?
I dare you to find it the scriptures
No BS this time, only Islamic scriptures accepted as credible answers.

If you ask a "muslim" who are or has been a terrorist about what the verses in the Quran actually means, they can not answer, and they get mad, because all they can is to recite what is written, but they have not grasped the truth in the teaching. How do i know? Because i spoken to one of them in a mosque at one time.

That's exactly what I said. Muslims need to have an Iman to teach them Islam but that is not a requirement in today day as all the resources are available online.

Here is a man who used to be Muslim and pretty much a fanatic Islamist. He tried to convince David Wood that Islam was the real religion. Both started analyzing and comparing both religions with an open mind and guess what they found out?
Nabeel Qureshi // Why I stopped believing Islam is a religion of peace

 

[Ancient Soul]

What facts? You didn't state any facts.
You only have cheap second-hand conspiracy theories as your facts.
I ask you again:
What countries did the US invade that cause 9/11?
Be specific.
We don't need to blame Muslims for terrorism, they admit themselves they're doing it for Allah and based on the principles taught in the Quran.

This is what is taught in many Mosques (see video) to moderate Muslims, imagine what it is taught by extremist Imams:
Pay attention:

Oh, I see!

I presented facts and you totally ignore them and now fly into a bigoted rage while throwing out a full blown hate speech. Well done! (Sarcasm.)

Now again, do try to DIRECTLY answer my question you totally avoided:

"Now of all the mass shootings, vandalism and threats against various religions, hate movements, etc, the vast majority of which is done by white people, and I don't recall ANY of the Muslims being behind any of it, so WHY do you continue to hate ALL Muslims and falsely claim that they are "dangerous"? Some real facts this time would be necessary."

 

[sooda]

I am condemning the Islamic ideology as I would condemn any other ideology that preaches haltered of others.

Then check yourself.

 

[Raymann]

I presented facts and you totally ignore them

No, you didn't present ANY FACTS AT ALL.

Now again, do try to DIRECTLY answer my question you totally avoided:

Ok, let's do it.

Now of all the mass shootings, vandalism and threats against various religions, hate movements, etc, the vast majority of which is done by white people, and I don't recall ANY of the Muslims being behind any of it

Here you totally lost me.
What shootings, vandalism, etc, etc, etc, are you talking about?
Be specific, back up your facts with links.

Now here comes your BIG QUESTION:

WHY do you continue to hate ALL Muslims and falsely claim that they are "dangerous"?

First of all, I don't hate any Muslims, is that clear?, "I DON'T HATE MUSLIMS, I HATE VIOLENCE".

YOU WANT FACTS OF MUSLIMS VIOLENCE?

Ok, here we go:

List of Killings in the Name of Islam: 2019


Your turn, prove all that is wrong.